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*shrugs*
The blue elephant in the room.
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Pretty pointless now.
We’ve been telling him that for years but he keeps doing it anyway. And then tells us he did it.
I don’t know what is so bad. I make a typo and then I correct it. What is so horrible about that?
Its pointless, that’s the point.
Why is it pointless?
There’s no point correcting a typo once it’s been seen by a large number of people and entered into their collective consciousness.
We are Borg.
Fixed.
I read this post.
I … read … your … post.
*reading sound*
I READ IT UP!
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Pretty pointless now.
We’ve been telling him that for years but he keeps doing it anyway. And then tells us he did it.
I don’t know what is so bad. I make a typo and then I correct it. What is so horrible about that?
Its pointless, that’s the point.
Why is it pointless?
There’s no point correcting a typo once it’s been seen by a large number of people and entered into their collective consciousness.
We are Borg.
Fixed.
I wanted to say it that way but that’s not what the internet says.
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It seems like most of the posts lately are just posting about posting. Not much about politics. That said, I have to admit that “it’s pointless, that’s the point” was pretty good.
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I saw Trump’s performance at NATO today, and it looked promising (if what was said is true), but it seems it did nothing productive. So to call it a performance is accurate.
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It’s not true and it’s not promising. The only country to benefit from Trump’s erratic and delusional behavior at the NATO conference is Russia, which wants a weaker and less organized NATO. The United States doing things to benefit Russia is to be expected these days.
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God Dammit America.
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God Dammit America.
I want to actually read the amendment to the referenced bill, because I want to approach this with a balanced opinion, but this article doesn’t cite it. The article doesn’t at all say what bill it was.
Now, because I live in Oklahoma, I clicked on the link in the article that mentioned Oklahoma passing a law that “let welfare agencies discriminate against same-sex couples who want to foster or adopt children.” The linked-to article then immediately starts out with “Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin has signed into law a bill allowing faith-based adoption and foster care agencies, even those with state contracts, to turn away prospective parents who pose a conflict with their religious beliefs.”
and… Yes? So? They’re faith-based organizations who hold to certain beliefs, and they want to be selective with regard to parents based on certain principles they hold to.
Well okay then. Moving on.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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God Dammit America.
I want to actually read the amendment to the referenced bill, because I want to approach this with a balanced opinion, but this article doesn’t cite it.
Now, because I live in Oklahoma, I clicked on the link in the article that mentioned Oklahoma passing a law that “let welfare agencies discriminate against same-sex couples who want to foster or adopt children.” The linked-to article then immediately starts out with “Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin has signed into law a bill allowing faith-based adoption and foster care agencies, even those with state contracts, to turn away prospective parents who pose a conflict with their religious beliefs.”
and… Yes? So? They’re faith-based organizations who hold to certain beliefs, and they want to be selective with regard to parents based on certain principles they hold to.
Well okay then. Moving on.
I think this is what you want. I agree the website should’ve provided it, but it’s not that hard to find.
Why should adoption agencies be run by the church at all, actually? They’re providing a service that to me should be part of the government, part of the separation of church and state. So many other people have to grunt and put away their opinions when they go to their jobs; why can’t religious people put away their religion long enough to provide a service?
That said, let me turn this around, so you may better see my perspective: Why should I be denied the right to adopt, the right to be a parent, because of something that doesn’t interfere with them?
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God Dammit America.
I want to actually read the amendment to the referenced bill, because I want to approach this with a balanced opinion, but this article doesn’t cite it. The article doesn’t at all say what bill it was.
Now, because I live in Oklahoma, I clicked on the link in the article that mentioned Oklahoma passing a law that “let welfare agencies discriminate against same-sex couples who want to foster or adopt children.” The linked-to article then immediately starts out with “Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin has signed into law a bill allowing faith-based adoption and foster care agencies, even those with state contracts, to turn away prospective parents who pose a conflict with their religious beliefs.”
and… Yes? So? They’re faith-based organizations who hold to certain beliefs, and they want to be selective with regard to parents based on certain principles they hold to.
Well okay then. Moving on.
Then they shouldn’t get state contracts.
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God Dammit America.
I want to actually read the amendment to the referenced bill, because I want to approach this with a balanced opinion, but this article doesn’t cite it. The article doesn’t at all say what bill it was.
