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Eh?

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There's a few (reported) deleted scenes / stuff that was in the script but did not appear in the film, been posted on trekbbs:-

http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=4471881&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=7&fpart=1

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It is my understainding that the differences between the DLP and film version are so minute that they are almost negligible.

Reportedly one such scene occurs under the Senate building when Bail rescues Yoda. In the DLP version Yoda says, "Failed I have, into exile I must go..." Some websites are reporting that this line doesn't appear in the film version.

Having only seen the DLP (which, I might add, isn't all it's cracked up to be) I can't confirm this.
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Qui-Gon Jinn (Liam Neeson) should never have been a part of the equation. Or at least he should have been used differently, not the way he was used in Episode I (Obi-Wan was supposed to be the one who met Anakin and was really impressed by him, damn it!)
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

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No, that line is in the film version, TheCassidy.

Also, Whils is a refrence to one of the early drafts of ANH, Shimraa. "The journal of the Whils." At least, I'm pretty sure that's what it is.
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"In the DLP version Yoda says, "Failed I have, into exile I must go..." Some websites are reporting that this line doesn't appear in the film version."

As the above poster noted, this line is most definitely in the film.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Jaster Mareel
No, that line is in the film version, TheCassidy.

Also, Whils is a refrence to one of the early drafts of ANH, Shimraa. "The journal of the Whils." At least, I'm pretty sure that's what it is.


Yeah, in the novel of ANH (and I believe the original script) the story opens: "From The Journal of the Whills..."

I'm not up on the EU, but unless there are references to it there than I don't think GL ever brought it up again- which is why I was excited to see a reference to it in the ROTS script.
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No, that's pretty much it, and it's only given in regards to the Prophecy. It shows up once in the 3rd draft of ANH, and then disappears in the 4th.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Just doing my part. Here is one of the deleted scenes:

Here is another deleted scene, of which I went and got some screen caps from a BTS doc:


95 INT. CORUSCANT-PADME'S APARTMENT-DAY

PADME, MON MOTHMA, and five other Senators (BANA BREEMU, FANG ZAR. CHI EEKWAY, GIDDEAN DANU, BAIL ORGANA) sit in Padme's living room. C-3PO serves drinks to the guests.

PADME: We cannot let this turn into another war.

BAIL ORGANA: Absolutely, that is the last thing we want.

MON MOTHMA: We are hoping to form an alliance in the Senate to stop the Chancellor from further subverting the constitution, that's all.

PADME: I know a Jedi I feel it would be wise to consult.

BANA BREEMU: That would be dangerous.

MON MOTHMA: We don't know where the Jedi stand in all this.

PADME: I only wish to discuss this with one . . . one I trust.

GiDDEAN DANU: Going against the Chancellor without the support of the Jedi is risky.

PADME: The Jedi aren't any happier with the situation than we are . . .

CHI EEKWAY: Patience, Senator.

FANG ZAR: We have so many Senators on our side, surely that will pursuade the Chancellor.

BANA BREEMU: When you present the "petition of the two thousand" to the Chancellor, things may change.

BAIL ORGANA: Let us see what we can accomplish in the Senate, before we include the Jedi.

PADME takes a deep breath in frustration and disappointment.
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This is the voiceover work that you can hear Anthony delivering the lines " I made them especially" and "I made them myself" referring to the drinks.
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At this point in time, perhaps. I recall a (McCallum?) quote stating that the film version had to be finished well ahead of time, but the digital version could be changed up to a week before it was released.

That being said, has it been released yet? I don't know...

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: TheSessler
What about the DLP version? Is this in it?


Sadly, no.
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Working on link now, be patient friends.
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Something's wrong with your link.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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What am I supposed to be looking at?
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Here is another deleted scene with photo:


116 INT. CORUSCANT-CHANCELLOR'S OFFICE-SUNSET

PALPATINE listens to a delegation from the Senate, which includes PADME and five other Senators: NEE ALAVAR, FANG ZAR, MALEDEE, SWEITT CONCORKILL, and MON CALAMARI. ANAKIN stands to one side of PALPATINE.

PALPATINE: I understand your reservations completely, Senator, and I assure you the appointment of Governors will in no way compete with the duties of the Senate.

PADME: May I take it then, that there will be no further amendments to the Constitution?

PALPATINE: I want this terrible conflict to end as much as you do, My Lady, and when it does I guarantee an immediate return to democracy . . .

PADME: You are pursuing a diplomatic solution to the war, then.

PALPATINE: You must trust me to do the right things, Senator. That is why I am here.

FANGZAR: But surely . . .

The Chancellor turns on FANG ZAR.

PALPATINE: I have said I will do what is right, that should be enough for your . . . committee.

PADME: On behalf of the "delegation of two thousand," I thank you, Chancellor.

PALPATINE: I thank you for bringing this to my attention, Senator.

PADME gives ANAKIN a frustrated look, then turns and exits with the other FIVE SENATORS. PALPATINE turns to ANAKIN.

PALPATINE: (continuing) Their sincerity is to be admired, although I sense there is more to their request than they are telling us.

ANAKIN: What do you mean?

