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It’s a disappointment but flop is a word used too loosely these days (and the typical narrative behind the use here is not a good one). Comparing it to Justice League isn’t really apt, because the situations and expectations are completely different.

As for breaking even, they couldn’t not have known they were taking a hit with the reshoots. More likely than not they thought it was worth it for the long term health of the brand.

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Is Justice League the new Heaven’s Gate/Howard The Duck/Ishtar now?

They could potentially clean up on home video if we get to see the original footage. Assemble it into an alternate cut ala Superman II.

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SilverWook said:

Is Justice League the new Heaven’s Gate/Howard The Duck/Ishtar now?

They could potentially clean up on home video if we get to see the original footage. Assemble it into an alternate cut ala Superman II.

Justice League’s floppitude is up for debate. I think the main reason its performance is considered so weak is because it is the lowest grossing film of the DCEU so far, when it was supposed to be the opposite.

On a similar and more on topic note, I’d love to see an approximate Lord/Miller cut of Solo, though that’ll never happen.

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I don’t know why Lucasfilm seemingly has no interest in such things. They must know we’d buy it. And this isn’t an OOT situation.

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SilverWook said:

Is Justice League the new Heaven’s Gate/Howard The Duck/Ishtar now?

They could potentially clean up on home video if we get to see the original footage. Assemble it into an alternate cut ala Superman II.

I’d pay to see Snyder’s cut.

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SilverWook said:

Is Justice League the new Heaven’s Gate/Howard The Duck/Ishtar now?

They could potentially clean up on home video if we get to see the original footage. Assemble it into an alternate cut ala Superman II.

Justice League was cheap looking an an obvious mashup of two directors with very different styles.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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DominicCobb said:

flop is a word used to loosely these days

I’d say that considering the film is now only projected to make 450 mill worldwide max, yeah, that’d be a pretty apt definition of the word flop.

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I’d love to see a Lord & Miller cut of Solo. I think this story would perfectly work as a silly action comedy

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I thought it was enjoyable on the whole and hasn’t ruined anything in star wars but not really convinced it was a film that needed making.
I’d be surprised if there is a direct sequel but would expect something in this timeline to come up again.

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yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

SilverWook said:

I’m almost at the point where I will have no use for the community at all. I hope that guy gets paid by the word.

I’m not even sure that guy is part of the community. He seems to be writing about film in general, but I share his view, that Star Wars has become a franchise, that doesn’t go forward, because it’s obsessed with looking in the rearview mirror.

Funny, I thought TLJ moved to new territory and broke the pattern. And Solo should be fun, not epicly serious.

I disagree. An Empire vs rebels/new hope vs fallen Jedi apprentice replay is not my interpretation of breaking new ground. TLJ’s calculated story twists don’t alter the fact, that it still shares a lot of narrative and visual similarities with TESB and ROTJ. It’s less derivative than TFA, but the fact that TLJ is seen by many as moving to new territory, imo proves that Star Wars has become so limited in scope, that the slightest deviation from the mold is now seen as visionary, and creative.

Solo doesn’t have to be epicly serious, but the problem with it is, that it’s mostly interested in checking boxes. How did Han and Chewie meet? How did Han and Lando meet? How did Han obtain the Millenium Falcon? What’s the Kessel run? Aside from some cool visuals and some good performances this movie is the poster boy for unimaginative film making, the anti-thesis of what Star Wars used to be.

I seriously wonder if we will ever get a Star Wars film, that isn’t in some way a remix of Lucas’ greatest hits. What’s wrong with just telling a story about a new smuggler type character (or any other new character for that matter) set in the Star Wars universe, where we don’t know where all the characters end up? How about getting people to view your film simply on the merit of telling a good original story with good original characters, rather than relying on the classic characters, story tropes, nostalgia, and fan service to draw people in for another deja vu experience.

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Those checked boxes are a hell of lot more entertaining than the checked boxes in the prequels. 😃

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SilverWook said:

Those checked boxes are a hell of lot more entertaining than the checked boxes in the prequels. 😃

Sure, but I expect my Star Wars movies to be more than just entertaining. For all their failings the prequels were at least ambitious in their scope, even if they were largely unnecessary in my view, because as with Solo they fill in blanks better left to the imagination.

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Jay said:

SilverWook said:

Is Justice League the new Heaven’s Gate/Howard The Duck/Ishtar now?