Now, because I live in Oklahoma, I clicked on the link in the article that mentioned Oklahoma passing a law that “let welfare agencies discriminate against same-sex couples who want to foster or adopt children.” The linked-to article then immediately starts out with “Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin has signed into law a bill allowing faith-based adoption and foster care agencies, even those with state contracts, to turn away prospective parents who pose a conflict with their religious beliefs.”
and… Yes? So? They’re faith-based organizations who hold to certain beliefs, and they want to be selective with regard to parents based on certain principles they hold to.
Well okay then. Moving on.
Then they shouldn’t get state contracts.
Do they? Maybe they shouldn’t.
Why should I be denied the right to adopt, the right to be a parent, because of something that doesn’t interfere with them?
You shouldn’t, if it doesn’t, but they think it does.
For myself, were I in the position, I would not deny you. But I can see the position of people in these organizations who perceive homosexuality as a harmful lifestyle choice. People often compare it to racism, but I don’t really agree with that comparison. As though all discriminatory activity, or selectivity, is created equal.
I do agree that love is love; that people who judge do so out of ignorance of the facts and of the teachings of their own faith; and that even if homosexuality is a sin, it is no more sinful than a myriad of other things people do on a daily basis. And I agree that government support should be called into question.
But I don’t believe a baker should be required to bake a wedding cake for someone if he doesn’t want to do it. Doesn’t matter why he doesn’t want to, but if he doesn’t then he shouldn’t have to. If he faces public backlash for it then so be it. He could face backlash for baking bad cake as easily as baking no cake. JEDIT: At the same time, I think respect should also be a thing. The person providing said service should be able to respectfully decline, and the person denied the service should respect their choice. Either party getting pissy about it is juvenile.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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the problem here is that this
God Dammit America.
I want to actually read the amendment to the referenced bill, because I want to approach this with a balanced opinion, but this article doesn’t cite it. The article doesn’t at all say what bill it was.
Now, because I live in Oklahoma, I clicked on the link in the article that mentioned Oklahoma passing a law that “let welfare agencies discriminate against same-sex couples who want to foster or adopt children.” The linked-to article then immediately starts out with “Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin has signed into law a bill allowing faith-based adoption and foster care agencies, even those with state contracts, to turn away prospective parents who pose a conflict with their religious beliefs.”
and… Yes? So? They’re faith-based organizations who hold to certain beliefs, and they want to be selective with regard to parents based on certain principles they hold to.
Well okay then. Moving on.
Then they shouldn’t get state contracts.
Why should I be denied the right to adopt, the right to be a parent, because of something that doesn’t interfere with them?
people in these organizations who perceive homosexuality as a harmful lifestyle choice.
is fucking insane
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flame,
Do you think private adoptions should be unlawful? Do you think parents shouldn’t be able to discriminate in who they give their baby to?
why can’t religious people put away their religion long enough to provide a service?
Because they’re exercising their religiois freedom. Various community services and help provided to people emanates from religious belief.
The blue elephant in the room.
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the problem here is that this
people in these organizations who perceive homosexuality as a harmful lifestyle choice.
is fucking insane
Perhaps, but if they feel it’s a lifestyle that is harmful to children, they’re not really likely to let people who live that lifestyle adopt children from their agency.
I’m not saying it’s fair or that I share the same perception. I’m saying I can, on its face, see the validity of such a perception.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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‘12 Russian intelligence officers indicted by US for hacking Democrats emails in 2016 election’…
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‘Russians indicted over US election hack’:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44825345
In other news…
‘Aerial view of London anti-Trump protest’:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-44824858/aerial-view-of-london-anti-trump-protest
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‘Trump UK Visit: More Than 100,000 People Reportedly Attend Protests Against US President – Live Updates’:-
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‘Anti-Trump protests in the UK – in pictures’:-
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/gallery/2018/jul/13/anti-trump-protests-in-the-uk-in-pictures
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‘Trump London protests - LIVE: President immediately commits faux pas after meeting Queen as ‘100,000’ vent rage against US leader at march’:-
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The nativity scene - or crèche as we say in America, although perhaps the British meaning is applicable - with the Trumps and the Queen was interesting.
The blue elephant in the room.
