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I’m listening to the soundtrack now and the second part of the Canto Bight music is stylistically similar enough to the original cantina theme that my new headcanon is that the good ol’ Modal Nodes have come up in the galaxy and are playing casinos now.

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Some unconnected thoughts upon first viewing:

They put Luke’s X-wing underwater so they didn’t have to show it covered in bird shit.

Nice ‘Raiders of the Lost Arc’ moment with the Imperial laundry room.

Yoda looks the worst I’ve ever seen him.

Interesting that the only prequel-specific reference was to the name Darth Sidious. Regards to L8wrtr.

Someone earlier in the thread said they’d like to change Luke’s saber to green at the end. It seems likely that Luke had long since discarded his green saber. Plus, him using Anakin’s saber is a very good hint that he’s not actually there, because we already saw broken in two. (Assuming it will be reforged in 3,000 years’ time.)

I was so certain Leia was going to die in space. Then I was so sure she would simply remain unconscious; the characters were already grappling with how to continue in her absence. I know the story and plot were finished prior to Carrie Fischer’s sudden death, but it still surprised me. Not sure how Ep9 will address this at all.

I found myself in tears, but was a little surprised at when that occurred. For me, it was when Luke and Leia were onscreen together and John Williams’ “Luke and Leia” kicked in.

I’m happy with Rey’s parentage. Good. Less so about Snoke; I’d really have liked to hear who this guy is. Rey as a rando is good, Snoke as a rando is bad.

Why have ‘caretakers’ on Luke’s island? To me, that slightly undermines his solitude. I didn’t mind the porgs so much. Sort of made me want to go to Chik Fil A afterward.

Maz felt totally unnecessary. And WTF is she doing as Finn and company are talking with her?

I think it was a misstep to introduce Rose at all. Just keep Finn around and have him do something without going off on a side adventure.

Can’t put my finger on it, but it seems like having so many characters or things going on made it feel like an overstuffed blockbuster movie. Maybe like all these Marvel movies I don’t care about.

I found Luke perplexing toward the end, and not necessarily in a negative sense. I wonder why Luke died. I also wonder why he suddenly has such conviction that Rey will become a Jedi and that the Jedi will continue. I thought Yoda joined him in agreeing it was time for the Jedi to end.

The novelization doesn’t come out until March?!

My stance on revising fan edits.

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A few pics from the ‘Art Of The Last Jedi’ book… (which is out today)

http://ew.com/books/art-of-star-wars-the-last-jedi-photos/the-art-of-star-wars-the-last-jedi/

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Hal 9000 said:

Some unconnected thoughts upon first viewing:

They put Luke’s X-wing underwater so they didn’t have to show it covered in bird shit.

Nice ‘Raiders of the Lost Arc’ moment with the Imperial laundry room.

Yoda looks the worst I’ve ever seen him.

Interesting that the only prequel-specific reference was to the name Darth Sidious. Regards to L8wrtr.

Someone earlier in the thread said they’d like to change Luke’s saber to green at the end. It seems likely that Luke had long since discarded his green saber. Plus, him using Anakin’s saber is a very good hint that he’s not actually there, because we already saw broken in two. (Assuming it will be reforged in 3,000 years’ time.)

I was so certain Leia was going to die in space. Then I was so sure she would simply remain unconscious; the characters were already grappling with how to continue in her absence. I know the story and plot were finished prior to Carrie Fischer’s sudden death, but it still surprised me. Not sure how Ep9 will address this at all.

I found myself in tears, but was a little surprised at when that occurred. For me, it was when Luke and Leia were onscreen together and John Williams’ “Luke and Leia” kicked in.

I’m happy with Rey’s parentage. Good. Less so about Snoke; I’d really have liked to hear who this guy is. Rey as a rando is good, Snoke as a rando is bad.

Why have ‘caretakers’ on Luke’s island? To me, that slightly undermines his solitude. I didn’t mind the porgs so much. Sort of made me want to go to Chik Fil A afterward.

Maz felt totally unnecessary. And WTF is she doing as Finn and company are talking with her?

I think it was a misstep to introduce Rose at all. Just keep Finn around and have him do something without going off on a side adventure.

Can’t put my finger on it, but it seems like having so many characters or things going on made it feel like an overstuffed blockbuster movie. Maybe like all these Marvel movies I don’t care about.

I found Luke perplexing toward the end, and not necessarily in a negative sense. I wonder why Luke died. I also wonder why he suddenly has such conviction that Rey will become a Jedi and that the Jedi will continue. I thought Yoda joined him in agreeing it was time for the Jedi to end.

The novelization doesn’t come out until March?!

I agree about most of this, but Luke’s death angered me more than confused me (though it did also do that). I feel like that’s the one thing they should have changed after Carrie’s death (as in, keep Luke alive).

And I think Yoda looked slightly better than TPM puppet Yoda. Maybe we can convince Ady to work his magic on that scene when the BR comes out…?

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Hal 9000 said:

Some unconnected thoughts upon first viewing:

They put Luke’s X-wing underwater so they didn’t have to show it covered in bird shit.

