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TV’s Frink said:

CatBus said:

TV’s Frink said:

All we ever get from Mrebo is lip service.

Wrong thread.

Could you please direct me to the right one?

Curse my metal body, I was too abstruse. It’s the one with Sexy Sugar on it. Cause there’s a certain kind of joke in there.

JEDIT: Page 666.

How come Frink gets all the cool stuff?

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This is pretty classic. Backstory not necessarily covered in the article: the guy gets investigated for mishandling classified info, probably on the pretty minor end of the scale, nothing at all akin to Snowden. Instead of allowing the investigation to reach this natural conclusion, however, he goes out and destroys his camera and computer’s hard drive immediately after he’s interviewed by the FBI. Suddenly this minor case got very serious, and he was charged and convicted after the FBI recovered bits of hard drive in the woods outside his house.

So he and his lawyers concoct a strategy to get him a pardon. Say “This is just like Hillary! Double standard! So unfair!” (focusing on the pretty low-level mishandling that started the investigation, not really mentioning the hard drive smashing incident at all) and get on FOX News so that they get some exclusive and uninterrupted Executive Time with the President.

Crazy plan? Stupid plan? It worked. He has now been pardoned. Lesson? Don’t fuck with the FBI, but the President can be played like a cheap fiddle by complete amateurs.

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How dumb do you have to be to take photos in a classified area and then try to destroy evidence you’ve done so? I would think cell phones or any sort of personal camera would not be allowed on board.

I know my late father worked on something to do with subs at some point in his civilian career, and he wouldn’t even tell me if he ever had set foot on one. That’s how seriously he took his security clearance. I wish I knew more than the tiny fraction I do of what my dad did for a living, but it’s CLASSIFIED for a reason!

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SilverWook said:

How dumb do you have to be to take photos in a classified area and then try to destroy evidence you’ve done so?

Like the joke about outrunning the bear… it’s okay to be stupid, you just have to be smarter than the guy who handles the pardons.

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CatBus said:

This is pretty classic. Backstory not necessarily covered in the article: the guy gets investigated for mishandling classified info, probably on the pretty minor end of the scale, nothing at all akin to Snowden. Instead of allowing the investigation to reach this natural conclusion, however, he goes out and destroys his camera and computer’s hard drive immediately after he’s interviewed by the FBI. Suddenly this minor case got very serious, and he was charged and convicted after the FBI recovered bits of hard drive in the woods outside his house.

So he and his lawyers concoct a strategy to get him a pardon. Say “This is just like Hillary! Double standard! So unfair!” (focusing on the pretty low-level mishandling that started the investigation, not really mentioning the hard drive smashing incident at all) and get on FOX News so that they get some exclusive and uninterrupted Executive Time with the President.

Crazy plan? Stupid plan? It worked. He has now been pardoned. Lesson? Don’t fuck with the FBI, but the President can be played like a cheap fiddle by complete amateurs.

If what ultimately got Saucier got in trouble was freaking out, sounds good to me. He’s served his prison term. I’m pretty sure Trump mentioned this case during his campaign. And you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think Trump is playing everyone else like a cheap fiddle by granting this pardon.

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Freaking out != destruction of evidence.

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CatBus said:

Freaking out != destruction of evidence.

Yes…I think we’ve established that. And that he served his prison sentence for that act.

I’m a big believer in second chances.

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Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

Freaking out != destruction of evidence.

Yes…I think we’ve established that. And that he served his prison sentence for that act.

His 12 month sentence was for mishandling classified information. Prosecutors were seeking a longer sentence due to the aggravating factors. So no, he really didn’t serve any time at all for destruction of evidence.

I’m a big believer in second chances.

So’s everyone who didn’t seek the death penalty on this case.

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Does a pardon wipe a record clean?

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CatBus said:

Mrebo said:

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Freaking out != destruction of evidence.

Yes…I think we’ve established that. And that he served his prison sentence for that act.

His 12 month sentence was for mishandling classified information. Prosecutors were seeking a longer sentence due to the aggravating factors. So no, he really didn’t serve any time at all for destruction of evidence.

That prosecutors sought a longer sentence than meted out isn’t remarkable. That the judge granted a such a short sentence seems significant.

I’m a big believer in second chances.

So’s everyone who didn’t seek the death penalty on this case.

Sometimes you say something ridiculous and I don’t respond. This will be one of those times, starting now.

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SilverWook said:

Does a pardon wipe a record clean?

It ends any further punishment or handicaps related to the conviction. The record of conviction still exists.

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SilverWook said:

Does a pardon wipe a record clean?

No, a pardon counts as an admission of guilt (which apparently came as a surprise to Arpaio). So all the stuff you can’t do for having engaged in such-and-such an activity, you still can’t do, because you admitted to doing it in order to get the pardon. A lot of people believe this “admission of guilt” factor is why Don Siegelman never got a pardon.

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Mrebo said:

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I’m a big believer in second chances.

So’s everyone who didn’t seek the death penalty on this case.

