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Warbler said:

yhwx said:

I’m gonna quote some more because he said it better than I could.

This world-weary prediction of inaction is pernicious. It demoralizes those who are actually motivated to fight against gun violence. And it lets off the hook those who are opposed to reform.

By declaring any new effort doomed to fail, defeatist liberals spare their opponents from even having to go on record in their opposition, from having to actually make the arguments for protecting the gun lobby.

Meanwhile, one of the purple-state Republicans who voted no, NH’s Kelly Ayotte, lost in 2016 in a race in which the pro-reform groups went after her for her vote against background checks. No longer is voting with the NRA the obvious safe tack for a self-interested politician.

Or look at Virginia, the home of the NRA. In recent years, Northam, McAuliffe and Kaine have all won statewide elections despite their NRA F-ratings and outspoken calls for stronger gun laws.

But now a new generation may be showing a different way. The burgeoning outrage of so many students post-Parkland is, among other things, a rebuke to liberals who had given up the fight.
It won’t be an easy fight. But the worst odds of all lie in declaring any effort hopeless.

If an effort is in fact hopeless, I see no wrong in declaring it so.

Doing allows you to focus on an effort that might not be hopeless and might save lives, like putting police in schools.

It is not the preferred solution, but, if it is what can get passed and can save lives . . .

Focus on what you can do.

It’s not hopeless.

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Collipso said:

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suspiciouscoffee said:

I’m in high school. I have many wonderful teachers. I don’t think any of them should be armed. Some of my teachers, and again, I love them, can hardly even operate a DVD player. I do not want any of them to be given firearms.

police officers that are extremely well trained and especially for a school environment and whom had been extremely background checked?

I’ve never even heard of such specimen.

Then let’s invent something new.

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Warbler said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

I’m in high school. I have many wonderful teachers. I don’t think any of them should be armed. Some of my teachers, and again, I love them, can hardly even operate a DVD player. I do not want any of them to be given firearms.

What about police officers that are extremely well trained and especially for a school environment and whom had been extremely background checked?

yhwx said:

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157761427787777

Every time another one of these mass shootings happen - right when the Republicans start telling us that the answer is more guns, guns for everyone, guns for teachers, guns for students - I think about Chris Kyle.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157915056803840

Chris Kyle was the American Sniper guy - a highly decorated Navy Seal sniper with 150 confirmed kills in the Iraq War. Whatever else is true about him, he definitely was very good at shooting guns and used to being in combat environments.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964158367697723392

Kyle knew that the man he was with was dangerous. He knew he was armed - he armed him! To the degree that anyone could be forewarned and prepared for a situation, Kyle was. And yet the other guy shot two armed and trained men dead, got in a car and drove away.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964158835043774470

Today a bunch of men are going to go to a gun store and they’re going to buy their third or 10th or 25th gun, because this scares them, and they think the gun is going to keep them safe.

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yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

I’m gonna quote some more because he said it better than I could.

This world-weary prediction of inaction is pernicious. It demoralizes those who are actually motivated to fight against gun violence. And it lets off the hook those who are opposed to reform.

By declaring any new effort doomed to fail, defeatist liberals spare their opponents from even having to go on record in their opposition, from having to actually make the arguments for protecting the gun lobby.

Meanwhile, one of the purple-state Republicans who voted no, NH’s Kelly Ayotte, lost in 2016 in a race in which the pro-reform groups went after her for her vote against background checks. No longer is voting with the NRA the obvious safe tack for a self-interested politician.

Or look at Virginia, the home of the NRA. In recent years, Northam, McAuliffe and Kaine have all won statewide elections despite their NRA F-ratings and outspoken calls for stronger gun laws.

But now a new generation may be showing a different way. The burgeoning outrage of so many students post-Parkland is, among other things, a rebuke to liberals who had given up the fight.
It won’t be an easy fight. But the worst odds of all lie in declaring any effort hopeless.

If an effort is in fact hopeless, I see no wrong in declaring it so.

Doing allows you to focus on an effort that might not be hopeless and might save lives, like putting police in schools.

It is not the preferred solution, but, if it is what can get passed and can save lives . . .

Focus on what you can do.

It’s not hopeless.

It has been tried again and again and again and failed. There too many politicians in the NRA’s back pocket. Too much opposition from the right. It would probably take a Constitutional amendment altering the 2nd amendment which has no chance of happening. What you don’t realize is that some on the right would go to war to prevent guns from being banned. I mean a real actual war. In meantime we ignore what we could get done that could save lives, things that the right may actually support.

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Collipso said:

Warbler said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

I’m in high school. I have many wonderful teachers. I don’t think any of them should be armed. Some of my teachers, and again, I love them, can hardly even operate a DVD player. I do not want any of them to be given firearms.

police officers that are extremely well trained and especially for a school environment and whom had been extremely background checked?