Nice ‘Raiders of the Lost Arc’ moment with the Imperial laundry room.

Yoda looks the worst I’ve ever seen him.

Interesting that the only prequel-specific reference was to the name Darth Sidious. Regards to L8wrtr.

Someone earlier in the thread said they’d like to change Luke’s saber to green at the end. It seems likely that Luke had long since discarded his green saber. Plus, him using Anakin’s saber is a very good hint that he’s not actually there, because we already saw broken in two. (Assuming it will be reforged in 3,000 years’ time.)

I was so certain Leia was going to die in space. Then I was so sure she would simply remain unconscious; the characters were already grappling with how to continue in her absence. I know the story and plot were finished prior to Carrie Fischer’s sudden death, but it still surprised me. Not sure how Ep9 will address this at all.

I found myself in tears, but was a little surprised at when that occurred. For me, it was when Luke and Leia were onscreen together and John Williams’ “Luke and Leia” kicked in.

I’m happy with Rey’s parentage. Good. Less so about Snoke; I’d really have liked to hear who this guy is. Rey as a rando is good, Snoke as a rando is bad.

Why have ‘caretakers’ on Luke’s island? To me, that slightly undermines his solitude. I didn’t mind the porgs so much. Sort of made me want to go to Chik Fil A afterward.

Maz felt totally unnecessary. And WTF is she doing as Finn and company are talking with her?

I think it was a misstep to introduce Rose at all. Just keep Finn around and have him do something without going off on a side adventure.

Can’t put my finger on it, but it seems like having so many characters or things going on made it feel like an overstuffed blockbuster movie. Maybe like all these Marvel movies I don’t care about.

I found Luke perplexing toward the end, and not necessarily in a negative sense. I wonder why Luke died. I also wonder why he suddenly has such conviction that Rey will become a Jedi and that the Jedi will continue. I thought Yoda joined him in agreeing it was time for the Jedi to end.

The novelization doesn’t come out until March?!

I pretty much agree with everything you said, it had some contradictions and stuff, and I feel like Snoke went to plot device for a while and ended up dying there, which hurt his character a lot. But I really need a second viewing.

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Slightly? It’s like night and day to me. I think the design of CPY was unfortunately a bit stiff and those subtle nuances of Frank’s puppetry were lost. All those little things that make Yoda Yoda were evident here.

Luke may have sunk his X-Wing to ensure he wouldn’t ever be tempted to leave. (And avoid detection if a ship ever passed by?) Dagobah swamp is one thing, I doubt it would be flyable after being in the ocean for too long.

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When are Sith lords ever going to figure out their apprentices think about killing them nineteen times a day? 😛

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ChainsawAsh said:

Hal 9000 said:

Some unconnected thoughts upon first viewing:

They put Luke’s X-wing underwater so they didn’t have to show it covered in bird shit.

Nice ‘Raiders of the Lost Arc’ moment with the Imperial laundry room.

Yoda looks the worst I’ve ever seen him.

Interesting that the only prequel-specific reference was to the name Darth Sidious. Regards to L8wrtr.

Someone earlier in the thread said they’d like to change Luke’s saber to green at the end. It seems likely that Luke had long since discarded his green saber. Plus, him using Anakin’s saber is a very good hint that he’s not actually there, because we already saw broken in two. (Assuming it will be reforged in 3,000 years’ time.)

I was so certain Leia was going to die in space. Then I was so sure she would simply remain unconscious; the characters were already grappling with how to continue in her absence. I know the story and plot were finished prior to Carrie Fischer’s sudden death, but it still surprised me. Not sure how Ep9 will address this at all.

I found myself in tears, but was a little surprised at when that occurred. For me, it was when Luke and Leia were onscreen together and John Williams’ “Luke and Leia” kicked in.

I’m happy with Rey’s parentage. Good. Less so about Snoke; I’d really have liked to hear who this guy is. Rey as a rando is good, Snoke as a rando is bad.

Why have ‘caretakers’ on Luke’s island? To me, that slightly undermines his solitude. I didn’t mind the porgs so much. Sort of made me want to go to Chik Fil A afterward.

Maz felt totally unnecessary. And WTF is she doing as Finn and company are talking with her?

I think it was a misstep to introduce Rose at all. Just keep Finn around and have him do something without going off on a side adventure.

Can’t put my finger on it, but it seems like having so many characters or things going on made it feel like an overstuffed blockbuster movie. Maybe like all these Marvel movies I don’t care about.

I found Luke perplexing toward the end, and not necessarily in a negative sense. I wonder why Luke died. I also wonder why he suddenly has such conviction that Rey will become a Jedi and that the Jedi will continue. I thought Yoda joined him in agreeing it was time for the Jedi to end.

The novelization doesn’t come out until March?!

I agree about most of this, but Luke’s death angered me more than confused me (though it did also do that). I feel like that’s the one thing they should have changed after Carrie’s death (as in, keep Luke alive).

But Luke dying doesn’t mean he’s not coming back.

