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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion — Page 4

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It's exciting see that everyone's already hard at work on an Episode re-edit. You guys are awesome.

MagnoliaFan's looks once again to be the most extensive. I can't wait to see what he does with Qui-Gon; Jinn's my favorite Jedi and you have no idea how dissapointed I was by his absence in Episode 3, especially since he was SUPPOSED to be in it. But what's all this about Obi-Wan, ESB, and RotJ? Is it top-secret info for an OT re-edit? And how he handles Vader should be interesting to say the least.

Trooperman may have to re-think dubbing over Anakin in Episode 2 now; there's no way I'd want Hayden's performance erased in this one. It's going to be so great to see these drastically differenent takes on the prequels though.

My thoughts on Grevious:
He was a totally ridiculous, throw-away character, and IMO, the weakest part of the film. However, if things could be altered to make him Darth Maul, all would be forgiven. After much thought on the matter the best course of action would be to redub the three mentions of "Maul" by name in Episode 1 (all by Sidious) with "Grevious". He is now "Darth Grevious", and although I like "Maul" much better, "Grevious" is mentioned far too often to have things the other way around. Then Grevious can be re-dubbed in a Maul-esque voice, altering his lines to 1) Edit out the HORRIBLE villain cliche lines, and 2) Add references to him being Maul (defeated by Kenobi, waiting a long time for revenge, etc). There are still some serious logistics to be worked out on that, but I believe it is possible. How to tie in Sidious, Dooku, and Maul/Grevious all together for example, and Sidious' conversation w/Grevious will be quite a project. Another idea would be to make him Syfo-Dias, but I really have no suggestions on how to accomplish that.
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Well, I think you can leave Maul as Maul in the first film, because doing so allows for the 'REVEAL' when the camera pans in tight on Greivous eyes. I think using a simple audio editor, you can alter GG voice to a lower, slower tone that will be closer to that of Maul's, but yet different enough as was Vader's. The whole point is to shock the viewer when you get close up and all of a sudden, he is Maul underneath. Even change the blade colors to Red for his sabers and leave the other Jedi's alone.

I too, would like to know what this Obi-Wan edit in the OT is about. :grin.
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MagFan,

Hope you don't mind me dropping the title - I did the first two new covers and the third just appeared

BTW - Package on the way

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The prequels caused continuity errors with one line of Obi-Wan's in ESB. It got bitched about more than just about anything beside maybe Jar Jar.
Digging through Sir Alecs filmography, I found a way to ADR a slight change to the line.
It was so quick, subtle and well executed that every person who has been shown it, on first viewing, asks me what was changed. Even his lips synch up.
It's not until a little more thought is put in that they go "Wait... Oh!"

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I just watched the "rough assembly" again and I LOVE what I see coming........

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Are you talking about MF's sample? Could you send me the video and auio codec (which, as you know, I recently dumped all of mine.)

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<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
The prequels caused continuity errors with one line of Obi-Wan's in ESB. It got bitched about more than just about anything beside maybe Jar Jar.
Digging through Sir Alecs filmography, I found a way to ADR a slight change to the line.
It was so quick, subtle and well executed that every person who has been shown it, on first viewing, asks me what was changed. Even his lips synch up.
It's not until a little more thought is put in that they go "Wait... Oh!"


Was it the line about Yoda being his instructor, but then in Episode 1 it's Qui-Gon?
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I have a question, will Dooku be revealed as a Sith Lord or is he still just a fallen Jedi who got suckered?
Republicans suck.
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Off Topic: Revan, your signature sucks.


On topic: So Rik, can you give us anyspoilers. Did he leave Artoo's arival in the halway where ObiWan and Anakin are trapped intact? That one had the whole theatre laughing.

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And so does your racist signature, even if it is just a comic book reference.
Republicans suck.
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Let's not remain off topic here, OK? I'm not using it as racism; I am poking fun at how much racism was accepted back in the forties. We can continue this via PM if you wish.

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You brought it up in the first place, but it is off-topic I agree.
Republicans suck.
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"Was it the line about Yoda being his instructor, but then in Episode 1 it's Qui-Gon? "

Qui-gon was his master, but Yoda taught all the younglings.

"will Dooku be revealed as a Sith Lord or is he still just a fallen Jedi who got suckered?"

Dooku was a Sith Lord, Darth Tyrannus.

[EDIT] Oh, and .sigs suck.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"Was it the line about Yoda being his instructor, but then in Episode 1 it's Qui-Gon? "

Qui-gon was his master, but Yoda taught all the younglings.

Yeah, but that was one of the things the fans complained about a lot back when it came out.

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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
"will Dooku be revealed as a Sith Lord or is he still just a fallen Jedi who got suckered?"

