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Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Others, especially those around the world (that are allowed to do so) have no qualms protesting against symbols of their own Govt or country when it is failing it’s citizens, or there is an inequality perceived to be taking place with no-little appetite for change.

The raising of awareness for a cause is one of the first and most important steps in the long, slow and difficult road to implementing change. Media suppression or censorship certainly does not help that.

raising awareness in such a shitty way does not inspire me to help them.

People raising awareness in a manner deemed undesirable to you takes prevalence over the cause itself?

…something you hold to be sacred…

But why?

I don’t know how to explain to you why I hold to be sacred what I hold to be sacred.

Meaning you do know why you hold it sacred, but don’t think I’d understand; or you don’t know why you hold it sacred and can’t explain it for that reason?

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

I think it’s kind of dumb we play the national anthem at sporting events anyway. Why don’t we do it in movie theaters before the trailers or in restaurants before we eat?

It is just what we do.

This continues to be a ridiculous defense. Slavery is also used to be “just what we do.”

You could even argue it’s disrespectful to the anthem to play it before a meaningless sporting event.

I don’t see how.

It trivializes something as important as the anthem with something as meaningless and hollow as a baseball game.

I don’t see how it trivialized the Anthem, especially when people give it the proper respect when played(removing caps if worn and putting hand on heart and standing at attention.

btw, was game 7 of the World Series last year meaningless and hollow to you?

No, but that’s because I’m irrational about sports, baseball, and the Cubs. Logically I know that sports are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

To me the National Anthem give a chance to stop right before a ballgame and think about things that are relevant in the grand scheme of things.

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This is more insulting to the United States than kneeling during the anthem.

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yhwx said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_desecration

On the subject of national anthems, The Star-Spangled Banner sounds pretty epic, which is fitting because America likes to think of itself as an extraordinarily epic country. God Save the Queen sounds kind of lame to me.

For those of us in the UK who don’t believe in God - or wish for the Royal Family as an idea to come to an end, it is very lame.

Why would/should God save the Queen? Why should he? Shouldn’t he save all of us? There is an inference there that promotes the Queen above the citizen.

Plus, it is quite a depressing turgid tune too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34268442 - Why some people don’t sing the national anthem

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Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Others, especially those around the world (that are allowed to do so) have no qualms protesting against symbols of their own Govt or country when it is failing it’s citizens, or there is an inequality perceived to be taking place with no-little appetite for change.

The raising of awareness for a cause is one of the first and most important steps in the long, slow and difficult road to implementing change. Media suppression or censorship certainly does not help that.

raising awareness in such a shitty way does not inspire me to help them.

People raising awareness in a manner deemed undesirable to you takes prevalence over the cause itself?

…something you hold to be sacred…

But why?

I don’t know how to explain to you why I hold to be sacred what I hold to be sacred.

Meaning you do know why you hold it sacred, but don’t think I’d understand; or you don’t know why you hold it sacred and can’t explain it for that reason?

meaning that I know why I hold it it sacred but I don’t know how to explain it. I especially don’t know how to explain it to someone that grew up in this country but yet still asks these kinds of questions.

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Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Others, especially those around the world (that are allowed to do so) have no qualms protesting against symbols of their own Govt or country when it is failing it’s citizens, or there is an inequality perceived to be taking place with no-little appetite for change.

The raising of awareness for a cause is one of the first and most important steps in the long, slow and difficult road to implementing change. Media suppression or censorship certainly does not help that.

raising awareness in such a shitty way does not inspire me to help them.

People raising awareness in a manner deemed undesirable to you takes prevalence over the cause itself?

…something you hold to be sacred…

But why?

I don’t know how to explain to you why I hold to be sacred what I hold to be sacred.

Meaning you do know why you hold it sacred, but don’t think I’d understand; or you don’t know why you hold it sacred and can’t explain it for that reason?

meaning that I know why I hold it it sacred but I don’t know how to explain it. I especially don’t know how to explain it to someone that grew up in this country but yet still asks these kinds of questions.

Am I not a “true” American because I don’t revere the flag as a ‘holy’ object?

