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dahmage said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

yotsuya said:

How is Leia a princess?

When a prince and a woman love each other very much, they get “married” and the woman becomes a princess.

Actually, Leia is a princess because her adoptive mother was a queen.

It is not explained in the films. But as has been said, Warb, just because something is left unexplained does not mean it is unexplainable. Before you call out TLJ for not explaining things you wish it had, I suggest you read the novel because it might answer those questions.

again, the novels aren’t canon.

They are if they are.

huh?

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Warbler said:

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I thought Yoda was just guiding the lightning not creating it.

sure looked like he created it to me.

Big difference between manipulating the weather to create lighting and firing it out of your fingertips. It’s been suggested in the past Yoda used the Force to make sure Luke crashed in just the right spot on Dagobah. That was some choppy weather he hit coming into the atmosphere.

I don’t think he just manipulated the weather.

Well then, frankly, that’s your problem.

sheesh.

What else could it be?

lightening created by ghost Yoda via the force?

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adywan said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

I thought Yoda was just guiding the lightning not creating it.

sure looked like he created it to me.

Big difference between manipulating the weather to create lighting and firing it out of your fingertips. It’s been suggested in the past Yoda used the Force to make sure Luke crashed in just the right spot on Dagobah. That was some choppy weather he hit coming into the atmosphere.

I don’t think he just manipulated the weather.

And yet he did. There is a wide shot where you see the storm clouds above the island and you can see the lightning coming out of the clouds around the island and not just the bolt that strikes the tree. Have you seen the film just the once? Because it seems like you just missed that bit, but you’re refusing to listen to people that have seen the film multiple times or noticed what was happening.

I’ll be glad when the blu-ray comes out so we can post screenshots.

there is nothing in the movie that says force ghosts require storm clouds to bring down lightening.

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Mrebo said:

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DominicCobb said:

The problem, warb (and others), is there’s some ambiguity and you’re taking that ambiguity and assuming automatically that it must be an inconsistency, whereas you could just as easily explore all the other possible explanations for it. Just because it’s not explained doesn’t mean it’s unexplainable. Movies, and Star Wars especially, are all about the possible, not the impossible. So to go right to the latter is essentially watching it wrong.

But sometimes things do need to be explained. Again if in the next movie Han(not a ghost) suddenly walked into a room, wouldn’t that require an explanation?

What if in a future movie it is found out that sith can appear as force ghosts and kill people, wouldn’t it need to be explained why we haven’t seen that before, why dead Emperor, Maul, and Dooku don’t come back force ghosts can get revenge?

Trying to explain spiritual happenings leads to dumbness. Like Dom says there is a difference between ambiguity and inconsistency. The truth is we know very little about the Star Wars afterlife.

When we are talking about a power that would have made sense to use in the OT and wasn’t it is an inconsistency.

Even accepting your view that Yoda made the lightning, that’s not an inconsistency, just a possible missed opportunity.

oh come on.

But it may be that Force ghosts are limited in where they can show up.

This is never said in the movie.

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You’re unhappy ghost Yoda conjured up lightening but never did/could before. You ask for an explanation from the movie. We give it to you. You say that’s dumb. It’s the force. He shouldn’t need existing clouds. You just came full circle. Just try to work through the logic.

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I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

I thought Yoda was just guiding the lightning not creating it.

sure looked like he created it to me.

Big difference between manipulating the weather to create lighting and firing it out of your fingertips. It’s been suggested in the past Yoda used the Force to make sure Luke crashed in just the right spot on Dagobah. That was some choppy weather he hit coming into the atmosphere.

I don’t think he just manipulated the weather.

And yet he did. There is a wide shot where you see the storm clouds above the island and you can see the lightning coming out of the clouds around the island and not just the bolt that strikes the tree. Have you seen the film just the once? Because it seems like you just missed that bit, but you’re refusing to listen to people that have seen the film multiple times or noticed what was happening.

I’ll be glad when the blu-ray comes out so we can post screenshots.

there is nothing in the movie that says force ghosts require storm clouds to bring down lightening.