They could potentially clean up on home video if we get to see the original footage. Assemble it into an alternate cut ala Superman II.

I’d pay to see Snyder’s cut.

Whereas you couldn’t pay me enough to.

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Ryan-SWI said:

DominicCobb said:

flop is a word used to loosely these days

I’d say that considering the film is now only projected to make 450 mill worldwide max, yeah, that’d be a pretty apt definition of the word flop.

If that ends up the case I might be inclined to agree. But as it stands I don’t think these things should be declared immediately.

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DrDre said:

SilverWook said:

Those checked boxes are a hell of lot more entertaining than the checked boxes in the prequels. 😃

Sure, but I expect my Star Wars movies to be more than just entertaining. For all their failings the prequels were at least ambitious in their scope, even if they were largely unnecessary in my view, because as with Solo they fill in blanks better left to the imagination.

Good thing we have movies like TLJ then.

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DrDre said:

yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

SilverWook said:

I’m almost at the point where I will have no use for the community at all. I hope that guy gets paid by the word.

I’m not even sure that guy is part of the community. He seems to be writing about film in general, but I share his view, that Star Wars has become a franchise, that doesn’t go forward, because it’s obsessed with looking in the rearview mirror.

Funny, I thought TLJ moved to new territory and broke the pattern. And Solo should be fun, not epicly serious.

I seriously wonder if we will ever get a Star Wars film, that isn’t in some way a remix of Lucas’ greatest hits. What’s wrong with just telling a story about a new smuggler type character (or any other new character for that matter) set in the Star Wars universe, where we don’t know where all the characters end up? How about getting people to view your film simply on the merit of telling a good original story with good original characters, rather than relying on the classic characters, story tropes, nostalgia, and fan service to draw people in for another deja vu experience.

Well, this is the just 2nd Standalone film so far - and it seems Lucasfilm/Disney will be making more, so I’m not questioning why they haven’t made a ‘wholly new’ Star Wars film yet. I didn’t know most of the R1 characters, and I didn’t know most of the Solo characters either - and was quite happy to let the story tell me about them.

There are two new Star Wars trilogies in the pipeline - which may be set past the events of the Sequel Trilogy, or may fill in in the gaps between the OT and ST, again maybe with new characters - who knows - as yet?

I’m patient enough to wait until we have a couple more releases before all new characters and stories after 2 films (and understand why the 2 standalone films covered familiar ground before hopefully branching out into fresh ground - though I also wouldn’t mind a Kenobi film or a Jedi Purge film before newer stories are released - or that of the long past (perhaps KOTOR timeline-ish).

Though again, this topic is probably best suited to a more relevant thread outside of this, the ‘Solo - review and opinion’ thread.

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DominicCobb said:

Ryan-SWI said:

DominicCobb said:

flop is a word used to loosely these days

I’d say that considering the film is now only projected to make 450 mill worldwide max, yeah, that’d be a pretty apt definition of the word flop.

If that ends up the case I might be inclined to agree. But as it stands I don’t think these things should be declared immediately.

Indeed, the film hasn’t been out a week yet (well, nearly a week).

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oojason said:

DrDre said:

yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

SilverWook said:

I’m almost at the point where I will have no use for the community at all. I hope that guy gets paid by the word.

I’m not even sure that guy is part of the community. He seems to be writing about film in general, but I share his view, that Star Wars has become a franchise, that doesn’t go forward, because it’s obsessed with looking in the rearview mirror.

Funny, I thought TLJ moved to new territory and broke the pattern. And Solo should be fun, not epicly serious.

I seriously wonder if we will ever get a Star Wars film, that isn’t in some way a remix of Lucas’ greatest hits. What’s wrong with just telling a story about a new smuggler type character (or any other new character for that matter) set in the Star Wars universe, where we don’t know where all the characters end up? How about getting people to view your film simply on the merit of telling a good original story with good original characters, rather than relying on the classic characters, story tropes, nostalgia, and fan service to draw people in for another deja vu experience.

Well, this is the just 2nd Standalone film so far - and it seems Lucasfilm/Disney will be making more, so I’m not questioning why they haven’t made a ‘wholly new’ Star Wars film yet. I didn’t know most of the R1 characters, and I didn’t know most of the Solo characters either - and was quite happy to let the story tell me about them.