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yhwx said:

This is more insulting to the United States than kneeling during the anthem.

I agree it is disrespectful. It violates the rules of flag etiquette.

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Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Others, especially those around the world (that are allowed to do so) have no qualms protesting against symbols of their own Govt or country when it is failing it’s citizens, or there is an inequality perceived to be taking place with no-little appetite for change.

The raising of awareness for a cause is one of the first and most important steps in the long, slow and difficult road to implementing change. Media suppression or censorship certainly does not help that.

raising awareness in such a shitty way does not inspire me to help them.

People raising awareness in a manner deemed undesirable to you takes prevalence over the cause itself?

…something you hold to be sacred…

But why?

I don’t know how to explain to you why I hold to be sacred what I hold to be sacred.

Meaning you do know why you hold it sacred, but don’t think I’d understand; or you don’t know why you hold it sacred and can’t explain it for that reason?

meaning that I know why I hold it it sacred but I don’t know how to explain it. I especially don’t know how to explain it to someone that grew up in this country but yet still asks these kinds of questions.

Am I not a “true” American because I don’t revere the flag as a holy object?

That is not what I said. and no, I don’t hold the flag as a holy object, just sacred. Holy for me is reserved for the cross and the Bible.

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oojason said:

yhwx said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_desecration

On the subject of national anthems, The Star-Spangled Banner sounds pretty epic, which is fitting because America likes to think of itself as an extraordinarily epic country. God Save the Queen sounds kind of lame to me.

For those of us in the UK who don’t believe in God - or wish for the Royal Family as an idea to come to an end, it is very lame.

Why would/should God save the Queen? Why should he? Shouldn’t he save all of us? There is an inference there that promotes the Queen above the citizen.

Plus, it is quite a depressing turgid tune too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34268442 - Why some people don’t sing the national anthem

Technically, the monarch gets its power from God (supposedly), so I guess that’s the reasoning there.

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TV’s Frink said:

I think it’s kind of dumb we play the national anthem at sporting events anyway. Why don’t we do it in movie theaters before the trailers or in restaurants before we eat?

You could even argue it’s disrespectful to the anthem to play it before a meaningless sporting event.

Tv stations used to play it when they signed on and signed off for the day accompanied by patriotic visuals. You can find a ton of them on Youtube.
Few stations go dark anymore except for routine maintenance on the transmitter in the wee hours of the morning. This is why small children are seldom yanked into the other side by angry poltergeists these days.

I wonder if CNN has ever updated their sign off tape? Only to played when the world comes to an end of course.

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oojason said:

yhwx said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_desecration

On the subject of national anthems, The Star-Spangled Banner sounds pretty epic, which is fitting because America likes to think of itself as an extraordinarily epic country. God Save the Queen sounds kind of lame to me.

For those of us in the UK who don’t believe in God - or wish for the Royal Family as an idea to come to an end, it is very lame.

I suppose as an American I should wise for the Royal Family to come to end as well. But if it were to end, something would be lost, something special and historic. But I certainly agree they should be rendered powerless.

Why would/should God save the Queen? Why should he? Shouldn’t he save all of us? There is an inference there that promotes the Queen above the citizen.

Plus, it is quite a depressing turgid tune too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34268442 - Why some people don’t sing the national anthem

I kind of like the tune, especially when it is sung as “My Country tis of Thee”.

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Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Others, especially those around the world (that are allowed to do so) have no qualms protesting against symbols of their own Govt or country when it is failing it’s citizens, or there is an inequality perceived to be taking place with no-little appetite for change.

The raising of awareness for a cause is one of the first and most important steps in the long, slow and difficult road to implementing change. Media suppression or censorship certainly does not help that.

raising awareness in such a shitty way does not inspire me to help them.

People raising awareness in a manner deemed undesirable to you takes prevalence over the cause itself?

…something you hold to be sacred…

But why?

I don’t know how to explain to you why I hold to be sacred what I hold to be sacred.

Meaning you do know why you hold it sacred, but don’t think I’d understand; or you don’t know why you hold it sacred and can’t explain it for that reason?

meaning that I know why I hold it it sacred but I don’t know how to explain it. I especially don’t know how to explain it to someone that grew up in this country but yet still asks these kinds of questions.