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^ Given London property prices… worth about £2m that tent, mate. Estate agents will probably market it as a ‘large open-plan mobile property’ 😉
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or crèche as we say in America
We do? I don’t say that.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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or crèche as we say in America
We do? I don’t say that.
HI AMERICA
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or crèche as we say in America
We do? I don’t say that.
Google:
crèche
kreSH/Submit
noun
noun: crèche; plural noun: crèches
1.
NORTH AMERICAN
a model or tableau representing the scene of Jesus Christ’s birth, displayed in homes or public places at Christmas.
2.
BRITISH
a nursery where babies and young children are cared for during the working day.
We also say “crayfish” - or at least right-thinking Americans do.
The blue elephant in the room.
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flame,
Do you think private adoptions should be unlawful? Do you think parents shouldn’t be able to discriminate in who they give their baby to?
We’re talking about a state funded, public service. Private adoptions are another can of worms. Nevermind that the reason at least a portion of the kids in these services to begin with are there because their parents lost said legal custody.
why can’t religious people put away their religion long enough to provide a service?
Because they’re exercising their religiois freedom. Various community services and help provided to people emanates from religious belief.
I’m sorry I think religious freedom should not trump the rights of others to be able to raise loving families of their own. I’m sorry for all these oppressed Christians who have to offer services to people they think go against their religion. I’m sorry I think I deserve the same respect and dignity as everyone else because I am fundamentally human like the rest of you.
Religious freedom is nonsense. Every day we have to deal with people we disagree with. In every other case we tell the person to grin and bear it. Why should you get a free pass in this case because a book tells you not to be gay? The same book also speaks of dietary restrictions and of days of required fasting and prayer, but we don’t judge when someone doesn’t follow them.
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I’ve literally never heard creche in my life. It’s always been described as a nativity scene in every context I’ve ever known.
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or crèche as we say in America
We do? I don’t say that.
Google:
crèche
kreSH/Submit
noun
noun: crèche; plural noun: crèches
1.
NORTH AMERICAN
a model or tableau representing the scene of Jesus Christ’s birth, displayed in homes or public places at Christmas.
2.
BRITISH
a nursery where babies and young children are cared for during the working day.We also say “crayfish” - or at least right-thinking Americans do.
America is a big enough place that to say “Americans call soft drinks ‘pop’” ignores the rest of the country that calls it “coke” or “soda”. So I don’t feel bad having heard the word crayfish but more readily identifying them with the words crawfish or crawdad.
But in any case, I say “nativity scene”.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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Religious freedom is nonsense.
It’s generally accepted as given that the reason why early European colonists moved here was to pursue religious freedom, and that therefore it is one of the basic tenets the country is founded on. People in the modern age still use that as reasoning that the religious freedom of one can trump the civil rights of another, at least in America.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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flame,
Do you think private adoptions should be unlawful? Do you think parents shouldn’t be able to discriminate in who they give their baby to?
We’re talking about a state funded, public service. Private adoptions are another can of worms. Nevermind that the reason at least a portion of the kids in these services to begin with are there because their parents lost said legal custody.
Curious what you think of that other can of worms.
Like chyron said, maybe they shouldn’t have licenses but apparently they fill an important role.
why can’t religious people put away their religion long enough to provide a service?
Because they’re exercising their religiois freedom. Various community services and help provided to people emanates from religious belief.
I’m sorry I think religious freedom should not trump the rights of others to be able to raise loving families of their own.
Generally it doesn’t. State and other secular agencies as well as private adoptions are all avenues open to anyone.
I’m sorry for all these oppressed Christians who have to offer services to people they think go against their religion.
There are limits but free exercise of religion means people are going to have the right to do things that deeply offend others who think differently. It’s inevitable.
I’m sorry I think I deserve the same respect and dignity as everyone else because I am fundamentally human like the rest of you.
The question is whether we can force everyone to behave as we would like.
Religious freedom is nonsense.
This is the crux (punintended) of your argument.
Every day we have to deal with people we disagree with. In every other case we tell the person to grin and bear it.
This is an argument either side might make.
Why should you get a free pass in this case because a book tells you not to be gay? The same book also speaks of dietary restrictions and of days of required fasting and prayer, but we don’t judge when someone doesn’t follow them.
People don’t need to be consistent to be sincere, at least as far as government limiting religious freedom is concerned.
The blue elephant in the room.