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chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

No, what makes this country great, is that he can do it. Actually doing it does not make the country great. It insults the country.

No, it insults you. You are not the country.

You are not the country either.

I’m not insulted, so your response makes no sense.

Actually, it does.

How I interpret it is this: There is a difference between an insult to the country as an entity and an insult to the collective citizens of the country.

Warbler might himself be offended, yes, but he feels offended on behalf of the country as an entity, as though the dignity of that entity is something that should be protected and/or respected.

He’s not saying that man is insulting everyone and their dog who collectively live in the country. And by his saying that you, Frink, are not the country, he’s saying that you can’t speak directly for the entity that is the country when you say you’re not offended because your personal dignity is not akin to that of respecting the country itself.

Ok well then he can’t speak for the entity that is the country either. His belief that it insults the country is only one interpretation of the action, and in my opinion a very closed-minded interpretation. He doesn’t seem to understand that these people aren’t protesting the anthem, they’re protesting the treatment of black people by the institutions that are part of the country.

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Warbler said:

again, same is true for those protesting funerals, yet people still made big deal about that.

The people protesting funerals hate gay people. The people protesting the anthem want equal treatment. Huge difference.

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TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

No, what makes this country great, is that he can do it. Actually doing it does not make the country great. It insults the country.

No, it insults you. You are not the country.

You are not the country either.

I’m not insulted, so your response makes no sense.

Actually, it does.

How I interpret it is this: There is a difference between an insult to the country as an entity and an insult to the collective citizens of the country.

Warbler might himself be offended, yes, but he feels offended on behalf of the country as an entity, as though the dignity of that entity is something that should be protected and/or respected.

He’s not saying that man is insulting everyone and their dog who collectively live in the country. And by his saying that you, Frink, are not the country, he’s saying that you can’t speak directly for the entity that is the country when you say you’re not offended because your personal dignity is not akin to that of respecting the country itself.

Ok well then he can’t speak for the entity that is the country either. His belief that it insults the country is only one interpretation of the action, and in my opinion a very closed-minded interpretation. He doesn’t seem to understand that these people aren’t protesting the anthem, they’re protesting the treatment of black people by the institutions that are part of the country.

I don’t think he doesn’t understand that. I think he just thinks their method of protest is inappropriate. Legal, yes, but inappropriate.

The argument we’re (meaning you and he are) having here really just comes down to whether one ought to be allowed to say (and/or opinion is valid in saying) what is or isn’t an appropriate method for someone else to protest.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

again, same is true for those protesting funerals, yet people still made big deal about that.

The people protesting funerals hate gay people. The people protesting the anthem want equal treatment. Huge difference.

Actually, in my mind the huge difference is that the WBC claims to be a “church” and/or “Christians” and/or “Baptists”. And as a Christian myself, and a member of a baptist church, I can say that I’m all kinds of offended at the vitriol that come from the WBC. I just… ugh, don’t even get me started.

Whereas, people who sit during the anthem speak for nobody but themselves.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

No, what makes this country great, is that he can do it. Actually doing it does not make the country great. It insults the country.

No, it insults you. You are not the country.

You are not the country either.

I’m not insulted, so your response makes no sense.

Actually, it does.

How I interpret it is this: There is a difference between an insult to the country as an entity and an insult to the collective citizens of the country.

Warbler might himself be offended, yes, but he feels offended on behalf of the country as an entity, as though the dignity of that entity is something that should be protected and/or respected.

He’s not saying that man is insulting everyone and their dog who collectively live in the country. And by his saying that you, Frink, are not the country, he’s saying that you can’t speak directly for the entity that is the country when you say you’re not offended because your personal dignity is not akin to that of respecting the country itself.

Ok well then he can’t speak for the entity that is the country either. His belief that it insults the country is only one interpretation of the action, and in my opinion a very closed-minded interpretation. He doesn’t seem to understand that these people aren’t protesting the anthem, they’re protesting the treatment of black people by the institutions that are part of the country.

and they are doing so by protesting the anthem. We might as well say that Westboro bapists weren’t protesting funerals, they were protesting gay rights.

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

again, same is true for those protesting funerals, yet people still made big deal about that.

