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Dealing with People Selling Fan Projects — Page 13

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A little of both, I think.

Have reported the ebay item 😉

Pleasing to see only 1 listing on there - I would have thought there would be a few more in the run up to Christmas and the release of a new Star Wars film.

A little patience goes a long way on this old-school Rebel base. If you are having issues finding what you are looking for, these will be of some help…

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eBay is free of Despecialized as far as I can tell!

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Awesome. It took longer than I expected, but that is great news.

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We are the spark that will light the flame that will bring the eBay sellers down.

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That’s a surprising change for ebay. If that other site gets shut down, we’ll definitely know something is up.

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Darth Lucas said:

We are the spark that will light the flame that will bring the eBay sellers down.

Bring the eBay sellers down, we will. The spark, we are.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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I did search for Theatrical. Strange. Anyway, reported. These shitty Dropbox sales are the most infuriating of all. Baffling that eBay allows anything of the sort and that the MPAA and RIAA, etc, aren’t pressuring them not to.

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I wonder if the “You’re just paying for the materials and not the actual release” thing is some kind of legal loophole?

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They use it as if it were one, at least. Not sure it’d hold up if challenged, though.

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Molly said:

They use it as if it were one, at least. Not sure it’d hold up if challenged, though.

Wish that I could believe they weren’t pocketing something from it, but they obviously are.

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Oh, certainly. This is the same-old-same-old as back in the days of fansubs on VHS. Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose…

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NeverarGreat said:

While we need to do a better job at directing new members towards important information (see here for my suggestion), there will still be the problem of people unwilling/unable to burn the blu-rays and create custom sets. For those people, buying these things may be the only way they get their hands on them. And that’s a big problem.

Any solution not involving money would be quite a hassle, and the best thing I can think of is a system wherein the party requesting the blu-ray would be required to purchase their own blank blu-ray discs and send them in a package containing their copy of the relevant 2011 Blu-ray discs (as proof of purchase) and enough postage for sending it all back.

A dilemma indeed, but for most I believe easy access to the digital copy (mkv, mp4, etc.) would be good enough for most people, but the people who want a proper custom box set is the tricky part.

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Like me!

When I mentioned wanting the OUT over at the Steve Hoffman forums, I got hit with a PM not a few mintutes later advertising the company in the OP.

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I guess I have a slightly different take on this. I’ve had Harmy’s files for years, and don’t see the harm in paying for pressed discs with menus, artwork, etc. I don’t have the skill set or equipment necessary for making nice pressed discs with kick-ass artwork and animated menus.

If there are any members willing to hook me up with a set of physical Harmy discs for the cost of materials and postage, by all means contact me.

 

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BuckNaked said:

I guess I have a slightly different take on this. I’ve had Harmy’s files for years, and don’t see the harm in paying for pressed discs with menus, artwork, etc. I don’t have the skill set or equipment necessary for making nice pressed discs with kick-ass artwork and animated menus.

If there are any members willing to hook me up with a set of physical Harmy discs for the cost of materials and postage, by all means contact me.

The harm: Lucasfilm/Disney only leaves us alone because nobody is profiting and they don’t see us as a threat to their revenue. If they start to see people selling these projects, they may crack down on us harder. It’s also just morally messed up to profit off of other people’s hard work they are providing for free.

Skill: it’s not hard to do. Just need to take a few minutes to learn.

Equipment: really not expensive nowadays.

There may be members willing to do that, but again, I think it’s worth the time and small investment to learn to do it yourself.

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Not to mention that these people are lifting the menus as well, not making their own.

The markup ($80-130 price tag) obliterates any convenience or cost of materials argument. If it was $10, it would still be problematic because Disney would see it as a threat, and it is associated with us. But at least people wouldn’t be making such huge profits. These guys are printing $100 bills, effectively.

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Darth Lucas said:

The harm: Lucasfilm/Disney only leaves us alone because nobody is profiting and they don’t see us as a threat to their revenue. If they start to see people selling these projects, they may crack down on us harder. It’s also just morally messed up to profit off of other people’s hard work they are providing for free.

Skill: it’s not hard to do. Just need to take a few minutes to learn.

Equipment: really not expensive nowadays.

There may be members willing to do that, but again, I think it’s worth the time and small investment to learn to do it yourself.

I agree that it’s morally questionable for a third-party to profit off Harmy’s work. However, they are providing a service and/or product that’s not easily obtainable elsewhere. (I am specifically talking about LDS Entertainment here).

I don’t know how much their cost is for sourcing blank BD-50 discs, cases, ink, high quality paper, printers, disc authoring software, plus S&H. Maybe $60 for three discs is a bit high, but they do bear significant costs in creating the finished product. For me, a non-tekkie with an old B&W HP printer, I do see value in having a competent party author and press the discs for me with (somewhat professional) menus and artwork.

 

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They don’t bear ANY significant cost. They’ve downloaded the completed discs for FREE and are generating disgusting amounts of profit off other people’s hard work.

If their costs are higher than $5 per disc / title I’d be very shocked.

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IF they are using high quality discs i could see the costs being up to 25 a disc, but i seriously doubt they are using anything other than the cheapest printable discs they can find.

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I don’t know what kind of discs they are using other than their claim to be dual layered 50GB discs with a special water and scratch resistant coating. For me $20 per disc doesn’t seem egregious, but as I said, if a member here would like to spread some holiday cheer my way, my PM is open.

 

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BuckNaked said:

I don’t know what kind of discs they are using other than their claim to be dual layered 50GB discs with a special water and scratch resistant coating. For me $20 per disc doesn’t seem egregious, but as I said, if a member here would like to spread some holiday cheer my way, my PM is open. 😉

What, you mean something like these from Amazon - https://www.amazon.com/PlexDisc-Resistant-Printable-Blu-ray-Spindle/dp/B016LTAX7I/ - $26 for 10?

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