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Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler, you honestly believe that they are “protesting the anthem”? You honestly believe that it is the ANTHEM that they are mad at??? Kapernick and others have made it clear from the start that they are protesting police brutality. And yet you (and others) persist in insisting that they are protesting the anthem. It’s amazing.

I know that now you’re going to say that the anthem isn’t the place to protest. That is a different argument. So just to be clear, one more time, on topic, Warbler, do you actually believe that they are “protesting the anthem”?

You can say they are not protesting the Anthem, that they are protesting police brutality. I say they are protesting police brutality via protesting the Anthem. Whatever you want to call it, I find it disrespectful.

Sorry, no, that’s not how words work. Strange, with how often you’ve brought up dictionary definitions, I’d have figured you’re the type of person to care about that sort of thing.

Fine, they are disrespecting the Anthem to protest police brutality.

At least that has one foot in reality.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

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Warbler said:

Whatever. I am done talking about this with. Talking and debating with you an aggravating, frustrating, and all around unpleasant experience and I am tired of you vitriol and insults and hatred and false judgments about me, a person you do not know. This is finished. And you harass me to try to get me to continue this conversation with you, as you have tried to do in the past, I will go to the moderators. I ask that you leave me alone.

Hang on a minute, I missed this last part. What do you mean “got to the moderators”? You think I’m not allowed to post things in response to you? Since when is that against the rules? Give me a break. No one’s harassing you.

Jay said:

  1. Do not harass other members, either publicly or via PM. Any unwanted contact after a request to stay away will be considered harassment.

Responding to things on a public forum is not harassment. You don’t get to say things to me and then demand that I don’t respond to those things.

Jay said:

  1. Do not harass other members, either publicly or via PM. Any unwanted contact after a request to stay away will be considered harassment.

the rule says do not harass other members. It says either publicly or via PM. It says any unwanted contact after a request to stay away will be considered harassment. I have given you a request to say away from me.

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‘Nike sales surge 31% in days after Colin Kaepernick ad unveiled, analyst says’…

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/08/colin-kaepernick-nike-ad-sales-up

^ taken from the above article:-

'In July, in an open letter to league owners, the NBA great and Guardian sports columnist Kareem Abdul Jabbar wrote: “It’s been two years since Colin Kaepernick first took a knee to protest systemic racial injustice, especially police brutality, against people of color.

“The worst thing about that isn’t that two years later we’re still debating whether players have the right to protest, it’s that not much has changed regarding what Kaepernick was protesting.”’
 

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oojason said:

‘Nike sales surge 31% in days after Colin Kaepernick ad unveiled, analyst says’…

I am not surprised.

“The worst thing about that isn’t that two years later we’re still debating whether players have the right to protest,

I didn’t think we were debating that. Of course they have the right to protest(which includes during the Anthem).

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Warbler said:

oojason said:

‘Nike sales surge 31% in days after Colin Kaepernick ad unveiled, analyst says’…

I am not surprised.

“The worst thing about that isn’t that two years later we’re still debating whether players have the right to protest,

I didn’t think we were debating that. Of course they have the to protest(which includes during the Anthem).

Did you make the same mistake again? 😛

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suspiciouscoffee said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

‘Nike sales surge 31% in days after Colin Kaepernick ad unveiled, analyst says’…

I am not surprised.

“The worst thing about that isn’t that two years later we’re still debating whether players have the right to protest,

I didn’t think we were debating that. Of course they have the to protest(which includes during the Anthem).

Did you make the same mistake again? 😛

Yes I did.

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Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

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Warbler said:

Whatever. I am done talking about this with. Talking and debating with you an aggravating, frustrating, and all around unpleasant experience and I am tired of you vitriol and insults and hatred and false judgments about me, a person you do not know. This is finished. And you harass me to try to get me to continue this conversation with you, as you have tried to do in the past, I will go to the moderators. I ask that you leave me alone.

Hang on a minute, I missed this last part. What do you mean “got to the moderators”? You think I’m not allowed to post things in response to you? Since when is that against the rules? Give me a break. No one’s harassing you.

