The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 219

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

sorry for any inconveniences, i didn’t take it in a mean way whatsoever. i guess star wars is a delicate topic for all of us 😃

We need more Collipso’s in this world.

Agreed.

TLJ is out on digital and Blu-ray in a MONTH and I’m just now putting on my review… so oops I guess

Overall I found TLJ to be a pretty good movie, it did new things which is what I wanted, it blew my expectations (I was one of those fans theorizing about Snoke and Rey’s parents and all that bull crap) and at first, I was kinda bummed out that my theories weren’t true but after like five or so minutes I just appreciated the movie for what it was and I will list the things I found off about the movie but then again they are more on the nit pick side and not really criticisms.
-I found most of the one-liners to be timed bad and made it feel more like a Marvel movie but I won’t say I didn’t chuckle at a few of them
-Rey’s parents. I know I said I’ve learned to appreciate the movie for the moves it took but I’m kinda sad that Rey isn’t a Skywalker, and that is really because I’ve always seen the main Star Wars saga to focus on the Skywalker family with the prequels being about Anakin, the originals being about Luke, and this new trilogy is about Rey
-SPACE LEIA!!! This bugged me so much and my real complaint about this is how they could’ve really done it. Kylo was struggling to fire his missiles at Leia because he wasn’t fully on the dark side, SOOOO they could’ve made Kylo use the force to push her over to the door of the Raddus
Those are really my only complaints about the movie, and I know people had a problem with the Canto Bight part of the movie but I didn’t mind it as much. Sure the whole “treat animals nicely” moral of that was stupid and shouldn’t be something that Star Wars should have to teach kids but you know Disney. Anyway, I found the Canto Bight part to be important to Finn’s character due to one thing I realized when Finn wakes up we see him packing his things and trying to leave but at the battle of Crait he tries to sacrifice himself for the Resistance (which I’m kinda happy he ended up being saved because having to witness Luke die was hard enough) AND FINALLY!!! my final comment is on Snoke’s death. This was probably the most controversial decision to many fans but I wasn’t as sad as most and that’s because I found him there only to push Kylo over the edge and bring him to the dark side. They did the same with Emperor Palpatine and I remember someone saying that the Emperor’s name was nly mentioned throughout the OT while Snoke was hinted to be part of something bigger in TFA which I have to disagree with. Sure Snoke said that Kylo had to finish his training at the end of TFA which I believe “finishing his training” was referring to turning Kylo to the dark fully which he ended up doing in the film.
And so my final grade for The Last Jedi is an A-
While I did like this film more than TFA which was a damn good film I’ll still give it the same grade that I gave TFA only because my love for this movie is only partially higher than TFA.

Collipso said:

sorry for any inconveniences, i didn’t take it in a mean way whatsoever. i guess star wars is a delicate topic for all of us 😃

You are not forgiven.

White&Nerdy69 said:

TLJ is out on digital and Blu-ray

it’s not.

DuracellEnergizer said:

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

sorry for any inconveniences, i didn’t take it in a mean way whatsoever. i guess star wars is a delicate topic for all of us 😃

We need more Collipso’s in this world.

Agreed.

thanks guys, that actually means a lot. really.

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

sorry for any inconveniences, i didn’t take it in a mean way whatsoever. i guess star wars is a delicate topic for all of us 😃

You are not forgiven.

ahhh new england sass, how i love it.

oojason said:

Valheru_84 said:

DominicCobb said:

Valheru_84 said:

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

You guys can’t even read how am I supposed to fight? It’s the green robot madness all over again.

I said: I felt like Daisy’s performance was weak compared to her performance in other movies.

Yeah, this site gets pretty confusing where people state a perfectly reasonable opinion and all you get as a response is “what?”.

Reasonable?

Whether you agree or not, saying that you feel an actor turned in a weaker performance is a perfectly reasonable opinion, yes.

You sure?

You ok my friend?

Seems in character to me, that being a self admitted snide and rudely sarcastic poster by nature.

At least you got that I was joking, even though for some reason you felt like you had to be a dick about it (though I guess that’s in character for you).

How does pointing out that you’re being a dick through your self admitted snide and sarcastic posting nature make me a dick?

DominicCobb said:

Valheru_84 said:

DominicCobb said:

Valheru_84 said:

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

You guys can’t even read how am I supposed to fight? It’s the green robot madness all over again.

I said: I felt like Daisy’s performance was weak compared to her performance in other movies.

Yeah, this site gets pretty confusing where people state a perfectly reasonable opinion and all you get as a response is “what?”.

Reasonable?

Whether you agree or not, saying that you feel an actor turned in a weaker performance is a perfectly reasonable opinion, yes.

You sure?

You ok my friend?

Seems in character to me, that being a self admitted snide and rudely sarcastic poster by nature.

At least you got that I was joking, even though for some reason you felt like you had to be a dick about it (though I guess that’s in character for you).