Am I not a “true” American because I don’t revere the flag as a holy object?

That is not what I said.

Didn’t say you did, I just got a bit of a “I can’t believe he’s an American but doesn’t hold the flag in the same regard as I do, he must be crazy or something,” feeling from the quoted post; so I wanted to know your actual opinion on the matter.

and no, I don’t hold the flag as a holy object, just sacred. Holy for me is reserved for the cross and the Bible.

Is there a difference?

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Warbler said:

oojason said:

yhwx said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_desecration

On the subject of national anthems, The Star-Spangled Banner sounds pretty epic, which is fitting because America likes to think of itself as an extraordinarily epic country. God Save the Queen sounds kind of lame to me.

For those of us in the UK who don’t believe in God - or wish for the Royal Family as an idea to come to an end, it is very lame.

I suppose as an American I should wise for the Royal Family to come to end as well. But if it were to end, something would be lost, something special and historic. But I certainly agree they should be rendered powerless.

They pretty much already are. Parliament has all the power. They could abolish the monarchy tomorrow.

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Warbler said:

yhwx said:

This is more insulting to the United States than kneeling during the anthem.

I agree it is disrespectful. It violates the rules of flag etiquette.

That’s not the actual flag though. Should we boycott the Rocky movies while we’re at it?

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Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Others, especially those around the world (that are allowed to do so) have no qualms protesting against symbols of their own Govt or country when it is failing it’s citizens, or there is an inequality perceived to be taking place with no-little appetite for change.

The raising of awareness for a cause is one of the first and most important steps in the long, slow and difficult road to implementing change. Media suppression or censorship certainly does not help that.

raising awareness in such a shitty way does not inspire me to help them.

People raising awareness in a manner deemed undesirable to you takes prevalence over the cause itself?

…something you hold to be sacred…

But why?

I don’t know how to explain to you why I hold to be sacred what I hold to be sacred.

Meaning you do know why you hold it sacred, but don’t think I’d understand; or you don’t know why you hold it sacred and can’t explain it for that reason?

meaning that I know why I hold it it sacred but I don’t know how to explain it. I especially don’t know how to explain it to someone that grew up in this country but yet still asks these kinds of questions.

Am I not a “true” American because I don’t revere the flag as a holy object?

That is not what I said.

Didn’t say you did, I just got a bit of a “I can’t believe he’s an American but doesn’t hold the flag in the same regard as I do, he must be crazy or something,” feeling from the quoted post; so I wanted to know your actual opinion on the matter.

Well I do find it hard to understand why others can’t see the big deal in disrespecting the National Anthem, but I do not think you are crazy.

and no, I don’t hold the flag as a holy object, just sacred. Holy for me is reserved for the cross and the Bible.

Is there a difference?

There is for me. The Bible and the cross are on a different level for me than the flag and the National Anthem.

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SilverWook said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

This is more insulting to the United States than kneeling during the anthem.

I agree it is disrespectful. It violates the rules of flag etiquette.

That’s not the actual flag though. Should we boycott the Rocky movies while we’re at it?

As you said it is not the actual flag.

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yhwx said:

oojason said:

yhwx said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_desecration

On the subject of national anthems, The Star-Spangled Banner sounds pretty epic, which is fitting because America likes to think of itself as an extraordinarily epic country. God Save the Queen sounds kind of lame to me.

For those of us in the UK who don’t believe in God - or wish for the Royal Family as an idea to come to an end, it is very lame.

Why would/should God save the Queen? Why should he? Shouldn’t he save all of us? There is an inference there that promotes the Queen above the citizen.

Plus, it is quite a depressing turgid tune too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34268442 - Why some people don’t sing the national anthem

Technically, the monarch gets its power from God (supposedly), so I guess that’s the reasoning there.

Aye, the Church and the then-State inventing and re-inforcing their self importance and power over the people, and it’s continuation - of sorts - to the present day…

I much prefer to remember…

from a certain point of view, of course…

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oojason said:

yhwx said:

oojason said:

yhwx said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_desecration

On the subject of national anthems, The Star-Spangled Banner sounds pretty epic, which is fitting because America likes to think of itself as an extraordinarily epic country. God Save the Queen sounds kind of lame to me.