You mean apart from the fact that the lightning emanated from the storm clouds and not just magically appeared from thin air or from a cloudless sky? That’s a visual explanation right there. Yoda manipulates the weather.

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Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

  1. the minor interaction with surroundings we see in ROTJ don’t matter near as much as finding out that force ghost Obiwan and Yoda maybe could have appeared before the Emperor and Vader and zapped them.

But Yoda didn’t just zap the tree out of thin air like the force lighting the Emperor uses. This has already been explained to you.

Whatever you want to call it, it sure would have been nice if had used it on the Emperor in ROTJ after Yoda died.

Please point me to the scene in the Emperors throne room where there were storm clouds over head so we could have had the same lightning and then i’d agree with you.

He needs storm clouds? That is never explained. What if in a future movie a force user does it without storm clouds, then can I ask why force ghost Yoda doesn’t zap the Emperor in ROTJ?

The point is that we can draw these inferences about what we did see. We don’t need to exactly pin it down. Does the idea that Yoda could influence the path of lightning bother you?

no. However if it would have been convenient to influence the path of lightning at some point in the OT and he didn’t, that would bother me.

Lets say in some future movie, force users can force transport themselves wherever they want. Now, wouldn’t you then question why Obiwan didn’t do this in TPM and get past the shield in the Maul fight?

Obviously.

As others have said, we can infer that Yoda simply affected the path of the lightning. If Yoda did show up in Snoke’s thrown room and start pulling lightning down…well then I’d agree with you. But what actually happened in this film was far more constrained than that.

maybe, but the movie never says he needs storm clouds.

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Warbler said:

  1. You can either offer an explanation to make it make sense or you can take it out of the movie.

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

yotsuya said:

How is Leia a princess?

When a prince and a woman love each other very much, they get “married” and the woman becomes a princess.

Actually, Leia is a princess because her adoptive mother was a queen.

It is not explained in the films. But as has been said, Warb, just because something is left unexplained does not mean it is unexplainable. Before you call out TLJ for not explaining things you wish it had, I suggest you read the novel because it might answer those questions.

again, [explanations] aren’t canon.

If it’s not in the movie, then you apparently don’t accept it as canon. If you don’t accept novels as canon, you also won’t accept our explanation as canon. If you don’t accept our explanation as canon, and you only accept canon, then why do you want explanation?

If you only want to complain because there is no in-film explanation, then that’s your own fault for not accepting external sources of information as relevant. You choose to not accept them.

It is not the movie’s fault. It is by your own choice.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

The problem, warb (and others), is there’s some ambiguity and you’re taking that ambiguity and assuming automatically that it must be an inconsistency, whereas you could just as easily explore all the other possible explanations for it. Just because it’s not explained doesn’t mean it’s unexplainable. Movies, and Star Wars especially, are all about the possible, not the impossible. So to go right to the latter is essentially watching it wrong.

But sometimes things do need to be explained. Again if in the next movie Han(not a ghost) suddenly walked into a room, wouldn’t that require an explanation?

What if in a future movie it is found out that sith can appear as force ghosts and kill people, wouldn’t it need to be explained why we haven’t seen that before, why dead Emperor, Maul, and Dooku don’t come back force ghosts can get revenge?

Trying to explain spiritual happenings leads to dumbness. Like Dom says there is a difference between ambiguity and inconsistency. The truth is we know very little about the Star Wars afterlife.

When we are talking about a power that would have made sense to use in the OT and wasn’t it is an inconsistency.

Even accepting your view that Yoda made the lightning, that’s not an inconsistency, just a possible missed opportunity.

oh come on.

That response was positively Frinkesque or Frinky, if you prefer.

But it may be that Force ghosts are limited in where they can show up.

This is never said in the movie.

That is why I said “may.”

It was never said in the movie why the Death Star didn’t just shoot Yavin instead of waiting half an hour to get around it. It was never said why the Stormtroopers didn’t make sure the heroes were dead after they jumped into the trash compacter. In both cases, we can come up with reasonable inferences.

The blue elephant in the room.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

  1. the minor interaction with surroundings we see in ROTJ don’t matter near as much as finding out that force ghost Obiwan and Yoda maybe could have appeared before the Emperor and Vader and zapped them.