I’ve never even heard of such specimen.

TBH I’m not sure how the security guard at my school would have checked those various boxes, but even if security guards are not necessarily the solution, they’re not necessarily bad. The guy at my school was a former cop, but seemed to do very well with the whole “beat cop” thing. Walking around, chatting and joking with kids, knowing their names, gaining their trust and respect. Definitely never got called in to deal with regular school discipline issues, was strictly for security. Which, to be honest, meant I can’t think of a time he actually did anything security-related beyond breaking up the occasional fistfight, but that’s how security is. Most of the time, you’re paying people just to be there. Unfortunately I think this guy and his relationship with the school was pretty exceptional. I hear a lot about other security guards who get dragged into student discipline, and that’s a bad road to go down. But so’s the “sit at your desk and watch cameras all day and none of the kids even know who you are” option. There’s a lot of ways to do security wrong.

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yhwx said:

Warbler said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

I’m in high school. I have many wonderful teachers. I don’t think any of them should be armed. Some of my teachers, and again, I love them, can hardly even operate a DVD player. I do not want any of them to be given firearms.

What about police officers that are extremely well trained and especially for a school environment and whom had been extremely background checked?

yhwx said:

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157761427787777

Every time another one of these mass shootings happen - right when the Republicans start telling us that the answer is more guns, guns for everyone, guns for teachers, guns for students - I think about Chris Kyle.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157915056803840

Chris Kyle was the American Sniper guy - a highly decorated Navy Seal sniper with 150 confirmed kills in the Iraq War. Whatever else is true about him, he definitely was very good at shooting guns and used to being in combat environments.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964158367697723392

Kyle knew that the man he was with was dangerous. He knew he was armed - he armed him! To the degree that anyone could be forewarned and prepared for a situation, Kyle was. And yet the other guy shot two armed and trained men dead, got in a car and drove away.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964158835043774470

Today a bunch of men are going to go to a gun store and they’re going to buy their third or 10th or 25th gun, because this scares them, and they think the gun is going to keep them safe.

You tell me in which scenario does a nut with gun have a better chance at killing a lot of people.

  1. Going into a school where no one is armed.
  2. Going into a police station full of armed cops.
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Depends on what you’re trying to do. NY enacted an extensive gun control law that has been upheld. California’s 10 waiting period has been upheld. If the goal is to outlaw a common type of gun that will obviously run into significant opposition, setting aside the NRA and the 2nd Amendment.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

I’m in high school. I have many wonderful teachers. I don’t think any of them should be armed. Some of my teachers, and again, I love them, can hardly even operate a DVD player. I do not want any of them to be given firearms.

What about police officers that are extremely well trained and especially for a school environment and whom had been extremely background checked?

yhwx said:

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157761427787777

Every time another one of these mass shootings happen - right when the Republicans start telling us that the answer is more guns, guns for everyone, guns for teachers, guns for students - I think about Chris Kyle.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157915056803840

Chris Kyle was the American Sniper guy - a highly decorated Navy Seal sniper with 150 confirmed kills in the Iraq War. Whatever else is true about him, he definitely was very good at shooting guns and used to being in combat environments.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964158367697723392

Kyle knew that the man he was with was dangerous. He knew he was armed - he armed him! To the degree that anyone could be forewarned and prepared for a situation, Kyle was. And yet the other guy shot two armed and trained men dead, got in a car and drove away.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964158835043774470

Today a bunch of men are going to go to a gun store and they’re going to buy their third or 10th or 25th gun, because this scares them, and they think the gun is going to keep them safe.

You tell me in which scenario does a nut with gun have a better can at killing a lot of people.

  1. Going into a school where no one is armed.
  2. Going into a police station full of armed cops.

Or instead of hypotheticals, let’s use real numbers:

23 percent of emergency department shootings involved a perpetrator taking a gun from a security officer

But that’s in hospitals. Maybe schools are different.

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CatBus said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

I’m in high school. I have many wonderful teachers. I don’t think any of them should be armed. Some of my teachers, and again, I love them, can hardly even operate a DVD player. I do not want any of them to be given firearms.

What about police officers that are extremely well trained and especially for a school environment and whom had been extremely background checked?

yhwx said:

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157761427787777

Every time another one of these mass shootings happen - right when the Republicans start telling us that the answer is more guns, guns for everyone, guns for teachers, guns for students - I think about Chris Kyle.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964157915056803840

Chris Kyle was the American Sniper guy - a highly decorated Navy Seal sniper with 150 confirmed kills in the Iraq War. Whatever else is true about him, he definitely was very good at shooting guns and used to being in combat environments.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964158367697723392

Kyle knew that the man he was with was dangerous. He knew he was armed - he armed him! To the degree that anyone could be forewarned and prepared for a situation, Kyle was. And yet the other guy shot two armed and trained men dead, got in a car and drove away.

https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/964158835043774470

Today a bunch of men are going to go to a gun store and they’re going to buy their third or 10th or 25th gun, because this scares them, and they think the gun is going to keep them safe.

