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Welcome to the Star Wars fandom. I think the recent RedLetterMedia review hit close to home when they point out how similar this fandom is to a political party. So much passion involved.

The Rise of Failures

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Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

SilverWook said:

If these guys aren’t all being sucked out into space, then a similar emergency field around a small door isn’t a stretch.

Seriously people, we’re nitpicking movies where you can hear sounds in space.

They can have shields that allow for open air on the exterior of the Death Star. Its’ that way when the Falcon lands in the first movie too. But in general I agree with your point, the scientific stuff doesn’t need to be nitpicked as long as its not obvious and really dumb. For instance, the asteroids in the asteroid field would never be that close together in real life. And when the Millenium Falcon flips and spins like it does when it turns around on Bespin, all of the occupants would be thrown around and probably incapacitated if not killed.

Presumably the Falcon’s artificial gravity prevents this. Just like Luke and Han can sit in the gun turrets without seatbelts even though they are facing out the top and bottom of the ship.

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SilverWook said:

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

SilverWook said:

If these guys aren’t all being sucked out into space, then a similar emergency field around a small door isn’t a stretch.

Seriously people, we’re nitpicking movies where you can hear sounds in space.

They can have shields that allow for open air on the exterior of the Death Star. Its’ that way when the Falcon lands in the first movie too. But in general I agree with your point, the scientific stuff doesn’t need to be nitpicked as long as its not obvious and really dumb. For instance, the asteroids in the asteroid field would never be that close together in real life. And when the Millenium Falcon flips and spins like it does when it turns around on Bespin, all of the occupants would be thrown around and probably incapacitated if not killed.

Presumably the Falcon’s artificial gravity prevents this. Just like Luke and Han can sit in the gun turrets without seatbelts even though they are facing out the top and bottom of the ship.

Were they? I thought they were both facing forward, but one was at the top and the other at the bottom.

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A little nice tidbit I found while browsing online is that Rian Johnson missed a detail to Luke’s death during the filming of TLJ. When Luke “became one with the force”, his robotic hand would “clunk” to the ground, and apparently he missed that. So when Luke comes back as a force ghost, he might have one hand missing. Just a little thing I wan’t to share.

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They could always dub the thunk in before it’s hits home video.

Did we actually see Ghost Anakin’s hands in ROTJ? 😉

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Since good ol’ George replaced Shaw with Hayden, it might be plausible that force ghosts can change their apperances and limbs.

EDIT: I don’t think adding a thunk cuts it. You can’t see anything when Luke disappears other than his cloak, and that sound makes it more out of place.

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Dat_SW_Guy said:

Since good ol’ George replaced Shaw with Hayden, it might be plausible that force ghosts can change their apperances and limbs.

No. No. That’s not true! That’s impossible!

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Dat_SW_Guy said:

Since good ol’ George replaced Shaw with Hayden, it might be plausible that force ghosts can change their apperances and limbs.

No. No. That’s not true! That’s impossible!

If you were been hit on the head and forgot everything about the SE, plus confined in a room wherein there are numerous pre-1997 laserdisc copies of the OUT, then I’d say its possible.

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Hayden wasn’t added until 2005. 😉

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DominicCobb said:

and by extension massively compromised and lessened both Kylo’s threat and his depth of character due to all the possible branches of story between him and Snoke that much got killed off in the process.

I don’t see how that makes any sense. If you thought he was a bigger threat than the Emperor, and then Kylo killed him, how does that make Kylo less of a threat? It does the literal opposite of that.

This doesn’t make sense to me. A child can kill a professional soldier with a knife, if that soldier doesn’t pay attention. Does this make the child more of a threat than a professional soldier? Kylo doesn’t get to kill Snoke using his cunning or abilities. He’s able to do it, because Snoke acts like a fool, and starts ranting how he can’t beaten. The scene deflates Snoke. It doesn’t inflate Kylo. It’s obvious Kylo isn’t as powerful as Snoke, or Palpatine for that matter, and doesn’t seem to display the intelligence of a character like Palpatine either. So, I don’t see how Kylo became a bigger threat personally by killing Snoke, who only died, because he had his big head up his behind. If anything the FO has become less of threat, because it’s now run by someone less powerful, who’s mentally unstable and far less intelligent.