But Yoda didn’t just zap the tree out of thin air like the force lighting the Emperor uses. This has already been explained to you.

Whatever you want to call it, it sure would have been nice if had used it on the Emperor in ROTJ after Yoda died.

Please point me to the scene in the Emperors throne room where there were storm clouds over head so we could have had the same lightning and then i’d agree with you.

He needs storm clouds? That is never explained. What if in a future movie a force user does it without storm clouds, then can I ask why force ghost Yoda doesn’t zap the Emperor in ROTJ?

The fact that there are storm clouds coming in overhead and the lightning comes from those clouds that we clearly see in the film, isn’t enough to explain where the lightning comes from? What more did you need? Ric Olie suddenly popping his head from behind a rock to explain where it came from? 😉

We are talking about the force here, he doesn’t necessarily need storm clouds.

Says who? Where is this explained in a movie?

the movie never said he required storm clouds. For all know, he doesn’t need them.

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Warbler said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

  1. the minor interaction with surroundings we see in ROTJ don’t matter near as much as finding out that force ghost Obiwan and Yoda maybe could have appeared before the Emperor and Vader and zapped them.

But Yoda didn’t just zap the tree out of thin air like the force lighting the Emperor uses. This has already been explained to you.

Whatever you want to call it, it sure would have been nice if had used it on the Emperor in ROTJ after Yoda died.

Please point me to the scene in the Emperors throne room where there were storm clouds over head so we could have had the same lightning and then i’d agree with you.

He needs storm clouds? That is never explained. What if in a future movie a force user does it without storm clouds, then can I ask why force ghost Yoda doesn’t zap the Emperor in ROTJ?

The fact that there are storm clouds coming in overhead and the lightning comes from those clouds that we clearly see in the film, isn’t enough to explain where the lightning comes from? What more did you need? Ric Olie suddenly popping his head from behind a rock to explain where it came from? 😉

We are talking about the force here, he doesn’t necessarily need storm clouds.

Says who? Where is this explained in a movie?

the movie never said he required storm clouds. For all know, he doesn’t need them.

Do you even know what point you’re trying to make now cuz I certainly don’t anymore.

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Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

  1. the minor interaction with surroundings we see in ROTJ don’t matter near as much as finding out that force ghost Obiwan and Yoda maybe could have appeared before the Emperor and Vader and zapped them.

But Yoda didn’t just zap the tree out of thin air like the force lighting the Emperor uses. This has already been explained to you.

Whatever you want to call it, it sure would have been nice if had used it on the Emperor in ROTJ after Yoda died.

Please point me to the scene in the Emperors throne room where there were storm clouds over head so we could have had the same lightning and then i’d agree with you.

He needs storm clouds? That is never explained. What if in a future movie a force user does it without storm clouds, then can I ask why force ghost Yoda doesn’t zap the Emperor in ROTJ?

The point is that we can draw these inferences about what we did see. We don’t need to exactly pin it down. Does the idea that Yoda could influence the path of lightning bother you?

no. However if it would have been convenient to influence the path of lightning at some point in the OT and he didn’t, that would bother me.

Lets say in some future movie, force users can force transport themselves wherever they want. Now, wouldn’t you then question why Obiwan didn’t do this in TPM and get past the shield in the Maul fight?

Obviously.

As others have said, we can infer that Yoda simply affected the path of the lightning. If Yoda did show up in Snoke’s thrown room and start pulling lightning down…well then I’d agree with you. But what actually happened in this film was far more constrained than that.

maybe, but the movie never says he needs storm clouds.

Star Wars never explicitly “says” you need to push the button on a saber to ignite the blade. But do you doubt that’s how it works, given that’s what we’re shown?

I mean, what more do you want? Yoda saying a prayer to the rain god?

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I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

  1. the minor interaction with surroundings we see in ROTJ don’t matter near as much as finding out that force ghost Obiwan and Yoda maybe could have appeared before the Emperor and Vader and zapped them.

But Yoda didn’t just zap the tree out of thin air like the force lighting the Emperor uses. This has already been explained to you.

