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There’s more to a lens than an aspect ratio.
There’s more to a lens than an aspect ratio.
Ahh my first ever double post??? And I don’t even know how it happened? Is this what it feels like?
And I don’t even know how it happened?
You don’t know if you don’t know how it happened?
We’re through the looking glass here, people.
Do you have any reason to suggest they might for Solo? Or are you just throwing that out there?
Just throwing it out there.
I noticed the clapperboard from that “first day of production” photo had 6k written in as the camera resolution. This probably means they’re using Red Dragon and framing it at 2.35:1 just like many movies have over the last several years (Gone Girl was the first movie to be shot this way, I think). This would still be notable as the first time a Star Wars movie was shot Super 35 style, aka spherical lenses with a roughly 35mm width frame (the red dragon’s is slightly wider) but framed at 2.35:1.
I wish the movie itself was in that expanded ratio. I wonder if they cropped it to 2.39:1.
Anyway, I think it ultimately comes down to the fact that 2.4:1 is a standard AR while 2.61:1 isn’t. Probably also to match with the other Star Wars movies.
But why bother to use the lenses used on Ben-Hur if you’re just going to crop it in the end? What was gained?
You’re still capturing a wider image than the sensor would have with a spherical lens while still using almost the entire available sensor area (1.9 of the available 2.1). This way you’re getting 2.4:1 instead of 2.1:1. Come to think of it, 2.1:1 also isn’t a standard AR. If they’d gone spherical it would’ve been cropped at the top and bottom to 2.35:1 like The Revenant, but I’m guessing Edwards still wanted a certain look for this first standalone movie of the franchise.
We kept hearing about how this was going to be a war movie, and the Ultra Panavisions call to mind films like Khartoum and Battle of the Bulge.
Did anyone else notice just how much smaller the Lucasfilm logo and “a long time ago…” text was at the beginning of Rogue One compared to the saga films?
I asked the same thing the night it came out on these forums. I’m shocked no one else noticed this… it’s incredibly distracting for me, personally. I hope a fan-editor will splice in the sequence from TFA in the inevitable fan edit.
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I just saw a video stating that Krennic was originally supposed to die by Vader’s hands and I’m so glad they didn’t go down that route as Krennic being turned into star dust is the only death a man like that deserves.
'Rogue One: A Star Wars Story “Darth Vader” Featurette [HD]*:-
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I’m curious how Han Solo is going to look.
Scruffy.
I just saw a video stating that Krennic was originally supposed to die by Vader’s hands and I’m so glad they didn’t go down that route as Krennic being turned into star dust is the only death a man like that deserves.
Going in I was sure that’s how it would play out. Having him get clipped on the catwalk by the Death Star’s superlaser before it hits the planet does have a nice irony that death-by-Vader would have lacked.
I just saw a video stating that Krennic was originally supposed to die by Vader’s hands and I’m so glad they didn’t go down that route as Krennic being turned into star dust is the only death a man like that deserves.
Going in I was sure that’s how it would play out. Having him get clipped on the catwalk by the Death Star’s superlaser before it hits the planet does have a nice irony that death-by-Vader would have lacked.
Tarkin didn’t even care that he was on the planet. All that work and Krennic was trash to people like Tarkin and Vader. Much better than him getting choked.
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher
I wanted to like this movie, I really did, but Rogue One was doomed for me almost from the start simply by virtue of the fact that it was a prequel. Almost without exception, I hate prequels. I know exactly how they are going to end, and the freedom of the writers to come up with a creative story is inherently limited because they have to find a way to build to that end. Plus they can almost never resist winking at the audience by having some character make some remark that is unnaturally prescient (“You’re going to be the death of me”), or forcing cameos and callbacks to the originals (Cantina guys in this movie). I call this stuff “member berry” stuff, and it annoys me. TFA, though a sequel, certainly had problems with it too–indeed South Park’s mockery of it is the namesake of “member berry”–but it wasn’t as direct or constant as it was in either this movie or Lucas’s prequels. More importantly, I did not know where the story was going because for the first time since 1983 the plot of a Star Wars movie was building to brand new events unknown to the viewers. The plot itself might have been “poetry” that rhymed with the original movie, but the end had me leaving the theater with questions and looking forward to seeing them answered.
