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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44737293
London Mayor Sadiq Khan has granted permission for a giant inflatable figure depicting Mr Trump as a baby to fly over Westminster for two hours on the second day of the president’s visit.
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That was a totally fucking reasonable and I want credit for it.
Ok.
That’s another you do. You’ll accuse someone of being ridiculous or absurd, and then disregard their explanation when they make clear that they aren’t. It pisses me off and it’s a great of why discussion is ultimately a waste of time.
I just don’t know why it bothers you so much when I don’t give you credit for some victory you think you’ve claimed. I seriously don’t care either way. Usually I don’t even remember what the point was because it’s devolved into you just complaining that I’m not reacting to your posts the way you want me to.
You dishonestly accused of me saying I believed that white men weren’t a majority in comedy and then when I explained clearly that that post was full of shit you just ignored it. I don’t know. I just don’t like being fucked with by people.
The Person in Question
I’m not aware that I’ve done that but I don’t really care enough to go back through the posts and try to figure it out. But I seem to recall asking a question, not “dishonestly accusing you” of something.
But I also know you love hyperbole and getting outraged at perceived slights.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44737293
London Mayor Sadiq Khan has granted permission for a giant inflatable figure depicting Mr Trump as a baby to fly over Westminster for two hours on the second day of the president’s visit.
Hahaha now that is quality content.
Why do I try with you people?
The Person in Question
Kinda my point? You’re seeing dishonesty and attacks and a lack of whatever you’re looking for, and it’s not there. So why keep trying to look for it?
To be fair, I hope Trump nominates a woman to the Supreme Court on Monday. However I think it will be Raymond Kethledge.
Who cares if the fascist waste of life that he nominates is male or female?
Diverse fascism seem more legit.
Non-sarcastically, it counters the annoying narrative about mostly white male majority vs diverse minority on the Court.
That’s the first I’m hearing of that narrative.
If there is no longer a conservative justice willing to join with the liberals on the biggest social issues, then the white male majority narrative can take hold.
The blue elephant in the room.
To be fair, I hope Trump nominates a woman to the Supreme Court on Monday. However I think it will be Raymond Kethledge.
Who cares if the fascist waste of life that he nominates is male or female?
Diverse fascism seem more legit.
Non-sarcastically, it counters the annoying narrative about mostly white male majority vs diverse minority on the Court.
That’s the first I’m hearing of that narrative.
I hear about it, but not often.
Maybe the complaints about the supposed narrative are a Fox News staple or something. Sounds like something they’d run into the ground.
Why do I try with you people?
You people?!
It’s a question many of us ask every so often.
The blue elephant in the room.
To be fair, I hope Trump nominates a woman to the Supreme Court on Monday. However I think it will be Raymond Kethledge.
Who cares if the fascist waste of life that he nominates is male or female?
Diverse fascism seem more legit.
Non-sarcastically, it counters the annoying narrative about mostly white male majority vs diverse minority on the Court.
That’s the first I’m hearing of that narrative.
I hear about it, but not often.
Maybe the complaints about the supposed narrative are a Fox News staple or something. Sounds like something they’d run into the ground.
I’ve not watched Fox in years, not since Hannity was in diapers.
The blue elephant in the room.
Kinda my point? You’re seeing dishonesty and attacks and a lack of whatever you’re looking for, and it’s not there. So why keep trying to look for it?
I’m looking for it. I saw it. It’s there.
The Person in Question
To be fair, I hope Trump nominates a woman to the Supreme Court on Monday. However I think it will be Raymond Kethledge.
Who cares if the fascist waste of life that he nominates is male or female?
Diverse fascism seem more legit.
Non-sarcastically, it counters the annoying narrative about mostly white male majority vs diverse minority on the Court.
That’s the first I’m hearing of that narrative.
I hear about it, but not often.
Maybe the complaints about the supposed narrative are a Fox News staple or something. Sounds like something they’d run into the ground.
I don’t subject myself to Fox News, so I can’t answer to that.
The Person in Question
To be fair, I hope Trump nominates a woman to the Supreme Court on Monday. However I think it will be Raymond Kethledge.
Who cares if the fascist waste of life that he nominates is male or female?
Diverse fascism seem more legit.