Yes, but the problem is, that except for Qi’Ra these new characters have no future, because they’re either killed in the film, or have been killed in other media. As such these new characters don’t stand on their own, but were created in the service of expanding the canon of classic characters (Solo -> Han & Chewie) or stories (RO -> ANH). In many ways they are equivalent to the redshirts in Star Trek - the original series:

Solo continues the trend of RO, where a good villain in the form of Krennic is ultimately the warmup act for Tarkin & Vader. In Solo Dryden Vos, another good villain played by a good actor who might have had a bright future, turns out to be the warmup act for another legacy character Maul, who we know is going to die at the hands of Obi-Wan, meaning he’s another dead end.

There are two new Star Wars trilogies in the pipeline - which may be set past the events of the Sequel Trilogy, or may fill in in the gaps between the OT and ST, again maybe with new characters - who knows - as yet?

I’m patient enough to wait until we have a couple more releases before all new characters and stories after 2 films (and understand why the 2 standalone films covered familiar ground before hopefully branching out into fresh ground - though I also wouldn’t mind a Kenobi film or a Jedi Purge film before newer stories are released - or that of the long past (perhaps KOTOR timeline-ish).

Well, I don’t think the branching out is going to happen any time soon with a Boba Fett film in the works, possible sequels to Solo including a Lando movie, and the rumoured Obi-Wan film(s). I was enthousiastic for an Obi-Wan film, but that enthousiasm is waning fast. In fact I would prefer they focus on an unknown Jedi who escaped the purge, and ends up settling in the unknown regions as far away from the central systems and its characters as possible, just new characters that stand on their own two feet with their own stories.

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DrDre said:

oojason said:

DrDre said:

yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

SilverWook said:

I’m almost at the point where I will have no use for the community at all. I hope that guy gets paid by the word.

I’m not even sure that guy is part of the community. He seems to be writing about film in general, but I share his view, that Star Wars has become a franchise, that doesn’t go forward, because it’s obsessed with looking in the rearview mirror.

Funny, I thought TLJ moved to new territory and broke the pattern. And Solo should be fun, not epicly serious.

I seriously wonder if we will ever get a Star Wars film, that isn’t in some way a remix of Lucas’ greatest hits. What’s wrong with just telling a story about a new smuggler type character (or any other new character for that matter) set in the Star Wars universe, where we don’t know where all the characters end up? How about getting people to view your film simply on the merit of telling a good original story with good original characters, rather than relying on the classic characters, story tropes, nostalgia, and fan service to draw people in for another deja vu experience.

Well, this is the just 2nd Standalone film so far - and it seems Lucasfilm/Disney will be making more, so I’m not questioning why they haven’t made a ‘wholly new’ Star Wars film yet. I didn’t know most of the R1 characters, and I didn’t know most of the Solo characters either - and was quite happy to let the story tell me about them.

Yes, but the problem is, that except for Qi’Ra these new characters have no future, because they’re either killed in the film, or have been killed in other media. As such these new characters don’t stand on their own, but were created in the service of expanding the canon of classic characters (Solo -> Han & Chewie) or stories (RO -> ANH). In many ways they are equivalent to the redshirts in Star Trek - the original series:

Solo continues the trend of RO, where a good villain in the form of Krennic is ultimately the warmup act for Tarkin & Vader. In Solo Dryden Vos, another good villain played by a good actor who might have had a bright future, turns out to be the warmup act for another legacy character Maul, who we know is going to die at the hands of Obi-Wan, meaning he’s another dead end.

How can Solo continue ‘the trend’ of R1 - where the trend is one film previously?

I see where you’re going in trying to establish a pattern - though that pattern has been just the two films - like your complaints that we’re not getting new stories or characters… yet we are, and have. Now you point out some characters will die - will it’s kind of the nature of the film and the universe they are set in (especially R1) - some characters will die, some will live - all part of the emotional aspect of the story. The same would likely happen if set in a different era or story. And besides, not everyone died in Solo; I’d like to see more Enfys Nest and her crew - those few bands of people coming together… more Maul / Crimson stuff too - and to be honest if the films want to re-write/ignore the events of Rebels then they should.

2 standalone films in, 2 new separate trilogies to come, likely more standalone films to come, a tv series filling in between events of ROTJ and TFA (?) - seems strange to ask for new stories and characters - when they are in fact coming already.
 

Anyway back to Solo - what aspects did you enjoy about it, Dre?

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oojason said:

DrDre said:

oojason said:

DrDre said:

yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

SilverWook said:

I’m almost at the point where I will have no use for the community at all. I hope that guy gets paid by the word.