Also, the characters were new, fresh, and interesting. The complete and total opposite of the characters in this film. Other than “Jyn Erso,” I cannot recall a single one’s name, and that’s only because she was the main character and certainly not because she was a good character. All the characters were pretty much underdeveloped and had no personality. The robot was the only one who was even a slight exception, and he was still basically just a stock character. They all were. They were cardboard cutouts, vehicles to forward the plot of the movie and then be disposed of at the end. The fact that we never related to them means that disposal has no impact when it comes and we’re just bored. When I’m yawning at the death of a movie’s main character, something has gone severely wrong.
The movie also was overly dark and self-serious, continuing a trend of “gritty” and “edgy” works in genres that are supposed to be pure escapism, popcorn fantasies. I hate this trend. But it worked for Logan, you know why? Because I cared about the characters. They were incredibly well-developed. It all comes back to that. Granted, I had 17 years to get to know Wolverine and Professor X, but even still if I was watching this movie for the first time I am pretty certain I would have been more invested in their fates than I was in any of Rogue One’s characters, as I was with the girl even though she was a new character.
Yeah, it was cool to watch Vader kick some ass at the end, but it meant nothing and was just another example of fan service. I genuinely enjoy watching Revenge of the Sith more; at least it has camp value in Palpatine’s portrayal and the “so bad it’s good” dialogue.
I thought the retcon (if that’s the right word) of the Death Star’s fatal flaw was pretty darn creative.
I tend to agree with you on many of the characters, although I really liked Chirrut, Baze, K-2SO, and Krennic.
And yeah the movie was dark and serious but it worked for me. Maybe because the stakes were high even if the main characters were uninspiring.
Yeah, it was cool to watch Vader kick some ass at the end, but it meant nothing and was just another example of fan service.
And like I have stated before if they filmed Vader slaughtering Rebels in the OT literally no one would have an issue with the Vader slaughter scene in Rogue One.
You underestimate how determined some are to hate anything connected to Disney.
You underestimate how determined some are to hate anything connected to Disney.
If anything, I think RO demonstrates that LF has quite a bit of independence from the Mouse.
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
You underestimate how determined some are to hate anything connected to Disney.
Or people’s inability/unwillingness to bash the OT.
I personally was surprised at how much I cared about the characters, even with so little time to focus on any of them. Take a movie like The Dirty Dozen, whose characters are spread thin, whose names I couldn’t remember at the end of the film, but how I connected with so many of them and was saddened as they were killed off one by one. The Dirty Dozen is nearly universally appreciated in spite of the exact same “shortcomings” as Rogue One. I thought both were great movies that did very well at creating several likeable characters in a relatively short amount of time.
I wonder how people would see these characters had they not died. For a character like Bohdi all he had was a good death scene so without that there’s nothing to really get emotionally invested in. The only exception is for “blank slate characters” like Eleven and none of the characters in Rogue One come close to being one.
I wonder how people would see these characters had they not died. For a character like Bohdi all he had was a good death scene so without that there’s nothing to really get emotionally invested in. The only exception is for “blank slate characters” like Eleven and none of the characters in Rogue One come close to being one.
I thought he had a good story (for one of the non-lead characters in the film) - an everyday average Joe has had his eye opened and wants to make amends for what he had done - and when he does the ‘right thing’ and defects he is overawed in something he doesn’t fully understand.
Yet he, the little guy, can still make a difference even when surrounded by more experienced or ‘talented’ people or ‘heroes’ - that he can step up and be just as brave, and important or effective, as them.
I hope we get more characters like this in the coming Star Wars films - yes, there’s always ‘the chosen one’ and larger than life characters - but it’s important to have that grounding - that realism of what it’s like for the everyday Joe in this vast galaxy…
I thought they nailed it with Bhodi.
Fair play to Riz Ahmed for his performance too and the director/editor for keeping that balance between the ensemble Rogue One team. Sure, maybe we’d like to have seen a bit more from each (maybe we would have in pre-reshoots?) but overall each character comes through without weighing or slowing the flow of the film down.