Sometimes you say something ridiculous and I don’t respond. This will be one of those times, starting now.

Uh huh. And a six year sentence means you don’t get a second chance. Sure.

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CatBus said:

SilverWook said:

Does a pardon wipe a record clean?

No, a pardon counts as an admission of guilt (which apparently came as a surprise to Arpaio). So all the stuff you can’t do for having engaged in such-and-such an activity, you still can’t do, because you admitted to doing it in order to get the pardon. A lot of people believe this “admission of guilt” factor is why Don Siegelman never got a pardon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/08/26/is-accepting-a-pardon-an-admission-of-guilt/?utm_term=.780726b7323f

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CatBus said:

Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

Mrebo said:

I’m a big believer in second chances.

So’s everyone who didn’t seek the death penalty on this case.

Sometimes you say something ridiculous and I don’t respond. This will be one of those times, starting now.

Uh huh. And a six year sentence means you don’t get a second chance. Sure.

His prison sentence was served. Freeing his from further handicaps is find by me.

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Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

SilverWook said:

Does a pardon wipe a record clean?

No, a pardon counts as an admission of guilt (which apparently came as a surprise to Arpaio). So all the stuff you can’t do for having engaged in such-and-such an activity, you still can’t do, because you admitted to doing it in order to get the pardon. A lot of people believe this “admission of guilt” factor is why Don Siegelman never got a pardon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/08/26/is-accepting-a-pardon-an-admission-of-guilt/?utm_term=.780726b7323f

There is some disagreement on this issue, but I wouldn’t characterize it at all the way Volokh does.

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SilverWook said:

How dumb do you have to be to take photos in a classified area and then try to destroy evidence you’ve done so? I would think cell phones or any sort of personal camera would not be allowed on board.

I know my late father worked on something to do with subs at some point in his civilian career, and he wouldn’t even tell me if he ever had set foot on one. That’s how seriously he took his security clearance. I wish I knew more than the tiny fraction I do of what my dad did for a living, but it’s CLASSIFIED for a reason!

*imagines SilverWook’s dad was part of a submarine crew that encountered intelligent aquatic races & civilizations.*

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This may be of use/interest to some of you discussing Pardons etc…

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardon-information-and-instructions

and the ‘Contact Us’ section may help get you some of the answers you are seeking (there is also an FAQ section too).

A little patience goes a long way on this old-school Rebel base. If you are having issues finding what you are looking for, these will be of some help…

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oojason said:

This may be of use/interest to some of you discussing Pardons etc…

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardon-information-and-instructions

and the ‘Contact Us’ section may help get you some of the answers you are seeking (there is also an FAQ section too).

That page is for the “normal” pardon process, which Saucier wasn’t actually eligible for. What he got was a “political” pardon, which bypasses the whole vetting process described on that page. Whether the political pardons are qualitatively different than normal pardons in terms of their implications is an issue people could argue about, but I’d say most don’t.

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Ah, nice one - thanks for the explanation mate 😃

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CatBus said:

oojason said:

This may be of use/interest to some of you discussing Pardons etc…

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardon-information-and-instructions

and the ‘Contact Us’ section may help get you some of the answers you are seeking (there is also an FAQ section too).

That page is for the “normal” pardon process, which Saucier wasn’t actually eligible for. What he got was a “political” pardon, which bypasses the whole vetting process described on that page. Whether the political pardons are qualitatively different than normal pardons in terms of their implications is an issue people could argue about, but I’d say most don’t.

I don’t think that’s right at all. There’s the presidential pardon. That page outlines the procedures for seeking it. The president may waive the requirements but that doesn’t make them irrelevant either.

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oojason said:

Ah, nice one - thanks for the explanation mate 😃

How does one seek a royal prerogative of mercy? Asking for a friend.

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Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

oojason said:

This may be of use/interest to some of you discussing Pardons etc…

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardon-information-and-instructions

and the ‘Contact Us’ section may help get you some of the answers you are seeking (there is also an FAQ section too).

That page is for the “normal” pardon process, which Saucier wasn’t actually eligible for. What he got was a “political” pardon, which bypasses the whole vetting process described on that page. Whether the political pardons are qualitatively different than normal pardons in terms of their implications is an issue people could argue about, but I’d say most don’t.

I don’t think that’s right at all. There’s the presidential pardon. That page outlines the procedures for seeking it. The president may waive the requirements but that doesn’t make them irrelevant either.

I think what I said matches what you said, just with different words. There’s one pardon with different paths to getting it. The terms “normal” and “political” refer to the paths, not the pardons. Some might argue that the path you followed to get the pardon colors the pardon, but not me.

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Mrebo said:

oojason said:

Ah, nice one - thanks for the explanation mate 😃

How does one seek a royal prerogative of mercy? Asking for a friend.

a substantial donation to the political party in power at the time (or family member of high ranking politician) usually does it mate 😉

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7700137.stm
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/nov/23/drug-barons-haase-bennett
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3331678/Convicted-drug-dealer-bribed-former-Home-Secretary-Michael-Howard-for-early-release.html

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