Jay said:

  1. Do not harass other members, either publicly or via PM. Any unwanted contact after a request to stay away will be considered harassment.

Responding to things on a public forum is not harassment. You don’t get to say things to me and then demand that I don’t respond to those things.

Jay said:

  1. Do not harass other members, either publicly or via PM. Any unwanted contact after a request to stay away will be considered harassment.

the rule says do not harass other members. It says either publicly or via PM. It says any unwanted contact after a request to stay away will be considered harassment. I have given you a request to say away from me.

Whatever. If I see something that you say that I feel the need to comment on, I’ll do it. I’ve never once engaged in any personal conversation with you. All I do is respond to the things you post. If responding to the content of someone’s post breaks that rule then I honestly think I’ll just have to be banned, but I don’t think that any sane moderator would think that. I’ll admit I’ve been pretty intense in my recent responses to Warbler, and I’d even be willing to tone it down a bit if that’s what the admin and moderators want, but I’m not going to just never respond to the content of a Warbler post again purely because he demands it. That makes no sense to me.

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You have made disparaging remarks about my character, you have made untrue judgments and false assumptions. Your posts crossed the line and I have had enough of it.

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Am I now in a comedy thread or ‘try to be the biggest hypocrite on the site’ thread?

One moment I was in the Politics thread - then was somehow transported to a comedy or hypocrite thread…

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Warbler said:

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What I’ll never understand about this debate is that kneeling is literally a form of respect.

Not when it is done during the Nation Anthem which is a clear violation of the proper protocol.

Proper protocol my ass. The same people complaining the loudest are the ones who have the American flag on their underwear.

I don’t have the flag on my underwear.

I never said you did. I’m sure you follow the rules to the letter.

Following protocol and showing respect aren’t necessarily the same thing.

When the rules say you should stand at attention and you kneel, I have having hard time seeing how that is not disrespectful.

What you described is them being disrespectful to the rules. Not disrespectful to the flag/what it stands for (not that I’d have a problem if they did, but they aren’t so). Unless you think it stands for “the rules”…

Anyway following the rules has no direct correlation with actual respect. They’re on different planes.

If you can’t see that kneeling when it is clear you are supposed to stand is disrespectful, that protesting the Nation Anthem is disrespectful, I don’t know what else to say to you.

They’re not protesting the anthem.

In your opinion.

It’s not an opinion. Their target of protest is police brutality, not the anthem.

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Ok since nobody has any venom towards me I’ll just say that Donald Trump allegedly raped a 13 year old girl in 1994. https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-26b6-dda3-afd8-b6fe46f40000

Also for those who keep ragging on about your rights to own guns but hate it when football players kneel should look at the first amendment.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

They have their rights to protest. People have been protesting for years. During Charleston the most that we got out of the president was that some people there were good and some people there were bad. But for the football players he’s going out of his way to suck up to the “patriots” of this country (who probably just said the Pledge of Allegiance and never thought about what it meant) and complain about how they “disrespect the national anthem”.

First of all, Mr President- You don’t even know the words to the National Anthem.

The protests are about police brutality, if it was about the anthem they would say it. They have no issue with the anthem, its the fact that innocent minorities are being targeted by the police and the public is turning a blind eye to it.

So you can go on about how they aren’t patriots because they kneel for the national anthem. You can keep yelling about how anything bad said about the President is fake. You can keep waving your confederate flags and wearing your swastika arm-bands- But just leave this discussion with one thing- They don’t kneel because they disrespect the anthem, they are kneeling because they respect it. Because America is supposed to be the land of the free, but instead its become a place where hate still thrives by way of people whose hearts are filled with spite and anger. Where anyone with a hunting license can drive up to a Pre-School and open fire. Is this the America you love? Is this great?

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Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler, you honestly believe that they are “protesting the anthem”? You honestly believe that it is the ANTHEM that they are mad at??? Kapernick and others have made it clear from the start that they are protesting police brutality. And yet you (and others) persist in insisting that they are protesting the anthem. It’s amazing.

