logo Sign In

Star Wars Episode VII, VIII, IX George Lucas original story outline, scripts, treatments or his ideas — Page 3

Author
Time

TV’s Frink said:

MalàStrana said:

It’s important because on the Solo thread Jason made it impossible to talk about the movie with the perspective of the way it was produced by Kennedy (next step: we won’t talk about the screenwriter or the director of a movie because it’s not relevant ?You know, directors and screenwriter don’t take every single decision on a movie either…). I think it’s good to clear that.

That’s a question for Jason…although I think it’s a very silly question.

Frink, I know you want badly to give your opinion about anytthing going on, but you’re missing the target so much that I won’t waste time replying to you on this matter.

Author
Time

MalàStrana said:

TV’s Frink said:

MalàStrana said:

It’s important because on the Solo thread Jason made it impossible to talk about the movie with the perspective of the way it was produced by Kennedy (next step: we won’t talk about the screenwriter or the director of a movie because it’s not relevant ?You know, directors and screenwriter don’t take every single decision on a movie either…). I think it’s good to clear that.

That’s a question for Jason…although I think it’s a very silly question.

Frink, I know you want badly to give your opinion about anytthing going on, but you’re missing the target so much that I won’t waste time replying to you on this matter.

why be so selective about how you choose to waste your time?

Author
Time
 (Edited)

MalàStrana said:

TV’s Frink said:

MalàStrana said:

It’s important because on the Solo thread Jason made it impossible to talk about the movie with the perspective of the way it was produced by Kennedy (next step: we won’t talk about the screenwriter or the director of a movie because it’s not relevant ?You know, directors and screenwriter don’t take every single decision on a movie either…). I think it’s good to clear that.

That’s a question for Jason…although I think it’s a very silly question.

Frink, I know you want badly to give your opinion about anytthing going on

It’s a discussion forum. If your questions aren’t for me you should say so, and then be prepared for me to not care because that’s not how things work on forums. If you don’t want me to reply don’t post.

MalàStrana said:

you’re missing the target so much that I won’t waste time replying to you on this matter.

Your claim is noted.

Author
Time

I think it’d be cool for Lucas to hand his “story treatments” to Marvel or something for them to make comic like Dark Horse did with The Star Wars that one time.

.

Author
Time

well i certainly miss lucas’ major input in the movies. the man was the very core of star wars - something that’s been clearly missing since he’s been gone imo. one can’t simply replace the core of something like star wars.

continuing a conversation me, dom and coffee had on another thread: i don’t think one can separate creation from creator in this case. to me, it’s just like if 4 guys all of a sudden bought the beatles’ rights and simply decided to produce new albums under the name of “the beatles” - they wouldn’t be the actual Beatles at all.

coffee gave me a very good example as counter argument though - comics - where you have multiple authors. so if i consider the disney star wars movies fan fiction, i’d have to consider 99% of comic books fan fiction. i’m not sure how to respond to that yet, but maybe i do consider all those 99% fan fiction. oh well.

i just wish lucas was still sort of the mastermind behind star wars.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Film is a collaborative medium though so comparing Lucas to the Beatles isn’t quite fitting (for that and many other reasons). Plus Star Wars was built as a pastiche throwback that added onto existing myths and genres, so it seems perfectly natural and fitting (moreso than even in other franchises) that people would take up the tradition and continue the series without him.

(Which is to say nothing of the fact that the last three [four if you count TCW] SW movies the man made are nowhere near the quality of the four that have since been made without him.)

Author
Time

If Lucas had been given as much control over the ST as he had over TESB, I would’ve been completely fine with that.

Author
Time

MalàStrana said:

The fact is that I never said that. That’s why I won’t reply to Jason, because my message is clear enough. But according to the commentary track of TLJ it seems the Leia scene is something Kennedy wanted so much.

(some people here seem to believe on the contrary that a producer just pays the bills on a set…)

You state I should ask Outbound Flight first re his post… of which I am not addressing or taking issue with - before you will answer… - you then later say you will not answer at all because your ‘message is clear enough’? Obviously this is not the case if I’m asking you for explanations…

Though I can certainly see why you would wish to deflect away from your own post.