You tell me in which scenario does a nut with gun have a better can at killing a lot of people.

  1. Going into a school where no one is armed.
  2. Going into a police station full of armed cops.

Or instead of hypotheticals, let’s use real numbers:

23 percent of emergency department shootings involved a perpetrator taking a gun from a security officer

But that’s in hospitals. Maybe schools are different.

that is good info.

but also keep in mind the opposite situation.

You tell me in which scenario does a nut without gun have a better can at killing a lot of people.

  1. Going into a school where no one is armed.
  2. Going into a police station full of armed cops.

It would be the second one, where said nut has the opportunity to get a gun. in the first one, he would be stuck with the can only, which isn’t very deadly.

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Maybe we shouldn’t make our schools like prisons? Just maybe?

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yhwx said:

https://www.caseyliss.com/2018/2/17/no-putting-more-guns-in-schools-is-not-a-good-idea-you-friggin-morons

I wonder if Trump (or those advocating putting more guns into schools) gave any thought to these type of questions or scenarios before opening his mouth.

Sadly, I think we know the answer to that mate.

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Chyron on CNN: “Trump blames video games, movies for violence by youth.”

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yhwx said:

Chyron on CNN: “Trump blames video games, movies for violence by youth.”

The important question is, now that you’ve seen him on CNN, does he look like he’s 39?

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CatBus said:

yhwx said:

Chyron on CNN: “Trump blames video games, movies for violence by youth.”

The important question is, now that you’ve seen him on CNN, does he look like he’s 39?

He he.

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yhwx said:

Chyron on CNN: “Trump blames video games, movies for violence by youth.”

What? What are you talking about?

JEDIT: Wait… you’re talking about what’s-his-face who said violence in [media] has desensitized our culture? I don’t disagree with that but it doesn’t, by itself, make people violent. If anything it just makes the rest of us less likely to do anything in response when something violent happens.

But I would never blame violence specifically in video games, given that I myself am a gamer.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron | ˈkīrän |
noun trademark
an electronically generated caption superimposed on a television or movie screen.

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chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Chyron on CNN: “Trump blames video games, movies for violence by youth.”

What?

What are you talking about?

The little banner at the bottom of a news program used to rotate headlines, also known as a chyron.

EDIT: Never try to outpost yhwx. Never.

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yhwx said:

chyron | ˈkīrän |
noun trademark
an electronically generated caption superimposed on a television or movie screen.

Oh. Okay then.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron | ˈkīrän |
noun trademark
an electronically generated caption superimposed on a television or movie screen.

Oh. Okay then.

How’d you choose your username?

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Oh my god.

It’s like if you guys had to define for me what a television is.

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TV’s Frink said:

Oh my god.

It’s like if you guys had to define for me what a television is.

Wait. Are you telling us you’re not Tuvalu’s Frink? You’re Television’s Frink?!?

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yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron | ˈkīrän |
noun trademark
an electronically generated caption superimposed on a television or movie screen.

Oh. Okay then.

How’d you choose your username?

I basically took it from a movie. The rest of the relevant explanation is a dumb story because the movie is awful and I was a teenager with silly ideas.

The movie I took it from is Lawnmower Man 2, and the primary turns-out-to-be-the-antagonist is going to use the “Chiron chip” to take over the world.

I didn’t know how it was spelled until I already picked the name and started using it everywhere.

 
I would like to honestly say it’s because Chiron is the name of the centaur who trains Hercules (and Jason, et al.) because that sounds cooler but it wouldn’t be true.

My friend and I liked the first movie (which is not awful) because it was about using VR to improve the capabilities of the human mind. (Nevermind that the person who gains mental abilities goes psycho and kills everyone.) I always thought the sequel was bad, but I just liked the name Chyron [sic] so I took it for myself.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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CatBus said:

TV’s Frink said:

Oh my god.

It’s like if you guys had to define for me what a television is.

Wait. Are you telling us you’re not Tuvalu’s Frink? You’re Television’s Frink?!?

I’m not telling you anything.

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TV’s Frink said:

CatBus said:

TV’s Frink said:

Oh my god.

It’s like if you guys had to define for me what a television is.

Wait. Are you telling us you’re not Tuvalu’s Frink? You’re Television’s Frink?!?

I’m not telling you anything.

Well then I’ll keep imagining you in a grass skirt.

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