I know that now you’re going to say that the anthem isn’t the place to protest. That is a different argument. So just to be clear, one more time, on topic, Warbler, do you actually believe that they are “protesting the anthem”?

You can say they are not protesting the Anthem, that they are protesting police brutality. I say they are protesting police brutality via protesting the Anthem. Whatever you want to call it, I find it disrespectful.

Sorry, no, that’s not how words work. Strange, with how often you’ve brought up dictionary definitions, I’d have figured you’re the type of person to care about that sort of thing.

Fine, they are disrespecting the Anthem to protest police brutality.

Ok, that’s a more reasoned stance.

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Lukeade815 said:

Ok since nobody has any venom towards me I’ll just say that Donald Trump allegedly raped a 13 year old girl in 1994. https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-26b6-dda3-afd8-b6fe46f40000

Also for those who keep ragging on about your rights to own guns but hate it when football players kneel should look at the first amendment.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

They have their rights to protest. People have been protesting for years. During Charleston the most that we got out of the president was that some people there were good and some people there were bad. But for the football players he’s going out of his way to suck up to the “patriots” of this country (who probably just said the Pledge of Allegiance and never thought about what it meant) and complain about how they “disrespect the national anthem”.

First of all, Mr President- You don’t even know the words to the National Anthem.

The protests are about police brutality, if it was about the anthem they would say it. They have no issue with the anthem, its the fact that innocent minorities are being targeted by the police and the public is turning a blind eye to it.

So you can go on about how they aren’t patriots because they kneel for the national anthem. You can keep yelling about how anything bad said about the President is fake. You can keep waving your confederate flags and wearing your swastika arm-bands- But just leave this discussion with one thing- They don’t kneel because they disrespect the anthem, they are kneeling because they respect iit. Because America is supposed to be the land of the free, but instead its become a place where hate still thrives by way of people whose hearts are filled with spite and anger. Where anyone with a hunting license can drive up to a Pre-School and open fire. Is this the America you love? Is this great?

For the 1 billionth time, I agree 100% that players have the right protest via kneeling during the Anthem. Also I don’t rag on about gun rights. I am pro-gun control. I also can’t stand Trump and I never voted for him and never will.

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oojason said:

Am I now in a comedy thread or ‘try to be the biggest hypocrite on the site’ thread?

One moment I was in the Politics thread - then was somehow transported to a comedy or hypocrite thread…

Please explain.

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Warbler said:

You have made disparaging remarks about my character, you have made untrue judgments and false assumptions. Your posts crossed the line and I have had enough of it.

Nope. No I didn’t. I just said you weren’t a patriot and that you were wrong. If you can’t take that then this is the wrong thread for you.

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Warbler said:

oojason said:

Am I now in a comedy thread or ‘try to be the biggest hypocrite on the site’ thread?

One moment I was in the Politics thread - then was somehow transported to a comedy or hypocrite thread…

Please explain.

What would be the point?

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moviefreakedmind said:

Honestly I think you’re the one disrespecting the country. You’re one of these people that’s opposed to any kind of protest that ruffles people’s feathers.

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I actually do respect the ideals of America. I think that the flag worship you and President Trump demand is antithetical to those ideals.

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It actually shows your ignorance of history and the man you respect. Here’s what MLK had to say about folks like you: " I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” " - Letter from the Birmingham Jail, 1963.

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In this case you are. It’s actually a little worse. You’re more devoted to etiquette than to justice. At least people who care more about order than justice value something more tangible than etiquette.

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Nope, that’s nationalistic not patriotic.

moviefreakedmind said:

You are approaching this so simplistically that I honestly feel like I’m talking to an eight-year-old,

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Your position on this is so un-American that it makes me livid and nauseous.

moviefreakedmind said:

I’ll try to illustrate how repugnant your statement is. You know that crying little girl and the crying little boy that you threw out in front of yourself as a human shield when you couldn’t answer my questions?