How does pointing out that you’re being a dick through your self admitted snide and sarcastic posting nature make me a dick?

Just because I’m sarcastic doesn’t make me a dick. And yet whenever I make a sarcastic comment you pop up to attack me and call me rude and snide.

(I would report you again for harassment but apparently the mods are getting lazy and don’t care to do anything about the fact that you consistently have it out for me with seemingly no reason beyond I have a different opinion on a movie than you)

Pack it in lads.

If either of you have any concerns or issues you can always ask for mod.

Just fixed that one thing, I hope I wasn’t out of line. 😉

DrDre said:

I’ve been thinking about why the idea, that TLJ didn’t answer questions like “where does Snoke come from?” is important to me in the overall appreciation, or lack thereof of the ST to me, and possibly others. My answer is, that providing answers like that provides meaning both in the context of what came before, but perhaps even more importantly to the future final installment of the nine part saga. What do I mean by this? Let me explain…

The ST is a soft reboot of sorts. ROTJ ended with a seemingly final victory at the battle of Endor, where freedom is restored to the galaxy, Anakin Skywalker is redeemed, and Luke is to pass on what he has learned. In TFA and particulary in TLJ that hard fought victory is mostly undone both on a personal and on a large scale level. In of itself this is not necessarily an issue, although the fact that the galaxy at large regresses back to an OT type conflict between a small rebel force and a large tyranny does not provide an original and/or natural progression of the story in my view, but that’s not the issue, I want to address here. The issue I want to raise, is one of meaning. What is the meaning of the victory at Endor, and by extension what will the meaning be of the supposed final victory at the end of the future episode IX? If the victory at the end of episode IX is to have any meaning for me, I need to get a sense of why our classic heroes failed to deliver a lasting peace, and why I should have faith in a positive outcome this time around. For this scenario to work in my mind, Snoke needs to be an anomaly, a unique individual, who through his great talents and power combined with some unique circumstances was able to destroy everything our heroes fought for, and corrupt their off-spring. It’s not enough for Snoke to be some random Force user who just happens to undo the outcome of the OT for the purpose of franchise extension. If that’s the case, what’s to stop some other powerful Force user from just undoing the victory of the next generation of heroes? If a major victory is to have any meaning, it should not just be wiped out of existence mostly off-screen with the explanation, that some random evil dude was somehow able to reverse three films worth of plot development, and secure the services of Darth Vader Jr. For me that does not provide a convincing overarching narrative. In my view it not only weakens the journey of the heroes of the OT, but the journey of the ST characters as well. Johnson has stated about Snoke:

“What I knew was that in this film, similar to with the Emperor in the original trilogy, it’s just not what this story is about. And the Emperor in the original trilogy, you know nothing about him. Because you don’t have to! It’s not what it’s about.”

This argument would be fine, if the ST stood on its own, and was presented as largely being simply a reimagening of the OT, a remake of sorts, but it is not. It is meant to be a continuation of a larger story, where Snoke is apparently the linchpin between the alleged victory at the end of the OT, and the tragedy witnessed in the ST. After seeing TLJ that linchpin turns out to be little more than Scotch tape.

You are touching on the issues I have with the First Order. IMO the First Order should’ve been portrayed as using deception, guerilla tactics, infiltration and so on, after all they only possess a fraction of the power the Empire possessed, and instead of being lead by a random Force-wielder (in this case Snoke) it should have been lead by a Council of former high-ranking Imperial leaders, both military and political, who have been forced to adapt to fight under their apparent weak state, with ties to New Republic senators who are subtly using their influence to provide them with intel and resources, and they have been slowly gaining a foothold by conquering seemingly unimportant worlds without drawing suspicion. If Snoke needed to be present at all it should have been in an advisory role of sorts, not as “Supreme Leader”, because like I posted earlier, it doesn’t make sense that the imperial remnant would pledge their loyalty to some random Force wielder with no previous ties to the Empire. Instead, we have a First Order with fleets of Star Destroyers, TIE Fighters and even more bafflingly, the resources to build A THIRD DEATH STAR, about ten times the size of the original. WTF?

adywan said:

Short TLJ VFX breakdown for the opening bombing run:

https://youtu.be/q6FXNz-eYv0

And an article on the user interface designs used in TLJ:

https://www.wired.com/story/star-wars-last-jedi-user-interfaces/

I love seeing these kinds of things, very nice.

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

sorry for any inconveniences, i didn’t take it in a mean way whatsoever. i guess star wars is a delicate topic for all of us 😃

We need more Collipso’s in this world.

I for one welcome our new green robot overlords.

DrDre said:

I’ve been thinking about why the idea, that TLJ didn’t answer questions like “where does Snoke come from?” is important to me in the overall appreciation, or lack thereof of the ST to me, and possibly others. My answer is, that providing answers like that provides meaning both in the context of what came before, but perhaps even more importantly to the future final installment of the nine part saga.