And I think Yoda looked slightly better than TPM puppet Yoda. Maybe we can convince Ady to work his magic on that scene when the BR comes out…?

Better, but worse in different ways. I feel like they tried to hard to make him look like it was an 80s puppet but they went to far. Oddly enough he looked better in the closeups.

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Yeah, he can come back as a ghost, but without Carrie I’d have much preferred to keep Luke around in the flesh for at least one more movie.

And the way he died still massively upsets me because it seems so fucking pointless. There was no good reason I can see to off him.

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ChainsawAsh said:

Yeah, he can come back as a ghost, but without Carrie I’d have much preferred to keep Luke around in the flesh for at least one more movie.

And the way he died still massively upsets me because it seems so fucking pointless. There was no good reason I can see to off him.

Except maybe to become more powerful than you can possibly imagine?

I admit this is still something I’m mulling over. No strong feelings about it either way, oddly enough (considering this is literally my childhood hero).

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Ha, I had a very immediate, visceral reaction that quite possibly has clouded my judgment of the movie as a whole.

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It would have been so simple, just cut the scene after he sits instead of killing him, and take out Leia and Rey mourning. Ughhh
I don’t hate it but I definitely don’t love it

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Luke did something we’ve never seen any other Jedi do before. He projected a solid version of himself across unimaginable distances and could interact with Leia and even Threepio. That had to come with a price. In the end, Luke saved the day one last time and went out a hero.

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SilverWook said:

Luke did something we’ve never seen any other Jedi do before. He projected a solid version of himself across unimaginable distances and could interact with Leia and even Threepio. That had to come with a price. In the end, Luke saved the day one last time and went out a hero.

Excellent answer

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I’m not sure how I feel about that Leia floating in space scene.

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SilverWook said:

Luke did something we’ve never seen any other Jedi do before. He projected a solid version of himself across unimaginable distances and could interact with Leia and even Threepio. That had to come with a price. In the end, Luke saved the day one last time and went out a hero.

Oh. Ok.

And we’re supposed to believe that Leia Poppins coming back to life and speeding through space didn’t kill her?

This movie is an utter joke.

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SilverWook said:

Luke did something we’ve never seen any other Jedi do before. He projected a solid version of himself across unimaginable distances and could interact with Leia and even Threepio. That had to come with a price. In the end, Luke saved the day one last time and went out a hero.

I didn’t get that from the movie at all. If that had been communicated more clearly to the audience it might not have felt so insulting to me.

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ChainsawAsh said:

SilverWook said:

Luke did something we’ve never seen any other Jedi do before. He projected a solid version of himself across unimaginable distances and could interact with Leia and even Threepio. That had to come with a price. In the end, Luke saved the day one last time and went out a hero.

I didn’t get that from the movie at all. If that had been communicated more clearly to the audience it might not have felt so insulting to me.

It wasn’t. And repeat viewings don’t help

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ChainsawAsh said:

SilverWook said:

Luke did something we’ve never seen any other Jedi do before. He projected a solid version of himself across unimaginable distances and could interact with Leia and even Threepio. That had to come with a price. In the end, Luke saved the day one last time and went out a hero.

I didn’t get that from the movie at all. If that had been communicated more clearly to the audience it might not have felt so insulting to me.

Really? I thought that was clear. Whether it should kill him, I don’t know, but as soon as he got out of it I could tell things weren’t looking good for him.

I imagine it must be a one time thing kind of power.

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ChainsawAsh said:

SilverWook said:

Luke did something we’ve never seen any other Jedi do before. He projected a solid version of himself across unimaginable distances and could interact with Leia and even Threepio. That had to come with a price. In the end, Luke saved the day one last time and went out a hero.

I didn’t get that from the movie at all. If that had been communicated more clearly to the audience it might not have felt so insulting to me.

I think the whole reason why there was salt on the ground was so that they could show us that Luke isn’t real in that scene. Plus, it was flashback Luke using a lightsaber that had just been destroyed the scene before. Unless you’re talking about the philosophical meaning of the scene instead of the literal; if so, I’m sorry for the inconvenience.

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NASA has done research on exposure to vacuum. Stanley Kubrick consulted with them before making 2001 A Space Odyssey.
https://youtu.be/gpwvJzcfL1w
Contrary to popular belief, people do not swell up and pop like balloons when exposed to space.
I would argue Leia wasn’t dead, merely stunned. She does have the Force you know. Did people get bent out of shape over two similar sequences in Guardians Of The Galaxy?

You should ask for a refund next time. 😛

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ChainsawAsh said:

SilverWook said:

Luke did something we’ve never seen any other Jedi do before. He projected a solid version of himself across unimaginable distances and could interact with Leia and even Threepio. That had to come with a price. In the end, Luke saved the day one last time and went out a hero.

I didn’t get that from the movie at all. If that had been communicated more clearly to the audience it might not have felt so insulting to me.

You didn’t notice Luke had lost the gray? Jedi’s don’t stop to use Grecian Forumla. 😉

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