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Imagine if their dads who died while serving the country supported these anthem protests. Imagine admitting to those kids that even though their loved ones died while serving the country (which is more than your ass has ever done), you respect them less because they didn’t oppose something that you consider to be disrespectful. Imagine that. You aren’t a patriot. Your outrage isn’t about veterans.

moviefreakedmind said: You’re one of these flag-wavers that cares more about tradition and arbitrary rituals than you care about the actual people that make up this country.

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your stance on this is unAmerican to the core

moviefreakedmind said:

Fuck your phony patriotism.

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Again, fuck your phony patriotism. Please never pretend that your outrage has anything to do with the soldiers, because you’re not fooling anyone.

I post these quotes as a record for the mods of the kinds of things that I am tired of. Some of the above are rude/insulting. Others are false accusations and false assumptions. They are what I meant when I said I that get grief for my position. These things go beyond legit debate. These are what I said I was tired of and what I feel cross the line.

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Whatever, I give up. Most of those out-of-context posts are totally fair and none of them are harassment, they’re attacks on your political position made during a heated argument. If that’s a bannable offense then I’ll be banned soon and you can live happily until tomorrow when another user “harasses” you by engaging you in debate and then you’ll go off again about how mistreated and aggrieved you are. Good day.

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Warbler said:
They are what I am meant what I said I that get grief for my position.

WHAT?

And why did you split my post about the killed-in-action soldiers into several parts? What do you gain by that other than to make my posts look more inflammatory than they were.

NOW: Good day.

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You know what this argument about anthem-kneelers reminds me of?

That scene in Monty Python’s Life of Brian, where the crowd is stoning someone for saying the name ‘Jehovah’, and then the guy in charge of the stoning accidentally says ‘Jehovah’ himself, and they all turn on him and start stoning him too.

The misplaced outrage and slavish devotion to symbols of certain people reminds me very much of those in that crowd. Seriously: don’t be the people in that crowd.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Whatever, I give up. Most of those out-of-context posts are totally fair and none of them are harassment, they’re attacks on your political position made during a heated argument. If that’s a bannable offense then I’ll be banned soon and you can live happily until tomorrow when another user “harasses” you by engaging you in debate and then you’ll go off again about how mistreated and aggrieved you are. Good day.

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Warbler said:
They are what I am meant what I said I that get grief for my position.

WHAT?

I was referencing this post of mine:

Warbler said:

I seriously don’t know why I get so much grief for my stance. I am simply patriotic. I don’t like people being disrespectful to the National Anthem. I agree they have the Constitutional and legal right to protest and kneel during the National Anthem. But that doesn’t mean I have to agree with what they do. I have a right to not like their forum of protest and the right to not support it by not buying products from companies that put anthem protesters in their ads.

But I did make a couple of typos which I have since corrected.

And why did you split my post about the killed-in-action soldiers into several parts? What do you gain by that other than to make my posts look more inflammatory than they were.

I took quotes from that post and others you made to show times when I think you crossed the line.

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For someone who claims to have so many problems with the moderation of this site, you sure do invoke the mods a lot. You should start your own Star Wars forum and ban everyone who creates an account. That’s the beauty of the free market.

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hairy_hen said:

You know what this argument about anthem-kneelers reminds me of?

That scene in Monty Python’s Life of Brian, where the crowd is stoning someone for saying the name ‘Jehovah’, and then the guy in charge of the stoning accidentally says ‘Jehovah’ himself, and they all turn on him and start stoning him too.

The misplaced outrage and slavish devotion to symbols of certain people reminds me very much of those in that crowd. Seriously: don’t be the people in that crowd.

whatever.

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moviefreakedmind said:

For someone who claims to have so many problems with the moderation of this site, you sure do invoke the mods a lot. You should start your own Star Wars forum and ban everyone who creates an account. That’s the beauty of the free market.

Go fuck yourself. If I get banned for that, I get banned.

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The thing is, Warb did start his own forum at some point.

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moviefreakedmind said:

For someone who claims to have so many problems with the moderation of this site, you sure do invoke the mods a lot. You should start your own Star Wars forum and ban everyone who creates an account. That’s the beauty of the free market.

Go fuck yourself. If I get banned for that, I get banned.

What the hell, man.