Dooku was a Sith Lord, Darth Tyrannus.


Not necessarily...
In fact, late in the film, Obi-Wan may even mention that Dooku was right all along...


But I would assume that Obi-Wan would still believe that Dooku was fooled, much like Anakin. I mean, we don't want to comprimise Obi Wan's moral standing here.

You're edit is your own, but sitting here re-reading the script, alot of the dialogue between Obi Wan and Anakin is great at the beginning of the film. I would cut down the space between "Hold on, you're not helping anything" and then "You're right, bad idea". There is a weird space between the responses that kills the comedic timing. However, one line that is CLASSIC: Wait a minute, how'd this happen! We're smarter than this.
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"Not necessarily...
In fact, late in the film, Obi-Wan may even mention that Dooku was right all along...

"But I would assume that Obi-Wan would still believe that Dooku was fooled, much like Anakin. I mean, we don't want to comprimise Obi Wan's moral standing here."


Regardless of what Obi-wan mentioned or believed, Dooku was Palpatine's apprentice, and he even called him "Darth Tyrannus" at the end of AOTC. Being raised from birth as a Sith, or being tricked out of the Jedi order doesn't change that fact at all. Sith manipulate everyone - even other Sith. That doesn't change their relationship. If fact, it defines it.

"One of the themes throughout the films is that the Sith lords, when they started out thousands of years ago, embraced the dark side. They were greedy and self-centered and they all wanted to take over, so they killed each other. Eventually, there was only one left, and that one took on an apprentice. And for thousands of years, the master would teach the apprentice, the master would die, the apprentice would then teach another apprentice, become the master, and so on. But there could never be any more than two of them, because if there were, they would try to get rid of the leader, which is exactly what Vader was trying to do, and that's exactly what the Emperor was trying to do. The Emperor was trying to get rid of Vader, and Vader was trying to get rid of the Emperor. And that is the antithesis of a symbiotic relationship, in which if you do that, you become cancer, and you eventually kill the host, and everything dies." - Bill Moyers Interview Lucas: Ex-Jedi Dooku - later revealed to be a Sith Lord, Darth Tyranus - not only served as the movie's principal antagonist, but was also a means for Lucas to illustrate a number of important story points. "I needed to get across the point that Jedi can leave the Order," Lucas explained, "to set up what happens with Anakin later on. Also, in the end, when you realize that Dooku is Darth Tyranus, it explains what Darth Sidious did after Darth Maul was killed: he seduced a Jedi who had become disenchanted with the Republic. He preyed on that disenchantment and converted him to the Dark Side, which is also a setup for what happens to Anakin. - Mythmaking: Behind the Scenes of Attack of the Clones

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Oops, my bad.

Hey, check your mail. Did you get the file?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Hi Magnolia

Will there be a hint (or more) that Palpatine had a hand in the conception of Anakin in your Edit, m8?

What do you think of outing Grievous as being Darth Maul (put back together after his 'death' in Ep1) upon his mask being removed? Would possibly give some symmetry/foretelling of what can be acheived by the Emperor and what may happen in the future to certain other individuals...?

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For everyone considering editing Episode 3:

I don't know about you, but I think the scene with Owen and Beru looking at the suns, and the scene with the Emperor, vader and Tarkin should switch places, being the later scene the last one, with the closing credits over it. Why? Well, it is obvious to me that the scene with tarkin and vader on the star destroyer bridge looking at the construction of the death star is supposed to happen a few years before Luke is born. I've mentioned in another thread that Palpatine couldn't have done all those uniforms beforehand, and couldn't have recruited so many people. Also, he would only be able to begin the death star AFTER he declared the galactic empire... So it should be Owen and beru looking at the suns, then cut to the ancient-looking TIEs passing by and Vader, the Emperor and Takin looking at the death star. Cut to the side close-up of Vader, then cut back to the death star, seeing Vader from behind (in a similar ending to ESB), and then cut to credits. What do you think?
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I for one agree with you ric- upon re-watching there is no way that Vader/Death Star scene takes place 'immediately' after the events in ROTS. There are too many visual clues to the contrary (like you said- uniforms, as well as slightly changed Star Destroyers, the idea of Imperial forces in place so readily, that much construction on the Death Star)

Actually I think a good edit would leave it out entirely. Why is it needed? To beat us over the head with fact that the films are supposed to tie together? I don't think so.

And for that matter, why didn't GL just make Tarkin have been Palpatine's aid in the Senate instead of Blue Devil or whatever that guy's name was? I think THAT would have been cool- having Tarkin be sort of a 'secretary of defense' for the Old Republic after Palps got power. Instead we get blue guy, who when Yoda comes to confront Palps just walks out.