I’m not even sure that guy is part of the community. He seems to be writing about film in general, but I share his view, that Star Wars has become a franchise, that doesn’t go forward, because it’s obsessed with looking in the rearview mirror.

Funny, I thought TLJ moved to new territory and broke the pattern. And Solo should be fun, not epicly serious.

I seriously wonder if we will ever get a Star Wars film, that isn’t in some way a remix of Lucas’ greatest hits. What’s wrong with just telling a story about a new smuggler type character (or any other new character for that matter) set in the Star Wars universe, where we don’t know where all the characters end up? How about getting people to view your film simply on the merit of telling a good original story with good original characters, rather than relying on the classic characters, story tropes, nostalgia, and fan service to draw people in for another deja vu experience.

Well, this is the just 2nd Standalone film so far - and it seems Lucasfilm/Disney will be making more, so I’m not questioning why they haven’t made a ‘wholly new’ Star Wars film yet. I didn’t know most of the R1 characters, and I didn’t know most of the Solo characters either - and was quite happy to let the story tell me about them.

Yes, but the problem is, that except for Qi’Ra these new characters have no future, because they’re either killed in the film, or have been killed in other media. As such these new characters don’t stand on their own, but were created in the service of expanding the canon of classic characters (Solo -> Han & Chewie) or stories (RO -> ANH). In many ways they are equivalent to the redshirts in Star Trek - the original series:

Solo continues the trend of RO, where a good villain in the form of Krennic is ultimately the warmup act for Tarkin & Vader. In Solo Dryden Vos, another good villain played by a good actor who might have had a bright future, turns out to be the warmup act for another legacy character Maul, who we know is going to die at the hands of Obi-Wan, meaning he’s another dead end.

How can Solo continue ‘the trend’ of R1 - where the trend is one film previously?

I see where you’re going in trying to establish a pattern - though that pattern has been just the two films - like your complaints that we’re not getting new stories or characters… yet we are, and have. Now you point out some characters will die - will it’s kind of the nature of the film and the universe they are set in (especially R1) - some characters will die, some will live - all part of the emotional aspect of the story. The same would likely happen if set in a different era or story. And besides, not everyone died in Solo; I’d like to see more Enfys Nest and her crew - those few bands of people coming together… more Maul / Crimson stuff too - and to be honest if the films want to re-write/ignore the events of Rebels then they should.

2 standalone films in, 2 new separate trilogies to come, likely more standalone films to come, a tv series filling in between events of ROTJ and TFA (?) - seems strange to ask for new stories and characters - when they are in fact coming already.
 

Anyway back to Solo - what aspects did you enjoy about it, Dre?

I’m actually not asking for new characters in general, I’m asking for new characters that aren’t being propped up or overshadowed by classic characters and storylines.

In any case, I enjoyed Solo overall. I liked the new characters, specifically Becket and Dryden Vos. I thought the humor in the movie worked a lot better than in TLJ. I also felt Donald Glover was a good Lando. I thought the train heist was a pretty effective action set piece, probably the best in the film. I would have liked it, if they would have used the Solo movie to sort of set up a new crew led by Becket, that would star in sequels with Han going his own way. I think Becket’s original crew sort of had the Guardians of the Galaxy vibe, and Dryden Vos would have been a good antagonist for future movies.

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Putting on my socks, grabbing my keys and I’m on my way in 3…2…
Review to follow.

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DrDre said:

yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

SilverWook said:

I’m almost at the point where I will have no use for the community at all. I hope that guy gets paid by the word.

I’m not even sure that guy is part of the community. He seems to be writing about film in general, but I share his view, that Star Wars has become a franchise, that doesn’t go forward, because it’s obsessed with looking in the rearview mirror.

Funny, I thought TLJ moved to new territory and broke the pattern. And Solo should be fun, not epicly serious.

I disagree. An Empire vs rebels/new hope vs fallen Jedi apprentice replay is not my interpretation of breaking new ground. TLJ’s calculated story twists don’t alter the fact, that it still shares a lot of narrative and visual similarities with TESB and ROTJ. It’s less derivative than TFA, but the fact that TLJ is seen by many as moving to new territory, imo proves that Star Wars has become so limited in scope, that the slightest deviation from the mold is now seen as visionary, and creative.