This is why this scene narratively doesn’t make much sense to me. It’s used for shock value, but ultimately weakens the bad guys at a stage when they should seem all the more terrifying (let’s not forget TLJ also turns Hux into a big joke). Such a scene would fit better in the third film of the trilogy, when the Kylo has regained Snoke’s trust, and completed his training, becoming more mature and powerful. Now Kylo takes over just after Rey handed him a humiliating defeat, deflating him in the eyes of the viewer.

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TavorX said:

Welcome to the Star Wars fandom. I think the recent RedLetterMedia review hit close to home when they point out how similar this fandom is to a political party. So much passion involved.

On Twitch they talked about how one of them didn’t like it that much and got lots of vitriol on Twitter. Then another member said they liked it a lot and got lots of vitriol on Twitter. Star Wars everyone!

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DominicCobb said:

What’s funny to me is people complained that TFA played it too safe, now this did the opposite of that and people are still complaining.

this is too real.

“from a certain point of view?”

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Sothis said:

DominicCobb said:

What’s funny to me is people complained that TFA played it too safe, now this did the opposite of that and people are still complaining.

this is too real.

Since when is different automatically good?

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DrDre said:

Sothis said:

DominicCobb said:

What’s funny to me is people complained that TFA played it too safe, now this did the opposite of that and people are still complaining.

this is too real.

Since when is different automatically good?

Someone actually demonstrated as well how TLJ is still generally a repeat of a lot of parts TESB and some ROTJ, it’s just no where near as obvious and in your face as TFA was.

.Val

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Valheru_84 said:

DrDre said:

Sothis said:

DominicCobb said:

What’s funny to me is people complained that TFA played it too safe, now this did the opposite of that and people are still complaining.

this is too real.

Since when is different automatically good?

Someone actually demonstrated as well how TLJ is still generally a repeat of a lot of parts TESB and some ROTJ, it’s just no where near as obvious and in your face as TFA was.

.Val

Oh, it was plenty obvious…

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DrDre said:

Sothis said:

DominicCobb said:

What’s funny to me is people complained that TFA played it too safe, now this did the opposite of that and people are still complaining.

this is too real.

Since when is different automatically good?

It wasn’t - and that’s not was alluded to by neither DominicCobb or Sothis.

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Valheru_84 said:

DrDre said:

Sothis said:

DominicCobb said:

What’s funny to me is people complained that TFA played it too safe, now this did the opposite of that and people are still complaining.

this is too real.

Since when is different automatically good?

Someone actually demonstrated as well how TLJ is still generally a repeat of a lot of parts TESB and some ROTJ, it’s just no where near as obvious and in your face as TFA was.

.Val

.Val mate, a point of view in the form of a video for your consideration in regard to TFA… (done before TLJ was filmed)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pueu2wu0M5s

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oojason said:

DrDre said:

Sothis said:

DominicCobb said:

What’s funny to me is people complained that TFA played it too safe, now this did the opposite of that and people are still complaining.

this is too real.

Since when is different automatically good?

It wasn’t - and that’s not was alluded to by neither DominicCobb or Sothis.

Well the implication seems to be, people were complaining TFA is too safe, and now that things are apparently different, those same people are still not satisfied, as if those things have to be somehow related.

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If people are complaining that TFA was too safe - and now complaining that it is too different - then that is no comment on the quality (good or bad etc) of the film itself. These is no inference in their statements that ‘different is automatically good’ at all.

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Here’s my random thoughts after my recent first viewing:

Snoke’s abrupt end was a surprise and he was well animated, but he was still just grandpa in a bathrobe. I’m actually a little disappointed after seeing his over-sized hologram in TFA that he was more than a few inches tall in the flesh.

Yodas moments were nice, and a wonderful example of the younger master still needing to learn. But that puppet, holy crap it was terrible. Thumb Wars puppet terrible. I get that they wanted to build an exact replica of the ESB model using the same techniques (and somehow screwed it up) and let Frank do the puppeteering for nostalgia’s sake but this really is a situation where CGI should have been chosen over practical effects.

Leia’s spacewalk, I could take or leave. It was a nice moment for her and a good reveal of her connection to the Force, but might have meant a bit more if it were to some end other than self-preservation. Like save Ackbar or repair something outside the ship.

The lightspeed attack was spectacular and truly heroic. BUT. It would have been nice if one of those brilliant military strategists had thought of doing that earlier in the piece, before three quarters of their fleet were destroyed for absolutely nothing. This is going to make re-watches difficult.