MalàStrana said:

Just to be sure of something: each time someone makes even a slight criticism of the new SW producer, the reactions seem quite nervous to defend her. So: is it because she is a she ? I mean, do you believe “we” criticize her because she’s a woman ? And do you defend her because she’s a woman and/or because you believe that “anti-Kennedy” are all misogynist ? It’s important because on the Solo thread Jason made it impossible to talk about the movie with the perspective of the way it was produced by Kennedy (next step: we won’t talk about the screenwriter or the director of a movie because it’s not relevant ?You know, directors and screenwriter don’t take every single decision on a movie either…). I think it’s good to clear that.

No. What I said to you in the Solo thread was after this post by you…

MalàStrana said:

snooker said:

Retcons are the devil to you, ain’t they?

I didn’t like them when Lucas was making the PT. I don’t like them when Disney is ruining what’s left to ruin in this Saga.

oojason said:

MalàStrana said:

snooker said:

Retcons are the devil to you, ain’t they?

I didn’t like them when Lucas was making the PT. I don’t like them when Disney is ruining what’s left to ruin in this Saga.

That’s a false equivalency at best; you may not have liked them when Lucas was writing the prequels - and you may not like them with the current writers, but it’s got nowt to do with Disney, so stop with the unsubstantiated claims - it also cheapens your viewpoint and those that may share your views on the retcons.
 

Please keep comments in here to the Solo film - this is the ‘Solo: A Star Wars Story — Official Review and Opinions Thread’ afterall - and not the ‘bash Disney’ thread. Thank you.

and when you then replied with…

MalàStrana said:

oojason said:

but it’s got nowt to do with Disney, so stop with the unsubstantiated claims - it also cheapens your viewpoint and those that may share your views on the retcons.

Isn’t Disney producing the new movies the same way they produce the Marvel or other series they own ? (real question)
Because it’s totally relevant when talking about the new movies to base any analysis about that fact which makes a clear distinction between the Lucas/independant era and the Disney/corporation era of the Saga. It’s so clear at every single level (good or bad, to each is own point of view on that) that I don’t want to stay blind about that and pretend we can talk about Solo or else the same way we were talking about Ep I to VI. SW was a Saga. It’s now a Franchise. You can love it, that’s fine. But you can’t pretend it’s not true and saying Disney has nothing to do with that.

I said…

oojason said:

MalàStrana said:

oojason said:

but it’s got nowt to do with Disney, so stop with the unsubstantiated claims - it also cheapens your viewpoint and those that may share your views on the retcons.

Isn’t Disney producing the new movies the same way they produce the Marvel or other series they own ? (real question)
Because it’s totally relevant when talking about the new movies to base any analysis about that fact which makes a clear distinction between the Lucas/independant era and the Disney/corporation era of the Saga. It’s so clear at every single level (good or bad, to each is own point of view on that) that I don’t want to stay blind about that and pretend we can talk about Solo or else the same way we were talking about Ep I to VI. SW was a Saga. It’s now a Franchise. You can love it, that’s fine. But you can’t pretend it’s not true and saying Disney has nothing to do with that.

And now we’re no longer talking about retcons…

and you somehow managed to miss this part of my last post when quoting it:-

oojason said:

MalàStrana said:

snooker said:

Retcons are the devil to you, ain’t they?

I didn’t like them when Lucas was making the PT. I don’t like them when Disney is ruining what’s left to ruin in this Saga.

Please keep comments in here to the Solo film - this is the ‘Solo: A Star Wars Story — Official Review and Opinions Thread’ afterall - and not the ‘bash Disney’ thread. Thank you.

If you’d like to continue a wider conversation on the franchise (and how it compares to Marvel etc) that’s fine, though it won’t be done in here - the ‘Solo: A Star Wars Story — Official Review and Opinions Thread’. So find a relevant thread to do that - or feel free to PM me to carry the conversation on.