Non-sarcastically, it counters the annoying narrative about mostly white male majority vs diverse minority on the Court.
That’s the first I’m hearing of that narrative.
I hear about it, but not often.
Maybe the complaints about the supposed narrative are a Fox News staple or something. Sounds like something they’d run into the ground.
I’ve not watched Fox in years, not since Hannity was in diapers.
Not addressed at you.
Kinda my point? You’re seeing dishonesty and attacks and a lack of whatever you’re looking for, and it’s not there. So why keep trying to look for it?
I’m looking for it. I saw it. It’s there.
Ok.
Then I guess since we don’t both see it, and I can’t stop doing something I don’t even know I’m doing, I guess your choices are to keep raging about it, or learn to ignore it.
I must be blessed to not suffer any white male guilt.
To some degree, I genuinely feel that people need to be responsible for themselves and stop blaming the rest of society. For example, I understand that the colonists that appeared in America back in the day did horrible things to the Native Americans. I understand that much of the Native American population is poor. But at some point I really don’t see the value in the United States government giving reparations to them anymore.
The value is in helping disadvantaged groups get out of artificial poverty. It’s really hard for people to “pull themselves by their bootstraps” out of a hole that America dug and threw them into. You agree that Native Americans are not doing well right now, and I hope you can agree that it’s largely due to America’s past actions. Why prolong their suffering?
I’m fairly certain people in Europe conquered other people in Europe over the centuries, and I doubt many of the conquered over there get reparations for it. I know that sounds callous, but I still feel that way.
I don’t see how this is at all analogous.
You don’t even have to look at it in terms of reparations. We’re talking about a government doing something to alleviate the suffering of a large number of its citizens. It’s not like anyone is asking you, chyron, to move out of your house and give the property to the Indians or to give them money or anything.
The Person in Question
I must be blessed to not suffer any white male guilt.
To some degree, I genuinely feel that people need to be responsible for themselves and stop blaming the rest of society. For example, I understand that the colonists that appeared in America back in the day did horrible things to the Native Americans. I understand that much of the Native American population is poor. But at some point I really don’t see the value in the United States government giving reparations to them anymore.
The value is in helping disadvantaged groups get out of artificial poverty. It’s really hard for people to “pull themselves by their bootstraps” out of a hole that America dug and threw them into. You agree that Native Americans are not doing well right now, and I hope you can agree that it’s largely due to America’s past actions. Why prolong their suffering?
I’m fairly certain people in Europe conquered other people in Europe over the centuries, and I doubt many of the conquered over there get reparations for it. I know that sounds callous, but I still feel that way.
Because getting a handout does not help one feel successful. I understand some people need it, but it will not ultimately motivate them to create a situation for themselves where they don’t need it. In some respect, people may even take it for granted and come to accept indefinite dependence on it.
I don’t see how this is at all analogous.
It is analogous because, although it’s hard for people to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps”, to some degree it is necessary. If you want something bad enough, you need to fight for it. Having the government paying them does not necessarily ultimately lessen their suffering, but rather allows it to fester, because sometimes pain is necessary to affect change. Removing pain caused by injury does not necessarily help the injury to heal itself.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44737293
London Mayor Sadiq Khan has granted permission for a giant inflatable figure depicting Mr Trump as a baby to fly over Westminster for two hours on the second day of the president’s visit.
Insult to babies that mate - some talk a lot more sense and behave in a more mature manner that Trump 😉
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I must be blessed to not suffer any white male guilt.
To some degree, I genuinely feel that people need to be responsible for themselves and stop blaming the rest of society. For example, I understand that the colonists that appeared in America back in the day did horrible things to the Native Americans. I understand that much of the Native American population is poor. But at some point I really don’t see the value in the United States government giving reparations to them anymore.
The value is in helping disadvantaged groups get out of artificial poverty. It’s really hard for people to “pull themselves by their bootstraps” out of a hole that America dug and threw them into. You agree that Native Americans are not doing well right now, and I hope you can agree that it’s largely due to America’s past actions. Why prolong their suffering?
I’m fairly certain people in Europe conquered other people in Europe over the centuries, and I doubt many of the conquered over there get reparations for it. I know that sounds callous, but I still feel that way.