I seriously wonder if we will ever get a Star Wars film, that isn’t in some way a remix of Lucas’ greatest hits. What’s wrong with just telling a story about a new smuggler type character (or any other new character for that matter) set in the Star Wars universe, where we don’t know where all the characters end up? How about getting people to view your film simply on the merit of telling a good original story with good original characters, rather than relying on the classic characters, story tropes, nostalgia, and fan service to draw people in for another deja vu experience.

I actually really agree with you here. TLJ does take more risks than TFA, but it also could have taken some real chances that would have really shaken up the SW universe.

Firstly, after TFA, with Starkiller base destroyed, and the Republic gone, there was a vacuum of power that could be explored by Johnson in whatever way he saw fit. JJ gets a lot of criticism for writing RJ into a corner but the political situation was wide open. Johnson could have literally gone any direction with the overall story but instead went in such a boring and safe direction. The First Order now just rules over basically the entire galaxy, the Resistance is small and on the run the entire movie, and RJ basically just doubled down on the Rebels.V.Empire concept.

Secondly, RJ still had a second chance to really turn the story around with Kylo and Rey. Imagine if Rey accepted Kylo’s call to join him? Both the light side user and dark side user in the sequel trilogy, truly joining forces to eradicate what came before and start something entirely new?

Overall, RJ took a few risks but didn’t go nearly far enough to get away from remixing elements of other SW movies. I will admit that killing off Snoke was a great surprise and a really good decision by RJ that did something new with Star Wars.

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darthrush said:

Overall, RJ took a few risks but didn’t go nearly far enough to get away from remixing elements of other SW movies.

So he should have made 90% of people hate it instead of 50% of people hate it?

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darthrush said:

DrDre said:

yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

SilverWook said:

I’m almost at the point where I will have no use for the community at all. I hope that guy gets paid by the word.

I’m not even sure that guy is part of the community. He seems to be writing about film in general, but I share his view, that Star Wars has become a franchise, that doesn’t go forward, because it’s obsessed with looking in the rearview mirror.

Funny, I thought TLJ moved to new territory and broke the pattern. And Solo should be fun, not epicly serious.

I disagree. An Empire vs rebels/new hope vs fallen Jedi apprentice replay is not my interpretation of breaking new ground. TLJ’s calculated story twists don’t alter the fact, that it still shares a lot of narrative and visual similarities with TESB and ROTJ. It’s less derivative than TFA, but the fact that TLJ is seen by many as moving to new territory, imo proves that Star Wars has become so limited in scope, that the slightest deviation from the mold is now seen as visionary, and creative.

I seriously wonder if we will ever get a Star Wars film, that isn’t in some way a remix of Lucas’ greatest hits. What’s wrong with just telling a story about a new smuggler type character (or any other new character for that matter) set in the Star Wars universe, where we don’t know where all the characters end up? How about getting people to view your film simply on the merit of telling a good original story with good original characters, rather than relying on the classic characters, story tropes, nostalgia, and fan service to draw people in for another deja vu experience.

I actually really agree with you here. TLJ does take more risks than TFA, but it also could have taken some real chances that would have really shaken up the SW universe.

Firstly, after TFA, with Starkiller base destroyed, and the Republic gone, there was a vacuum of power that could be explored by Johnson in whatever way he saw fit. JJ gets a lot of criticism for writing RJ into a corner but the political situation was wide open. Johnson could have literally gone any direction with the overall story but instead went in such a boring and safe direction. The First Order now just rules over basically the entire galaxy, the Resistance is small and on the run the entire movie, and RJ basically just doubled down on the Rebels.V.Empire concept.

Secondly, RJ still had a second chance to really turn the story around with Kylo and Rey. Imagine if Rey accepted Kylo’s call to join him? Both the light side user and dark side user in the sequel trilogy, truly joining forces to eradicate what came before and start something entirely new?

Overall, RJ took a few risks but didn’t go nearly far enough to get away from remixing elements of other SW movies. I will admit that killing off Snoke was a great surprise and a really good decision by RJ that did something new with Star Wars.

I thought I was the Solo thread for a while - yet no, of course members here have no other threads to discuss TLJ/TFA and the choices of the respective directors & writers in.

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TV’s Frink said:

darthrush said:

Overall, RJ took a few risks but didn’t go nearly far enough to get away from remixing elements of other SW movies.

So he should have made 90% of people hate it instead of 50% of people hate it?

Haha this is good.

My post was going to be

“So he could only make the creative decisions you wanted him to make, not the ones he wanted.”