Whatever you want to call it, it sure would have been nice if had used it on the Emperor in ROTJ after Yoda died.

Please point me to the scene in the Emperors throne room where there were storm clouds over head so we could have had the same lightning and then i’d agree with you.

He needs storm clouds? That is never explained. What if in a future movie a force user does it without storm clouds, then can I ask why force ghost Yoda doesn’t zap the Emperor in ROTJ?

The point is that we can draw these inferences about what we did see. We don’t need to exactly pin it down. Does the idea that Yoda could influence the path of lightning bother you?

no. However if it would have been convenient to influence the path of lightning at some point in the OT and he didn’t, that would bother me.

Lets say in some future movie, force users can force transport themselves wherever they want. Now, wouldn’t you then question why Obiwan didn’t do this in TPM and get past the shield in the Maul fight?

Obviously.

As others have said, we can infer that Yoda simply affected the path of the lightning. If Yoda did show up in Snoke’s thrown room and start pulling lightning down…well then I’d agree with you. But what actually happened in this film was far more constrained than that.

maybe, but the movie never says he needs storm clouds.

It doesn’t have to. The lightening comes from the cloud, not his hand. Therefore per the film and canon, it shows Yoda manipulating the weather not using force lightening. No further explanation is necessary. Asking for more is being unreasonable.

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Alright, some action in this thread! So, I’m sorry to have to say this to my buddy, but, Warb, I’m firmly in the camp of “Why in the world do you have a problem with this to the point that you’re seriously questioning whether lightning comes from clouds?!”

You being of the Christian faith, Warb, it surprises me you haven’t considered the old adage “God works in mysterious ways.” Why did this person die in a car crash? Why is Donald Trump President? Why is there disease and famine in the world? We really don’t know. But there are some things that are accepted through faith. That is a huge tenant of most spiritual doctrine, and Star Wars has never been any different in that regard. And since fiction writers, like all of us, are never really up and up on all the mysteries of the cosmos, works of spiritualism and faith tend to wade in the waters of ambiguity.

The afterlife of Star Wars is not something we know much about. It’s not something we’ve ever known much about. And while I enjoy consistency as much as the next rabid nerd, explaining everything about what is essentially magic would rob it of its, well, magic. As such, the writer has a balancing act between having things make consistent, logical sense and forcing him/herself to completely chart the unknowable.

I know you brought it up to compare canon, but I think your comparing Star Trek to Star Wars in that sense is a problem, since those two franchises explicitly handle canon in different ways. But I think it also illuminates that you might be looking at Star Wars through too much of a Star Trek lens in other ways. Star Trek, while often fantastical, is at least rooted in the ideas and principles of science. Phenomena can be observed and explained. Star Wars is not even remotely based in science. There’s nothing fun or interesting in a romantic space swashbuckling film about the logistical sense of the actions of ghosts.

I’m not saying that should give them free reign to literally have them do anything, but I don’t think “lightning comes from clouds,” when we see the lightning come from the clouds, is too much a stretch to make, nor does it require an explanation.

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chyron8472 said:

We don’t need to have everything explained by the film. There are other non-film sources with which to draw on for relevant information to people who would care.

Those other sources aren’t canon.

Actually, yeah, they are. Unless they were published before the Legends EU rebranding.

I am pretty sure the novels are not canon. If they are, explain the differences between the novels and the movies.

The novels are canon - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon#2014_reboot

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_books#js

well dialogue in the novelizations of the movies better match with the movies word for word or you’ve inconsistency. If the dialogue differs what did the character say, what is written in the book or what is said in the movie?

example ROTJ

in the book the Emperor says “Your puerile skills are no match for the power of the dark side”

in the movie the Emperor says “You feeble skills are no match for the power of the dark side”

yet both sources are canon. So which did the emperor say?

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dahmage said:

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Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

  1. the minor interaction with surroundings we see in ROTJ don’t matter near as much as finding out that force ghost Obiwan and Yoda maybe could have appeared before the Emperor and Vader and zapped them.

But Yoda didn’t just zap the tree out of thin air like the force lighting the Emperor uses. This has already been explained to you.