PALPATINE: They are not to be trusted.

ANAKIN: Surely Senator Amidala can be trusted . . .

PALPATINE: These are unstable times for the Republic, Anakin. Some see instability as an opportunity. Senator Amidala is hiding something. I can see it in her eyes.

ANAKIN: I'm sure you're mistaken.

PALPATINE: I'm surprised your Jedi insights are not more sensitive to such things.

ANAKIN: I simply don't sense betrayal in Senator Amidala.

PALPATINE studies ANAKIN carefully and gives him a skeptical look.

PALPATINE: Yes, you do, but you don't seem to want to admit it. There is much conflict in you, Anakin.
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Why....the hell...was that seen removed??? At least when Peter Jackson removed things from LOTR, he did so for timing purposes and had full intention to add them on the DVD. Not only that, but he also took out the scenes that wouldn't effect the storyline on a shortened version.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
At this point in time, perhaps. I recall a (McCallum?) quote stating that the film version had to be finished well ahead of time, but the digital version could be changed up to a week before it was released.

That being said, has it been released yet? I don't know...


I have seen the film version twice, the workprint once, and the digital presentation once. There is NO difference. McCallum said that...but there is not difference. NO changes were made. Digital version premired at midnight with everything else.
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So, it is out? Okay, I wasn't aware of that. I just knew that McCallum said changes were easily made (and we know how true that is from past experiences.)

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Holy crap, it's a Mon Calamari! That would've been cool to see. I was counting the Rodians and Ithorians I saw, and I counted 1 Rodian and 0 Ithorians. I wonder if either of those will appear in deleted scenes.
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I have seen the film version and the DLP version and I did not notice any differences. And I was looking! So, if there are any differences, they must be VERY minor indeed.

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Originally posted by: Jaster Mareel
Holy crap, it's a Mon Calamari! That would've been cool to see.


Only if he said "It's a trap!" every now and then. And when he seated, he just dropped himself to the chair and breathed in releaf.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Originally posted by: Jaster Mareel
No, that line is in the film version, TheCassidy.

Also, Whils is a refrence to one of the early drafts of ANH, Shimraa. "The journal of the Whils." At least, I'm pretty sure that's what it is.


so why is it significant?
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Another quick snip that was filmed:
187 EXT. CORUSCANT -PADME'S APARTMENT-VERANDA-AFTERNOON

The cockpit of the sleek yellow Galactic Speeder opens, and a HOODED FIGURE emerges and walks onto the veranda. An ALARM GOES OFF deep in the apartment. The FIGURE stops before a security curtain that protects the veranda. C-3PO enters the veranda and approaches the FIGURE.

C-3PO: Hello, might I help you . . . Oh, it's you, Master Kenobi. Come in, quickly.



The security curtain disappears, and the FIGURE lifts his hood. It is OBI-WAN. The alarm stops sounding.



OBI-WAN: Has Anakin been here . . . ?

C-3PO: Yes . . . right after the attack on the Jedi Temple.

PADME comes down the stairs in a robe. THREEPIO leaves.

PADME: Master Kenobi . . .

She embraces Obi-Wan.



PADME: (continuing) Oh, Obi-Wan, thank goodness . . . you're alive.

OBI-WAN: The Republic has fallen. Padme . . . The Jedi Order is no more . . .

PADME: I know, it's hard to believe everything to which we've dedicated our lives is gone.

OBI-WAN: I believe we have been part of a plot hundreds of years in the making.

PADME: The Senate is still intact, there is some hope.

OBI-WAN: No. Padme . . . It's over . . . The Sith now rule the galaxy as they did before the Republic.

PADME: The Sith!?!

Film Begins:
OBI-WAN: I'm here looking for Anakin . . . When was the last time you saw him?
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(first, an apology to those who saw my post about uploading the script.... my hosting didn't have enough space for it so I'm working on another alternative)

Here's the 'evidence' that the Qui-Gon scene was filmed:

First, USA Today reported a brief snippet from a movie premiere comment:

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Star Wars alums Neeson and Jackson both offered hints that George Lucas has shot a top-secret cameo of Neeson as Qui-Gon Jinn's ghost, à la Alec Guinness, for May's Episode III: Revenge of the Sith. "I can't speak about it," Neeson joked. "Jedi code of ethics."


Later, in THIS article from USA Today, the following was said:

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Although his stately Jedi master Qui-Gon Jinn was a goner in Star Wars, Episode I: The Phantom Menace, Neeson puts in a ghostly appearance in the series finale, Star Wars, Episode III: Revenge of the Sith on May 19.

In Phantom Menace, he mentored Ewan McGregor's Obi-Wan Kenobi and trained Jake Lloyd's Anakin Skywalker as a junior Jedi before meeting his fate in a saber duel opposite the vicious Darth Maul.

But much like Alec Guinness' Obi-Wan in the first trilogy, Qui-Gon's influential spirit lingers on.


Then again, not that IMDB is a definitive source in all cases, but their site does NOT list ROTS under Liam Neeson's profile. So I suppose we'll have to wait for the DVD to find out if that scene is included.