Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 285

yhwx said:

I’d prefer nothing to change to whatever the hell this is.

The point is: There are enough changes in the flow, that if some things don’t change, they will been washed away.

Also the world is getting “smaller” because every place is easier to reach.

So, even changes somewhere else has their effects.

Also… it is easier to get news from around the world, than from the other end of a city…

My favorite part:

nevertheless President Trump persisted

Yes, with nothing except control of the House, Senate, Supreme Court, and the Executive Branch of the US government and a majority of state governments (and the assistance of some foreign intelligence services) to help him along, he struggles on. His repeated failure in the face of such overwhelming odds just adds nobility to his cause.

The conservative cult of victimhood still manages to astonish me sometimes. I expect them to run on the “shake things up in Washington” platform with a complete lack of irony in 2018.

Labour doing well in the UK elections - looking like a minority/hung Govt - so far…

Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary, is looking like she will lose her seat too (she’s demanded 3 recounts) 😃

Education Secretary Justine Greening held her seat - but the majority dropped from 10,000 to 1500

Tory minister Jane Ellison loses in Battersea to Labour.

Tories have won in Angus - some say they may do ok in Scotland - and parts of Wales…

Labour have taken 4 seats from the Tories so far (very early days though)

Please explain the implications of all this to some people here who would rather focus on anyone else’s government right now, but don’t know how to interpret it.

CatBus said:

Please explain the implications of all this to some people here who would rather focus on anyone else’s government right now, but don’t know how to interpret it.

The Conservative Party, under Theresa May, called a snap election (something which she consistently said she wouldn’t do previously) - expecting to romp home and get an even larger majority than the 17 seats she had, basically with a strong mandate to go to Europe and negotiate Brexit…

The Labour Party was supposedly in trouble; lots of infighting and it’s leader Corbyn being unpopular among many other Labour MP’s - but a strong grassroots support and winning 2 leadership elections.

It has been a massive miscalculation by Theresa May. She hasn’t campaigned well at all, whilst Labour - under Corbyn - did, and did it very well.

The Conservatives have lost power - it IS officially a hung Parliament…

The Conservatives are still the largest Party - but WILL need the back-up of the right-wing DUP (from Northern Ireland) to be able to get a majority vs the other combined Parties.

Labour could form a coalition of left/centrist/independent Parties to obstruct near on anything they wished - IF they get a couple of objections from the Tory/DUP - a position no-one thought possible at the start of this election.

The Tories did surprisingly well in Scotland - which is an unexpected bonus for them. However, it does seem a lot of Tory MP’s aren’t happy with Theresa May - even before tonight’s results - a couple have openly asked her to ‘consider her position’. Ironically she campaigned on ‘strong and stable’ leadership!

A few Tory big names lost their seats too - and that big result Theresa May was hoping for when she called this snap election has not materialised - and has only damaged them - despite a very big push from the majority right-wing press for her.

More results to come of course…

One thing is certain - Labour, under Jeremy Corbyn, running on an anti-austerity campaign, have certainly done better than nearly everyone expected. Even winning in Tory strongholds like Canterbury (who have been Tory for 99 years).

For the US users on here Corbyn is a bit more left than Bernie Sanders - something which the Labour Party was once a fair few years ago (socialist-based) - and something many ‘modern’ aspects of the Labour Party fought against - though will now be very likely backing…

Any Party needs 326 seats for a majority (there are 650 MP’s in the House Of Commons):-

All the results have now been announced…

Tories are on 318 seats, losing 13 seats.
Labour are on 262 seats, gaining 30 seats.
SNP (Scottish National Party) are on 35 seats, losing 21 seats.
Liberal Democrats are on 12 seats, gaining 4 seats.
DUP (Democratic Unionist Party) are on 10 seats, gaining 2 seats.
Sinn Fein are on 7 seats, gaining 3 seats.
Plaid Cymru (Wales) are on 4 seats, gaining 1 seat.
Green Party have 1 seat.
Others (independent) are on 1 seat, losing 2 seats.

UKIP lost their only seat - so now have 0 seats.
Social Democratic & Labour Party lost 3 seats - and now have 0 seats.
Ulster Unionist Party lost 2 seats - and now have 0 seats.

Sinn Fein now have 7 MP’s - though they do not sit in Parliament as they oppose Westminster’s jurisdiction in Northern Ireland and its oath to the Queen - so its MPs abstain from sitting in parliament.

DominicCobb said:

Question for the Brits: what’s deal between Labour and Liberal Democrats? Is there a coalition possibility there?

Very possible, you could also include the SNP (Scottish National Party) in there with them

Trump’s version of “shaking up the system” seems to me nothing more than make the rich richer, in every possible way that can be conceived.

Jeebus said:

MrBrown said:

Beside all the negativity on Trump… I somehow doubt that Hillary Clinton really would have been a better president, in her own ways…

Maybe even then Trump situation could be something, that may bring some positive effect to the way politicans start to think and see ther damn duty as politicans.