Because getting a handout does not help one feel successful. I understand some people need it, but it will not ultimately motivate them to create a situation for themselves where they don’t need it. In some respect, people may even take it for granted and come to accept indefinite dependence on it.
I don’t know what makes you think that there are opportunities for success on Indian Reservations because there aren’t any.
I don’t see how this is at all analogous.
It is analogous because, although it’s hard for people to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps”, to some degree it is necessary. If you want something bad enough, you need to fight for it. Having the government paying them does not necessarily ultimately lessen their suffering, but rather allows it to fester, because sometimes pain is necessary to affect change. Removing pain caused by injury does not necessarily help the injury to heal itself.
We didn’t say anything about handing people money. I think the solution is to improve public education and create more job opportunities in really impoverished areas. I’m not aware of any serious commentator that thinks handing people free money is all that people with shitty lives need.
The Person in Question
I think some of this disagreement is coming from a misunderstanding as to what reparations would entail. This article goes over two schools of thought. I quoted the section more in line with what I envision when I think of reparations.
On the other end is the policy approach. Instead of cash, the federal government would implement an agenda to tackle racial inequality at its roots. This agenda would focus on major areas of concern: housing, criminal justice, education, and income inequality. As for the policies themselves, they don’t require a ton of imagination. To break the ghettos and reduce the hyper-segregation of black life, the federal government would aggressively enforce the Fair Housing Act, with attacks on housing and lending discrimination, and punishment for communities that exclude low-income residents with exclusionary zoning.
What’s more, it would provide vouchers for those who want to move, subsidized mortgages for those who want to own, and huge investments in transportation infrastructure, to break urban and rural isolation and connect low-income blacks to jobs in wealthier, whiter areas.
On the education front, state governments could end education budgets based on local property taxes—which disadvantage poor communities and disproportionately hurt blacks—and the federal government could invest in school reconstruction, modernization, and vouchers—for parents who want their children in private schools—in addition to higher education subsidies for black Americans. These “in-kind” benefits have the virtue of freeing up disposable income, thus acting as de facto cash payments.
It almost goes without saying that this move for policy reparations would include an end to the war on drugs, an end to mass incarceration, and a national re-evaluation of police procedures to reduce racial profiling. And, looking forward, it could include progressive “baby bonds”—federally managed investment accounts with modest annual growth rates. At $60 billion a year, according to one proposal, this would help ameliorate wealth inequality for future generations.
And he brought up reparations. I think reparations are a pointless thing to talk about at this point. The government failed to give reparations to almost everyone that lived through the atrocities we’re talking about so what I think we should do to help people now is establish systems that will actually allow people to have equal opportunity. I’m talking about medicare for all, free college, student loan forgiveness, police reform, prison reform, etc. etc.
The Person in Question
I’m fairly certain people in Europe conquered other people in Europe over the centuries, and I doubt many of the conquered over there get reparations for it. I know that sounds callous, but I still feel that way.
I don’t see how this is at all analogous.
It is analogous because, although it’s hard for people to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps”, to some degree it is necessary. If you want something bad enough, you need to fight for it. Having the government paying them does not necessarily ultimately lessen their suffering, but rather allows it to fester, because sometimes pain is necessary to affect change. Removing pain caused by injury does not necessarily help the injury to heal itself.
Let me rephrase my initial question. How is conquest analogous to racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing?
I’m fairly certain people in Europe conquered other people in Europe over the centuries, and I doubt many of the conquered over there get reparations for it. I know that sounds callous, but I still feel that way.
I don’t see how this is at all analogous.
It is analogous because, although it’s hard for people to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps”, to some degree it is necessary. If you want something bad enough, you need to fight for it. Having the government paying them does not necessarily ultimately lessen their suffering, but rather allows it to fester, because sometimes pain is necessary to affect change. Removing pain caused by injury does not necessarily help the injury to heal itself.
Let me rephrase my initial question. How is conquest analogous to racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing?
How is that question supposed to be any clearer?
I’m saying I don’t suffer from white guilt. And I gave an example of my not thinking the government giving money to a poor cultural demographic will help individuals in that demographic to improve their situation to a point where they don’t need it. The idea that it may not aid them to improve positively in the long term says to me that it’s not necessarily helpful. The idea that other countries do not do this says to me that conquest does not necessarily warrant it. The two of these things together make me ask myself why are we doing it.