Which is not what you have just claimed, yes? No mention of Kennedy at all by yourself - just another of your throwaway threadcrapping shitposts, then followed up a with pretence that you were having a serious conversation…
 

Your post in here was yet another thread-crapper from you - like yours in the Solo thread linked to above to which you refer, yes? A bit like many of the other occasions you have previously been asked not to, and the multiple warnings given to you for doing just that, followed by your empty claims that you will refrain or reign in the threadcrapping - yet then revert to it after a period of time… once again. That is bad enough.

You then put words into the mouths of others, and basically making false claims - yet again - which is worse. You’ve been told before what would happen if this occurred again, yet here you are.

Enough is finally enough.

 
Perhaps, upon your return you could create a thread to talk about these perceived production / management / quality issues in which you seemingly and repeatedly love to shitpost in so many other threads on here?

 

A little patience goes a long way on this old-school Rebel base. If you are having issues finding what you are looking for, these will be of some help…

Welcome to the OriginalTrilogy.com | Introduce yourself in here | Useful info within : About : Help : Site Rules : Fan Project Rules : Announcements
How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + FAQs - includes info on how to search for projects and threads on the OT•com

A Project Index for Star Wars Preservations (Harmy’s Despecialized & 4K77/80/83 etc) : A Project Index for Star Wars Fan Edits (adywan & Hal 9000 etc)

… and take your time to look around this site before posting - to get a feel for this place. Don’t just lazily make yet another thread asking for projects.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

DuracellEnergizer said:

If Lucas had been given as much control over the ST as he had over TESB, I would’ve been completely fine with that.

He had more than that for the PT and look how that turned out.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

TV’s Frink said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

If Lucas had been given as much control over the ST as he had over TESB, I would’ve been completely fine with that.

He had more than that for the PT and look how that turned out.

I read Duracells post as having taken that into account. As in if he had precisely that amount and no more. Something I agree with. I think Lucas is a great idea man and a great story teller. The prequels suck but it isn’t because of the big picture. If Lucas could have been involved but not been in charge of directing the actors or writing the actual script I think the sequels might be a step better. The way I view it the prequels are beautifully designed. The story is great I think. The actual plot had flaws but that could have been fixed without huge changes, which ties in to my next point… They were poorly executed. In edited form I enjoy them a great deal but the fact is the theatricals weren’t meant to be a rough cut so you can’t grade them by that. Not the sequels are the opposite. They aren’t designed as well (IMHO) and their overall story isn’t as great. (Not to mention rotj ends the “saga” perfectly, even if it isn’t a perfect film. Now I do think these stories deserve to exist and I like them, but they shouldn’t be episodes 7,8, and 9. They are a new story. They should just be a new series.) however it is still good I think and the characters are great. And the execution is quite well done. So while I think the prequels have a better story overall Lucas botched the execution so badly. If he could have added that flair to the sequels but had this team executing it I think it could have been completely spellbinding. As it is the sequels are still far better films in a vacuum than the prequels, but it’s a shame they don’t have the same artistic flair.

Author
Time

I would argue that TLJ is the single most artistic and personal work of possibly all the films, but definitely since the OT. It has much more “flair” imo.

.

Author
Time

I don’t disagree with that firmly enough to want to argue it, I do definitely love TLJ.

Author
Time

DuracellEnergizer said:

If Lucas had been given as much control over the ST as he had over TESB, I would’ve been completely fine with that.

Before we talk about Lucas making the ST that way, we should talk about him doing the PT (and Jedi) that way, because these movies are more in need of improvement.

Ceci n’est pas une signature.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Frank your Majesty said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

If Lucas had been given as much control over the ST as he had over TESB, I would’ve been completely fine with that.

Before we talk about Lucas making the ST that way, we should talk about him doing the PT (and Jedi) that way, because these movies are more in need of improvement.

That’s been talked about quite thoroughly for many long years now.

Author
Time

Yes, my point is that if Lucas found a way to continue making great movies, I don’t think anyone would be unhappy if he made the ST this way. After the disaster that the PT is, however, I’d rather have the ST that we have now, than experimenting with a “constrained” Lucas.

Ceci n’est pas une signature.