Whatever you want to call it, it sure would have been nice if had used it on the Emperor in ROTJ after Yoda died.

Please point me to the scene in the Emperors throne room where there were storm clouds over head so we could have had the same lightning and then i’d agree with you.

He needs storm clouds? That is never explained. What if in a future movie a force user does it without storm clouds, then can I ask why force ghost Yoda doesn’t zap the Emperor in ROTJ?

The fact that there are storm clouds coming in overhead and the lightning comes from those clouds that we clearly see in the film, isn’t enough to explain where the lightning comes from? What more did you need? Ric Olie suddenly popping his head from behind a rock to explain where it came from? 😉

We are talking about the force here, he doesn’t necessarily need storm clouds.

Says who? Where is this explained in a movie?

the movie never said he required storm clouds. For all know, he doesn’t need them.

Do you even know what point you’re trying to make now cuz I certainly don’t anymore.

The point he’s trying to make is there are inconsistencies he finds in the film, but he chooses not to accept any information to explain those inconsistencies other than the film itself. So any explanation we give is invalid if the movie doesn’t irrefutably corroborate it.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

You’re unhappy ghost Yoda conjured up lightening but never did/could before. You ask for an explanation from the movie. We give it to you. You say that’s dumb.

I didn’t use the word dumb.

It’s the force. He shouldn’t need existing clouds.

no I am saying it is force, so for all we know he doesn’t need existing clouds.

You just came full circle. Just try to work through the logic.

huh?

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Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

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I thought Yoda was just guiding the lightning not creating it.

sure looked like he created it to me.

Big difference between manipulating the weather to create lighting and firing it out of your fingertips. It’s been suggested in the past Yoda used the Force to make sure Luke crashed in just the right spot on Dagobah. That was some choppy weather he hit coming into the atmosphere.

I don’t think he just manipulated the weather.

And yet he did. There is a wide shot where you see the storm clouds above the island and you can see the lightning coming out of the clouds around the island and not just the bolt that strikes the tree. Have you seen the film just the once? Because it seems like you just missed that bit, but you’re refusing to listen to people that have seen the film multiple times or noticed what was happening.

I’ll be glad when the blu-ray comes out so we can post screenshots.

there is nothing in the movie that says force ghosts require storm clouds to bring down lightening.

You mean apart from the fact that the lightning emanated from the storm clouds and not just magically appeared from thin air or from a cloudless sky? That’s a visual explanation right there. Yoda manipulates the weather.

maybe.

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And one possible explanation (which the movie hints at but doesn’t state) is that Luke could have uncovered some lost skills. The force ghosts could have as well. Luke has access to the ancient texts. How? This is the first Jedi Temple. We never heard of that before. It is a given that every new story could introduce new aspects that we haven’t seen before. We get new planets. Why isn’t anyone asking why we’ve never been to Crait before? It might have been convenient at some point. What made TLJ for me was the new things. That seems to be what ruined it for others.

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chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

  1. You can either offer an explanation to make it make sense or you can take it out of the movie.

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chyron8472 said:

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yotsuya said:

How is Leia a princess?

When a prince and a woman love each other very much, they get “married” and the woman becomes a princess.

Actually, Leia is a princess because her adoptive mother was a queen.

It is not explained in the films. But as has been said, Warb, just because something is left unexplained does not mean it is unexplainable. Before you call out TLJ for not explaining things you wish it had, I suggest you read the novel because it might answer those questions.

again, [explanations] aren’t canon.

If it’s not in the movie, then you apparently don’t accept it as canon. If you don’t accept novels as canon, you also won’t accept our explanation as canon. If you don’t accept our explanation as canon, and you only accept canon, then why do you want explanation?

If you only want to complain because there is no in-film explanation, then that’s your own fault for not accepting external sources of information as relevant. You choose to not accept them.

It is not the movie’s fault. It is by your own choice.

it is not unreasonable to only accept explanations that come from official canon.

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So which did the emperor say?

Why. does. it. matter???

Why? Why does it matter to you?