The people protesting funerals hate gay people. The people protesting the anthem want equal treatment. Huge difference.

That is irrelevant to point that was being made by chyron8472.

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chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

No, what makes this country great, is that he can do it. Actually doing it does not make the country great. It insults the country.

No, it insults you. You are not the country.

You are not the country either.

I’m not insulted, so your response makes no sense.

Actually, it does.

How I interpret it is this: There is a difference between an insult to the country as an entity and an insult to the collective citizens of the country.

Warbler might himself be offended, yes, but he feels offended on behalf of the country as an entity, as though the dignity of that entity is something that should be protected and/or respected.

He’s not saying that man is insulting everyone and their dog who collectively live in the country. And by his saying that you, Frink, are not the country, he’s saying that you can’t speak directly for the entity that is the country when you say you’re not offended because your personal dignity is not akin to that of respecting the country itself.

Ok well then he can’t speak for the entity that is the country either. His belief that it insults the country is only one interpretation of the action, and in my opinion a very closed-minded interpretation. He doesn’t seem to understand that these people aren’t protesting the anthem, they’re protesting the treatment of black people by the institutions that are part of the country.

I don’t think he doesn’t understand that. I think he just thinks their method of protest is inappropriate. Legal, yes, but inappropriate.

exactly.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

again, same is true for those protesting funerals, yet people still made big deal about that.

The people protesting funerals hate gay people. The people protesting the anthem want equal treatment. Huge difference.

That is irrelevant to point that was being made by chyron8472.

This sounds a lot like Trump’s many sides comments. You’re equivocating two wildly different groups.

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

again, same is true for those protesting funerals, yet people still made big deal about that.

The people protesting funerals hate gay people. The people protesting the anthem want equal treatment. Huge difference.

Actually, if you think about it, it isn’t. The issue with protesting funerals isn’t about the subject being protested. It’s about the method of protest. The protested subject matter at issue is really irrelevant. People could be sitting during the anthem because gas prices are too high; or the WBC could be picketing funerals in reverence to Cthulhu.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

again, same is true for those protesting funerals, yet people still made big deal about that.

The people protesting funerals hate gay people. The people protesting the anthem want equal treatment. Huge difference.

That is irrelevant to point that was being made by chyron8472.

This sounds a lot like Trump’s many sides comments. You’re equivocating two wildly different groups.

You must have missed this:

Warbler said:

(note: I am not saying the people protesting the anthem are as bad as those that protest funerals).

Please go back and reread the relevant posts between myself and chyron8472.

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chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

again, same is true for those protesting funerals, yet people still made big deal about that.

The people protesting funerals hate gay people. The people protesting the anthem want equal treatment. Huge difference.

Actually, if you think about it, it isn’t. The issue with protesting funerals isn’t about the subject being protested. It’s about the method of protest. The protested subject matter at issue is really irrelevant.

exactly.

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Personally, I think a football player sitting during the anthem is ineffectual. It’s less effective even than temporarily adding an overlay to your Facebook avatar after a crisis.

If the people who sit want to help the cause for which they protest, they should do so in a way that matters. You can’t show solidarity to the BLM community by sitting unless the camera notices you doing it and the media jumps up and down accordingly. So I think the people who sit should be ignored, because it deflates their method of protest entirely.

It’s similar to how Trump wouldn’t have won the primary had he not been given all the media attention. Just ignore them, and their opinion becomes moot.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Florida politics in the era of Trump.

“Why should I resign,” he asked in an exclusive interview from his $2 million beachfront condo. “I did nothing wrong and I was elected. This is just party politics.”

He already sounds like he’s channeling someone familiar. So what’s the story with this witch hunt he’s fending off?

Four months after 28-year-old Rupert Tarsey was elected secretary, party officials have found out the young philanthropist and supporter of President Donald Trump is really Rupert Ditsworth.

And a decade ago, the then-Beverly Hills teenager was charged with attempted murder in Los Angeles after hitting Harvard-Westlake School classmate Elizabeth Barcay over the head at least 40 times, splitting her skull open.

Oh, well then, nothing to see here. Fake news. So unfair.