Each to their own though mate.
(I’d have been okay with Bodhi living and escaping the planet - afterall if everyone else was dead on Scarif and he got on another Imperial ship and sneaked off back to Yavin to rejoin the Alliance. Though, probably right he shared the same fate as his fellow Rogue One crew. Poor lad.)
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I wonder how people would see these characters had they not died. For a character like Bohdi all he had was a good death scene so without that there’s nothing to really get emotionally invested in. The only exception is for “blank slate characters” like Eleven and none of the characters in Rogue One come close to being one.
I thought he had a good story (for one of the non-lead characters in the film) - an everyday average Joe has had his eye opened and wants to make amends for what he had done - and when he does the ‘right thing’ and defects he is overawed in something he doesn’t fully understand.
Yet he, the little guy, can still make a difference even when surrounded by more experienced or ‘talented’ people or ‘heroes’ - that he can step up and be just as brave, and important or effective, as them.
I hope we get more characters like this in the coming Star Wars films - yes, there’s always ‘the chosen one’ and larger than life characters - but it’s important to have that grounding - that realism of what it’s like for the everyday Joe in this vast galaxy…
I thought they nailed it with Bhodi Rook.
Fair play to Riz Ahmed for his performance too and the director/editor for keeping that balance between the ensemble Rogue One team. Sure, maybe we’d like to have seen a bit more from each (maybe we would have in pre-reshoots?) but overall each character comes through without weighing or slowing the flow of the film down.
Each to their own though.
I like the outline of his story just like I like Finn’s but Finn had more going on as a character so I was able to form a connection with him. Things like him feeling ashamed about being involved with The First Order (even though he didn’t have a choice) and lying to Rey along with the fact he had a friend while he was inlisted and is willing to do anything for his new friends despite his immature and cowardly nature adds a lot to his character in my opinion. Best part about this is that the new characters in TFA will be developed further whereas someone like Bodhi won’t receive further development. I’m glad Chirrut and Baze are because even though they didn’t interest me I was entertained enough by them that I would like to know more about them. If only to insert their more interesting versions into my mind while watching Rogue One.
I wonder how people would see these characters had they not died. For a character like Bohdi all he had was a good death scene so without that there’s nothing to really get emotionally invested in.
A little screen presence goes a long way. But the ones with natural charisma didn’t get enough to do personally.
You underestimate how determined some are to hate anything connected to Disney.
This isn’t true. Disney has some great classic films, just like the OT are classics. But they have gone through successful periods like the 1930s-1950s, when Walt was in his prime, and the Disney Renaissance in the 1990s, and then they have gone through decades where they are ran by less visionary leaders and employ less talented people, and they churn out little more than garbage.
Having seen the Beauty and the Beast remake this weekend, it’s obvious that the problems with the new Star Wars films are not just Star Wars problems–they are Disney problems. In the original movie, the lead actress was voiced by a superb stage singer who may have not appeared in any other film in her life. In the new movie, they cast a big name who simply can’t sing. In fact, most of the characters are not good singers and have no business being in a live action musical. But they are names, and that’s a studio decision.
In the new Disney films, both R1 and TFA, it’s clear the studio’s goal is to simply churn out fanservice nostalgia that lacks creative ambition. They either constrained their filmmakers and forced them to churn out action figure movies, or they hired people who were not that talented or ambitious in the first place, knowing what they would produce.
Either way, these films are not as bad as the prequels, but they are like Return of the Jedi on steroids, minus the good parts.
You underestimate how determined some are to hate anything connected to Disney.
This isn’t true. Disney has some great classic films, just like the OT are classics. But they have gone through successful periods like the 1930s-1950s, when Walt was in his prime, and the Disney Renaissance in the 1990s, and then they have gone through decades where they are ran by less visionary leaders and employ less talented people, and they churn out little more than garbage.
I was clearly referring to Disney’s stewardship of Star Wars.
And I was referring to the fact that they are in a rehash mode right now, and that it’s studio-wide.
I heard the live action remake of The Jungle Book was more ambitious though, so I’m actually eager to check that out and see if it’s true.