While I don’t think explaining Snoke was really necessary for this film, I appreciate you writing your thoughts out on why it bothered you. I shortly felt the same way as you, and I think this is the main reason why a lot of people felt the same way.

I don’t know if Snoke will even be mentioned in IX, but if I were to speculate, I think the next animated series after Rebels will be set between 6 and 7, and Snoke will be one of things explored in that series.

I think down the road people could see it like they do The Clone Wars, which for a lot of people adds a lot more value to the prequels. Spending several seasons with the aging legacy characters and a young Ben Solo could add even more context and emotional resonance to the sequel trilogy.

You could totally argue that we shouldn’t have to get this seemingly important information for the films from a TV show, but I think that gets into a bigger debate on if certain information is really necessary or not in the main films. I don’t know honestly. For some, yes, for others, maybe not.

But as far as how Snoke came out of nowhere and undid the victory Han, Luke and Leia fought so hard for, the linchpin/scotch tape of the Original Trilogy victory, as you say, I think will be answered in the next animated series.

Then again, I could be completely wrong.

If this animated series never comes to fruition and you, or someone else, isn’t really satisfied with what was given, it would be interesting to see what could be done in a fan edit. Provide more context, or give him a new identity. There’s still a lot of mystery surrounding Snoke and the First Order, so honestly I would say just believe in your headcanon until a solid answer is introduced in the canon through a series or some novel.

fmalover said:

You are touching on the issues I have with the First Order. IMO the First Order should’ve been portrayed as using deception, guerilla tactics, infiltration and so on, after all they only possess a fraction of the power the Empire possessed, and instead of being lead by a random Force-wielder (in this case Snoke) it should have been lead by a Council of former high-ranking Imperial leaders, both military and political, who have been forced to adapt to fight under their apparent weak state, with ties to New Republic senators who are subtly using their influence to provide them with intel and resources, and they have been slowly gaining a foothold by conquering seemingly unimportant worlds without drawing suspicion.

I also can understand your issues with the First Order. Honestly, this is another reason why I hope they do make a show set between 6-7. The Sequel Trilogy will be over by the time it’ll probably start, so there won’t be as much need for secrecy, and maybe we’ll get more details on how the First Order came to be.

While I agree that seeing them as more of antagonistic underdogs would’ve also been cool, it’s not what we got, so we have to look at what’s been presented and fill in the gaps. While I could speculate on how things might be closer to what you imagined than it appears, it’d probably be better to see what the conclusion of the trilogy (or a possible series) gives us.

I totally understand you guys. Just trying to give my optimistic thoughts on the matter.

I remember at the time of TFA, JJ said something like “every SW movie needs a cantina”. It’s not a big deal I guess, but it feels like this is the overall mentality that has been applied to these films rather than any need to tell a coherent story. In the case of Snoke, clearly JJ and Kasdan were thinking “every SW movie needs an Emperor” (not to mention an Empire, a Death Star, a Tatooine, a Hoth, a Dagobah cave scene etc etc etc) without much thought beyond the visual aesthetic of such a character.

Don’t get me wrong, I like these new films, but my ‘head-canon’ seems to be veering towards seeing them as interesting alternate interpretations of SW and TESB (with a dash of ROTJ) rather than legitimate continuations of the OT.

darthrush said:

Shopping Maul said:

I remember at the time of TFA, JJ said something like “every SW movie needs a cantina”. It’s not a big deal I guess, but it feels like this is the overall mentality that has been applied to these films rather than any need to tell a coherent story. In the case of Snoke, clearly JJ and Kasdan were thinking “every SW movie needs an Emperor” (not to mention an Empire, a Death Star, a Tatooine, a Hoth, a Dagobah cave scene etc etc etc) without much thought beyond the visual aesthetic of such a character.

Don’t get me wrong, I like these new films, but my ‘head-canon’ seems to be veering towards seeing them as interesting alternate interpretations of SW and TESB (with a dash of ROTJ) rather than legitimate continuations of the OT.

It’s odd to me since I consider TFA to be a soft reboot that starts the franchise out in a similar fashion and then the Last Jedi takes it somewhere different.

TLJ is basically an alternate TESB while TFA is basically a retelling of SW with the same exact story beats etc.

TPM and AotC borrowed elements from SW and TESB respectively too, but not to the extent of the ST. That’s really making the ST seem pointless imo.

But I do get what you’re saying.

Did you just imply that the ST is more pointless than the prequels???

Uh… no. I implied they borrow more from the OT than the PT did.

Edit: in fact I explicitly said it.

You explicitly stated that borrowing from the OT makes the ST seem pointless and in the same breath you said that the PT borrowed less so…

Hum. The PT seems less pointless than the ST, now that I stopped to think about it.

The PT is the answers to never asked questions (or questions that if we knew what the answer would be would never have been asked) and the ST is (???).

Okay so now you actually are saying that. Jesus