Jesus Effing Christ.

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The first mention of ‘Trump’ on the New York Times’s front page is nearly half way down.

I’m sure we’ll see the tweet soon.

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chyron8472 said:

Personally, I think a football player sitting during the anthem is ineffectual. It’s less effective even than temporarily adding an overlay to your Facebook avatar after a crisis.

If the people who sit want to help the cause for which they protest, they should do so in a way that matters. You can’t show solidarity to the BLM community by sitting unless the camera notices you doing it and the media jumps up and down accordingly. So I think the people who sit should be ignored, because it deflates their method of protest entirely.

It’s similar to how Trump wouldn’t have won the primary had he not been given all the media attention. Just ignore them, and their opinion becomes moot.

A player sitting during the anthem is so ineffectual you think the media should ignore it (instead of jumping up and down accordingly) - so it will deflate their method of protest entirely?

Erm… what?

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oojason said:

chyron8472 said:

Personally, I think a football player sitting during the anthem is ineffectual. It’s less effective even than temporarily adding an overlay to your Facebook avatar after a crisis.

If the people who sit want to help the cause for which they protest, they should do so in a way that matters. You can’t show solidarity to the BLM community by sitting unless the camera notices you doing it and the media jumps up and down accordingly. So I think the people who sit should be ignored, because it deflates their method of protest entirely.

It’s similar to how Trump wouldn’t have won the primary had he not been given all the media attention. Just ignore them, and their opinion becomes moot.

A player sitting during the anthem is so ineffectual you think the media should ignore it (instead of jumping up and down accordingly) - so it will deflate their method of protest entirely?

Erm… what?

Well, I’ve been trying to stay out of this one so far, but I think I can translate. I think he’s saying it’s ineffectual in that it doesn’t communicate the message you’re trying to send, not that it doesn’t successfully grab media attention. i.e. the media ruckus becomes about sitting and flags and whatnot, and not about your actual grievances, therefore it’s ineffectual.

I haven’t actually formed an opinion on the concept of media grabbing yet. It does seem to be central to the “Stay Woke” thesis – that unless your reminders that racism and brutality exists are adequately loud and outrageous, your protests will eventually turn into background noise and the media (and therefore the majority) will tune them out, fall back into a slumber, and think everything must be fine now. BLM has embraced this and while they’ve clearly gotten some backlash, the media’s focus on police racism and brutality has definitely been longer and more critical recently than during any recent prior protest movement, and I’d say police racism and brutality is actually much less prevalent today than in the years past when it was barely covered at all. So did BLM succeed with confrontational protest tactics? Or is it the fact that almost every citizen carries around a video camera these days and stuff can’t be explained away as easily as it used to? Or a combination. I really don’t know.

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chyron8472 said:

Personally, I think a football player sitting during the anthem is ineffectual. It’s less effective even than temporarily adding an overlay to your Facebook avatar after a crisis.

We’re talking about it though, I’d say they were pretty successful.

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It is ineffectual at helping the cause. If someone sees him sit, they don’t consider the legitimacy of why or make any appreciable change on his behalf. They argue about whether he should be allowed to sit, effectively bringing attention to only himself and not why he sat.

So people should ignore him and make his decision ineffective at drawing attention. Then, he either can keep sitting but no one knows so no one cares; do something that actually helps the cause; or quit bothering altogether. Albeit given that two of those options would have the same effect since no one is paying attention to him.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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CatBus said:

TV’s Frink said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/09/08/trump-tortured-spicer-and-priebus-now-they-get-to-tell-investigators-about-trump/?utm_term=.3d812175348b

Now’s your time to do the right thing, guys.

I’m afraid neither of them would know the right thing if it came up and bit them on the ass.

And I’m hoping it does.

I’m not sure about Priebus, but I’m afraid the only think Spicer knows how to do is tell alternative facts.

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Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

Personally, I think a football player sitting during the anthem is ineffectual. It’s less effective even than temporarily adding an overlay to your Facebook avatar after a crisis.

We’re talking about it though, I’d say they were pretty successful.

We’re talking about him sitting. We’re not talking much about police brutality. Case in point.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.