I do feel sad for what happened to people in this country’s past, but I don’t myself feel guilt about it nor do I feel it necessary or helpful for the current government to presently make financial compensation for greater-than-century-old offenses.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
I’m fairly certain people in Europe conquered other people in Europe over the centuries, and I doubt many of the conquered over there get reparations for it. I know that sounds callous, but I still feel that way.
I don’t see how this is at all analogous.
It is analogous because, although it’s hard for people to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps”, to some degree it is necessary. If you want something bad enough, you need to fight for it. Having the government paying them does not necessarily ultimately lessen their suffering, but rather allows it to fester, because sometimes pain is necessary to affect change. Removing pain caused by injury does not necessarily help the injury to heal itself.
Let me rephrase my initial question. How is conquest analogous to racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing?
How is that question supposed to be any clearer?
Is it not?
I’m calling into question your comment about conquest in Europe, because I don’t see what European conquest has to do with what minorities in America experience. They seem to me like two completely different situations that are in no way comparable.
I’m saying I don’t suffer from white guilt. And I gave an example of my not thinking the government giving money to a poor cultural demographic will help individuals in that demographic to improve their situation to a point where they don’t need it.
And your example was… European conquest. Right? I don’t see how that helps to illustrate that point at all.
The idea that it may not aid them to improve positively in the long term says to me that it’s not necessarily helpful.
Woah, woah, woah. Who said it won’t? That certainly sounds like a good idea to me.
The idea that other countries do not do this says to me that conquest does not necessarily warrant it.
So you’re comparing what happened to Natives here in America to conquest in Europe? I don’t see the comparison, and frankly, I think it trivializes what the Natives went through. What happened here was genocide, plain and simple, and Native Americans are still being affected by it today. A better analogy might be one of the various genocides that happened in Europe. I can certainly think of an example, a big glaring elephant in the room, and reparations were paid because of it.
I’m fairly certain people in Europe conquered other people in Europe over the centuries, and I doubt many of the conquered over there get reparations for it. I know that sounds callous, but I still feel that way.
I don’t see how this is at all analogous.
It is analogous because, although it’s hard for people to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps”, to some degree it is necessary. If you want something bad enough, you need to fight for it. Having the government paying them does not necessarily ultimately lessen their suffering, but rather allows it to fester, because sometimes pain is necessary to affect change. Removing pain caused by injury does not necessarily help the injury to heal itself.
Let me rephrase my initial question. How is conquest analogous to racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing?
How is that question supposed to be any clearer?
Is it not?
I’m calling into question your comment about conquest in Europe, because I don’t see what European conquest has to do with what minorities in America experience. They seem to me like two completely different situations that are in no way comparable.
There aren’t minorities in Europe who suffer(ed) remotely similarly in comparison to what American minorities did/do?
I’m saying I don’t suffer from white guilt. And I gave an example of my not thinking the government giving money to a poor cultural demographic will help individuals in that demographic to improve their situation to a point where they don’t need it.
And your example was… European conquest. Right? I don’t see how that helps to illustrate that point at all.
Conquest here. Conquest there. I don’t feel personal guilt for past European whites affecting American conquest against the minority already living here at the time.
The idea that it may not aid them to improve positively in the long term says to me that it’s not necessarily helpful.
Woah, woah, woah. Who said it won’t?
I did. I said it won’t.
The idea that other countries do not do this says to me that conquest does not necessarily warrant it.
What happened here was genocide, plain and simple
I don’t disagree with that.
and Native Americans are still being affected by it today.
And financially compensating their society in perpetuity is helpful to that society in the long term?
A better analogy might be one of the various genocides that happened in Europe. I can certainly think of an example, a big glaring elephant in the room, and reparations were paid because of it.
You’re saying the Nazis exterminating Jewish European citizens is the same as European colonists wholesale deciding they want more land and so took it brutally by force from the native people living here? The Nazis didn’t expand across Europe to specifically take land from the Jews. They exterminated the Jews because they wanted to, not because the Jews were unfortunate enough to be in their way when they wanted something. There was racism involved in both, sure, but the motivation is different and there were other factors involved. It’s not the same thing.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.