I like the full-circle direction they’re taking the Force. In ANH and somewhat in ESB, the Force is presented as a connection between all living things, Jedi had mastered the ability to use it and, with time and patience, you could too. In subsequent films, once it was decided to make Leia and Luke related, it became a special ability only accessible to an elite few across the galaxy and perhaps their offspring. In TFA we saw Rey with her seemingly ridiculous mastery of the Force over a short period, but now in TLJ we see broom-boy casually do a force-pull, implying a genuine, wider, awakening taking place. This pretty much removes any importance in who Rey’s parents actually were (whether Kylo Ren was lying or not).

The casino brings to focus a culture of decadence that we haven’t seen before, except perhaps at the Opera in ROTS, but it’s a little too close to Earth to be convincing. Tuxedos and cups of tea took me out of the galaxy far, far away.

The porgs were cute and stayed out of the way enough not to bother me.

Luke… took an interesting arc. We now know he had no connection to the Force when Han died so some bizarre questions come up (like why did Artoo wake up at that time in TFA?).

They told me they’d fixed it!

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oojason said:

Valheru_84 said:

DrDre said:

Sothis said:

DominicCobb said:

What’s funny to me is people complained that TFA played it too safe, now this did the opposite of that and people are still complaining.

this is too real.

Since when is different automatically good?

Someone actually demonstrated as well how TLJ is still generally a repeat of a lot of parts TESB and some ROTJ, it’s just no where near as obvious and in your face as TFA was.

.Val

.Val mate, a point of view in the form of a video for your consideration in regard to TFA… (done before TLJ was filmed)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pueu2wu0M5s

Cool video. I was never too bothered by TFA being derivative. It seemed to be pretty honest about that. And it seemed to serve a purpose of giving the audience the familiar together with the new so that a brand new Star Wars stories could stem from there.

TLJ on the other hand goes out of its way to do a deconstruction of the events of episodes 5 and 6, even though it had infinite possibilities where to go from the end of TFA. And for some reason it is heralded as being completely different from anything that came before by its fans and critics alike.

The sequel trilogy doesn’t feel like Star Wars to me. It is “The Star Wars Experience”. Familiar tropes being coupled with updated visuals with a thick layer of a shallow social commentary on top.

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It’ll be interesting to see members’ views after Episode IX is released and we’ve all had time to take in the Sequel Trilogy as a whole.

As of right now, a lot of the differing and passionate opinions on here and throughout the various threads… may well change upon completion and reflection of seeing everything in the ST tied together - as a trilogy in itself, and as part of the whole saga overall.
 

Two down, one to go… 😃

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Wexter said:

oojason said:

Valheru_84 said:

DrDre said:

Sothis said:

DominicCobb said:

What’s funny to me is people complained that TFA played it too safe, now this did the opposite of that and people are still complaining.

this is too real.

Since when is different automatically good?

Someone actually demonstrated as well how TLJ is still generally a repeat of a lot of parts TESB and some ROTJ, it’s just no where near as obvious and in your face as TFA was.

.Val

.Val mate, a point of view in the form of a video for your consideration in regard to TFA… (done before TLJ was filmed)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pueu2wu0M5s

Cool video. I was never too bothered by TFA being derivative. It seemed to be pretty honest about that. And it seemed to serve a purpose of giving the audience the familiar together with the new so that a brand new Star Wars stories could stem from there.

Me neither - after the Prequels and the $4b acquisition it was understandable that they played it like that - with lots of PR on the appreciation and love of all things OT.

TLJ on the other hand goes out of its way to do a deconstruction of the events of episodes 5 and 6, even though it had infinite possibilities where to go from the end of TFA. And for some reason it is heralded as being completely different from anything that came before by its fans and critics alike.

Just my opinion - I thought that TLJ went out of it’s way to change fans’ expectations of what was to come given the set-up of TFA - to challenge those expectations and perceptions and taking the story in a new unforeseen direction. (I didn’t see it as deconstructing ESB & ROTJ).

Right now, does anyone really know how Ep IX will play out? And that’s in pretty cool place to be (I think, especially as JJ was the director who understandably ‘played is safe’ somewhat with TFA and is now back for IX).

The sequel trilogy doesn’t feel like Star Wars to me. It is “The Star Wars Experience”. Familiar tropes being coupled with updated visuals with a thick layer of a shallow social commentary on top.

I’m sorry you feel that way mate - I hope upon Ep IX will do something to get that feeling back to you - as a film in itself or looking back as a Trilogy overall.

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