For those of us in the UK who don’t believe in God - or wish for the Royal Family as an idea to come to an end, it is very lame.

Why would/should God save the Queen? Why should he? Shouldn’t he save all of us? There is an inference there that promotes the Queen above the citizen.

Plus, it is quite a depressing turgid tune too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34268442 - Why some people don’t sing the national anthem

Technically, the monarch gets its power from God (supposedly), so I guess that’s the reasoning there.

Aye, the Church and the then-State inventing and re-inforcing their self importance and power over the people, and it’s continuation - of sorts - to the present day…

I much prefer to remember…

from a certain point of view, of course…

The problem is, when you are talking about the stealing of land and property and whatnot with the Royal Family, you are talking about events that happened hundreds if not a thousand years ago.

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Warbler said:

oojason said:

yhwx said:

oojason said:

yhwx said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_desecration

On the subject of national anthems, The Star-Spangled Banner sounds pretty epic, which is fitting because America likes to think of itself as an extraordinarily epic country. God Save the Queen sounds kind of lame to me.

For those of us in the UK who don’t believe in God - or wish for the Royal Family as an idea to come to an end, it is very lame.

Why would/should God save the Queen? Why should he? Shouldn’t he save all of us? There is an inference there that promotes the Queen above the citizen.

Plus, it is quite a depressing turgid tune too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34268442 - Why some people don’t sing the national anthem

Technically, the monarch gets its power from God (supposedly), so I guess that’s the reasoning there.

Aye, the Church and the then-State inventing and re-inforcing their self importance and power over the people, and it’s continuation - of sorts - to the present day…

I much prefer to remember…

from a certain point of view, of course…

The problem is, when you are talking about the stealing of land and property and whatnot with the Royal Family, you are talking about events that happened hundreds if not a thousand years ago.

Is it part of what the Royals (and/or those in power) represent / symbolise to this day - not just hundreds of years ago.

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oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

yhwx said:

oojason said:

yhwx said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_desecration

On the subject of national anthems, The Star-Spangled Banner sounds pretty epic, which is fitting because America likes to think of itself as an extraordinarily epic country. God Save the Queen sounds kind of lame to me.

For those of us in the UK who don’t believe in God - or wish for the Royal Family as an idea to come to an end, it is very lame.

Why would/should God save the Queen? Why should he? Shouldn’t he save all of us? There is an inference there that promotes the Queen above the citizen.

Plus, it is quite a depressing turgid tune too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34268442 - Why some people don’t sing the national anthem

Technically, the monarch gets its power from God (supposedly), so I guess that’s the reasoning there.

Aye, the Church and the then-State inventing and re-inforcing their self importance and power over the people, and it’s continuation - of sorts - to the present day…

I much prefer to remember…

from a certain point of view, of course…

The problem is, when you are talking about the stealing of land and property and whatnot with the Royal Family, you are talking about events that happened hundreds if not a thousand years ago.

Is it part of what the Royals (and/or those in power) represent / symbolise to this day - not just hundreds of years ago.

nonetheless the people that actually stole the land and property are long dead. The Royals of today basically don’t have any real power.

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Whatever it is supposed to be, it is shit.

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Warbler said:

The Royals of today basically don’t have any real power.

Compared to their elected government, not to their average subject.

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Well you won’t hear any objection from me, if you want to take away more power from them.

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You guys are accusing Warbler of fetishization of The Star Spangled Banner, but what I want to know is, why is it such a big deal to you that it’s such a big deal to Warbler?

Why do you have to constantly berate him for holding the flag and/or the anthem sacred and believing that others ought to do the same? Let the man have his opinion. Dang.

You make no effort to understand why Warbler feels the way he does, nor lend any weight to a possibility that his position might have merit. You just want to prove him wrong, as though such a thing were possible in a subjective topic like this, by making him explain himself until he can’t think of a strong enough rebuttal.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.