In one way, even if I don’t agree with Trump in more than 99% of his statements, he may be right in one thing: It is time to rethink what politics should be about, and how politicans should see their duty.

I agree to an extent. I do like the message a Trump presidency sends to the career politicians, but at this point I don’t think the message is worth the rest of the package.

I have to agree to that, but I, even if I am German, try NOT to see only the bad side.
I really would appreciate a more constructive way of turning the heads of the standard politician, instead of tearing a country apart.

@TVs Frink:
Yes, he WANTS to shut down the United States from the rest of the world, but as he tries it shows that it won’t work. And that it is no longer possible to make local/country based politics without watching how it affects the world politics.

Like even the building of his beloved wall to Mexico even may bring more illegal permanent Mexican immigrants:
At the moment there are saisonal migrants, that come to America to provide work, and travel back to Mexico to live… If they won’t provide a satisfying work or are as cheap as they are, nobody would hire them. But, if the wall is build and crossing the border would become hard, they only would cross once to the USA, and stay, because it would be insane to go back.
If they won’t do that and everyone would (as in Trumps dream) hire the more wanting US workers the price of the products would rise, so the things would get more expensive.

A thing I really agreed with Trump while his campaign:
TTIP is bad.
The influence of some worlds panning companies to the politics would be really, really bad for the people.
But my English is not well enough to describe the reasons.

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CatBus said:

this is really more about getting May out from under that “temporary caretaker government” shadow after Cameron left?

I don’t think she is seen as a “temporary caretaker government” at all, she was the overwhelmingly popular candidate for Party Leader/PM. I think it’s more about shutting up dissenting voices (of all parties) in Parliament of the “Yes we agree you’ve got a mandate for Brexit, Prime Minister… but not this kind of Brexit!” variety. She’s going to ask the country clearly and directly “Do you want a Brexit on my terms?”. The electorate will most probably answer, “Yes please!” emphatically and she can get on with the business of doing just that.

CatBus said:

Is my understanding correct that this isn’t really expected to change anything substantive? i.e. the people, parliamentary percentages, policies, etc, aren’t really expected to change much at all

Not really, I think things will change quite a bit because the Labour opposition party will most likely be wiped out due in large part to how deeply unpopular their leader (and cabinet) is, which I’m sad to say is probably for their own good in the medium to long term. Hopefully the Lib-Dem party will get back some seats after they were annihilated at the last election.

I think the general consensus is that the Conservative party will win.
This is possibly a misjudgement. When Gordon Brown the most unpopular PM for aeons finally got around to doing what May is doing here after inheriting a gulf war mess from Blair all the Tories could manage was a coalition. They were expected to lose the last election or have to make another coalition with UKIP or some other party.
The secret ingrediant to their majority was Brexit. UKIPers flipped sides to insure they got the referendum. Scotland evicted Labour for supporting the Conservatives and the Liberals lost their nice guy image propping up the Tories in coalition and breaking their manifesto pledges.
We have now a slightly different world. Brexit has happenend, it can’t unhappen so UKIP doesn’t need to exist anymore. Austerity isn’t working and isn’t popular. The SNP need someone the can do business with in Downing Street and May is not that PM.
Corbyn has always been anti-EU (just like Tony Benn). The old Labour zealots that voted Tory to get Brexit may return to the fold now that Brexit is unavoidable. The people that voted Tory as a protest against Blair and Brown will now vote Green rather than vote for the Tories.
My prediction Corbyn will suprise everyone by narrowly winning with the remainers voting against the Conservatives with the same zeal that the Brexiteers voted for them.
That’s if he stays of the hills and doesn’t have a heart attack.

Close but no cigar.

a few seats off a coalition of the left and centrist parties mate - better than most of us thought.

And a clear message sent to the Tories that they’ll have to change if they want as many seats next time, as well being possible to run a decent andeffective anti-austerity campaign by the values of ‘old’ left of Labour.

and not sure a Tory coalition with the DUP will last…

https://twitter.com/liamyoung/status/873146824059760642

on the lighter side of politics…

https://twitter.com/LordBuckethead/status/873019060195405824

a shame Mr Buckethead ‘only’ managed 249 votes vs Theresa May in Maidenhead - though he is now free for panto and Dr Who appearances 😉

^ just for clarity - Lord Buckethead is in the black suit, just to the right of the emotionless robot with views from another world in the red suit.

‘Everything you need to know about Lord Buckethead’…

http://io9.gizmodo.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-lord-buckethead-the-1795957578

 
point 3 of his manifesto - ‘no 3rd runway at Heathrow Airport - where we’re going we don’t need runways’

https://twitter.com/scottbix/status/873014998179745794
https://twitter.com/scottbix/status/873014998179745794/photo/1