You might as well argue which English translation of the Bible is or isn’t valid based on the vocabulary used at the time of publication; or whether any understanding we have about God Himself not specifically written in the Bible is invalidated because the Bible doesn’t explicitly say so.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Warbler said:

adywan said:

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I thought Yoda was just guiding the lightning not creating it.

sure looked like he created it to me.

Big difference between manipulating the weather to create lighting and firing it out of your fingertips. It’s been suggested in the past Yoda used the Force to make sure Luke crashed in just the right spot on Dagobah. That was some choppy weather he hit coming into the atmosphere.

I don’t think he just manipulated the weather.

And yet he did. There is a wide shot where you see the storm clouds above the island and you can see the lightning coming out of the clouds around the island and not just the bolt that strikes the tree. Have you seen the film just the once? Because it seems like you just missed that bit, but you’re refusing to listen to people that have seen the film multiple times or noticed what was happening.

I’ll be glad when the blu-ray comes out so we can post screenshots.

there is nothing in the movie that says force ghosts require storm clouds to bring down lightening.

You mean apart from the fact that the lightning emanated from the storm clouds and not just magically appeared from thin air or from a cloudless sky? That’s a visual explanation right there. Yoda manipulates the weather.

maybe.

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yotsuya said:
Lucas gave us new force powers in nearly every film. In Episode I, Qui-gon and Obi-wan run super fast.

I’m not commenting on the discussion at hand, just simply stating that the force-run ability seen in TPM was nothing new to me when the movie first came out. Having played the PC game ‘Star Wars Jedi Knight: Dark Forces 2’, this was an ability you gained in the game along with force-jump.

That aside, it is shown in both TESB and ROTJ that the force can be used to dramatically increase your athletic abilities and while I can’t think of any clear example of force-run/speed, it is an easy extrapolation to make based on the other force enhanced abilities we do see in the movie. So I don’t see the force-run ability seen in TPM as a new ability, simply one we hadn’t seen yet on screen.

Also when you say in nearly every film, what other new force powers do you refer to in the PT?

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dahmage said:

Warbler said:

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Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

  1. the minor interaction with surroundings we see in ROTJ don’t matter near as much as finding out that force ghost Obiwan and Yoda maybe could have appeared before the Emperor and Vader and zapped them.

But Yoda didn’t just zap the tree out of thin air like the force lighting the Emperor uses. This has already been explained to you.

Whatever you want to call it, it sure would have been nice if had used it on the Emperor in ROTJ after Yoda died.

Please point me to the scene in the Emperors throne room where there were storm clouds over head so we could have had the same lightning and then i’d agree with you.

He needs storm clouds? That is never explained. What if in a future movie a force user does it without storm clouds, then can I ask why force ghost Yoda doesn’t zap the Emperor in ROTJ?

The fact that there are storm clouds coming in overhead and the lightning comes from those clouds that we clearly see in the film, isn’t enough to explain where the lightning comes from? What more did you need? Ric Olie suddenly popping his head from behind a rock to explain where it came from? 😉

We are talking about the force here, he doesn’t necessarily need storm clouds.

Says who? Where is this explained in a movie?

the movie never said he required storm clouds. For all know, he doesn’t need them.

Do you even know what point you’re trying to make now cuz I certainly don’t anymore.

when it me verses so many people? maybe I don’t what point I am trying to make anymore.

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We don’t need to have everything explained by the film. There are other non-film sources with which to draw on for relevant information to people who would care.

Those other sources aren’t canon.

Actually, yeah, they are. Unless they were published before the Legends EU rebranding.

I am pretty sure the novels are not canon. If they are, explain the differences between the novels and the movies.

The novels are canon - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon#2014_reboot

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_books#js

well dialogue in the novelizations of the movies better match with the movies word for word or you’ve inconsistency. If the dialogue differs what did the character say, what is written in the book or what is said in the movie?

example ROTJ

in the book the Emperor says “Your puerile skills are no match for the power of the dark side”

in the movie the Emperor says “You feeble skills are no match for the power of the dark side”

yet both sources are canon. So which did the emperor say?

I don’t care mate - perhaps you should address your questions on ‘dialogue differences’ to those in power that decide on these things - for an answer?

If the powers that be say the novels are canon they are canon.

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