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I skipped the last 5 pages and honestly don’t think I missed anything worthwhile.
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Quoth the Testa, “Nope”.
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Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.
You should have said that from the beginning.
Regardless, you might ask yourself why.
Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.
The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.
But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?
Why should it be?
There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women
You don’t know that.
Star Wars is a universal story about good vs. evil, hope vs. despair, and selflessness vs. selfishness.
Honestly tell me why should Star Wars appeal to men more than women?
You boil the story down to that to suit your argument, but there’s more to the films than just that.
Yes but that’s what they’re about. There’s nothing inherent about “Star Wars” that should be more suited to a man than a woman. The films aren’t about the male experience specifically, nor should they be. They should be for everyone.
You might say, well the OT only has Leia and then only a couple very minor female roles. To which I say yes, that is definitely a problem with the OT.
It is not the job of Star Wars to cater to all.
Why the fuck not? What is it about Star Wars that requires it to cater to straight white dudes only? Star Wars is supposed to be a universal story about the human experience.
Anyone of any race or gender is free to be a Star Wars fan. If they don’t like it, they are free not to. I say let Star Wars be what it is and let it entertain whomever it entertains. It if just happens that more people of one gender and one race like it, so be it.
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Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.
You should have said that from the beginning.
Regardless, you might ask yourself why.
Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.
The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.
But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?
Why should it be?
There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women
You don’t know that.
Star Wars is a universal story about good vs. evil, hope vs. despair, and selflessness vs. selfishness.
Honestly tell me why should Star Wars appeal to men more than women?
You boil the story down to that to suit your argument, but there’s more to the films than just that.
Yes but that’s what they’re about. There’s nothing inherent about “Star Wars” that should be more suited to a man than a woman. The films aren’t about the male experience specifically, nor should they be. They should be for everyone.
You might say, well the OT only has Leia and then only a couple very minor female roles. To which I say yes, that is definitely a problem with the OT.
It is not the job of Star Wars to cater to all.
Like Dom said, there’s no reason it shouldn’t be appealing to women.
Yes there is, its Sci-Fi, its nerdy, that doesn’t appeal to some women.
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Applicable to our discussion.
please elaborate on how you think it is applicable to the discussion we were having?
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Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.
You should have said that from the beginning.
Regardless, you might ask yourself why.
Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.
The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.
But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?
Why should it be?
There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women
You don’t know that.
Star Wars is a universal story about good vs. evil, hope vs. despair, and selflessness vs. selfishness.
Honestly tell me why should Star Wars appeal to men more than women?
You boil the story down to that to suit your argument, but there’s more to the films than just that.
Yes but that’s what they’re about. There’s nothing inherent about “Star Wars” that should be more suited to a man than a woman. The films aren’t about the male experience specifically, nor should they be. They should be for everyone.
You might say, well the OT only has Leia and then only a couple very minor female roles. To which I say yes, that is definitely a problem with the OT.
It is not the job of Star Wars to cater to all.
Why the fuck not? What is it about Star Wars that requires it to cater to straight white dudes only? Star Wars is supposed to be a universal story about the human experience.
Does it cater to straight white dudes only? Who says it does? Is it required to? Who says it is? The culture? Which part? Mainstream?
You’re telling me mainstream culture tells us Star Wars is for straight white dudes and nerds only?
Didn’t you if any woman enters a movie theater where a Star Wars movie is playing, she must be kicked out? They are also banned from buying the toys and blu-rays and other Star Wars merchandise. They also aren’t allowed on any Star Wars forums.
oh wait, I just remembered none of that is true. I guess women are perfectly free to be Star Wars fans if they want and many of their own free will choose not to.
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In my view tolerance and equality are similar beasts, approaching the same argument from opposite angles.
Women apparently should like Star Wars more than they do. And it’s our job (and Star Wars’ job) to tell them they should…why? Just let them like it or not. If they don’t, then they don’t.
That’s sexist!
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If I may, since we’re arguing equality, why does the culture tell us men shouldn’t like cartoons originally targeted toward female children?
Oh great. I don’t know why I’m addressing this, but that has nothing to do with equality.
It has to do with people arguing that some people should like certain things, while other people should not like other things because [insert reason].
In my view tolerance and equality are similar beasts, approaching the same argument from opposite angles.
Women apparently should like Star Wars more than they do. And it’s our job (and Star Wars’ job) to tell them they should…why? Just let them like it or not. If they don’t, then they don’t.
We need to create a cultural environment, both explicitly and impicitly, where’s okay for women to like Star Wars.
On these forums: Yes, we should.
In society at large: …We don’t? What does the culture do to shun women for liking Star Wars?
It’s more subtle, systematic, and implicit than that. While there are explicit examples of these deeper norms, it’s more of a pervasive problem that surfaces subtly. It’s hard to notice, but it’s there. Sometimes women aren’t exposed as much to these things. Sometimes it’s a gentle force steering them away. It’s like the norm that blue is for boys and that pink is for girls. There’s no biological reason for that; in fact, there was a time where the opposite was true. It’s just that there are societal norms embedded in culture that we are exposed to since the time we are born. It doesn’t have to be so explicit.
sounds like a conspiracy theory. Nah, I think I will stick with men and women having different brains and different hormones and it sometimes causes them to have different tastes in things.
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Every time I think this discussion can’t go lower…
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Goodness me. And that’s all I have to say.
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*sigh*
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My head actually hurts reading the last few pages.
Is it too much to ask that members think and then explain their opinions and thoughts… instead of seemingly posting whatever first comes to mind for the rest of us to suffer?
I suggest we leave it there and get back onto politics again.
If anyone wants to start a thread on females and Star Wars or sci-fi / culture - feel free - it’ll hopefully be a lot better than what has appeared in here today.
A little patience goes a long way on this old-school Rebel base. If you are having issues finding what you are looking for, these will be of some help…
Welcome to the OriginalTrilogy.com | Introduce yourself in here | Useful info within : About : Help : Site Rules : Fan Project Rules : Announcements
‘How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + FAQs - includes info on how to search for projects and threads on the OT•com
A Project Index for Star Wars Preservations (Harmy’s Despecialized & 4K77/80/83 etc) : A Project Index for Star Wars Fan Edits (adywan & Hal 9000 etc)
… and take your time to look around this site before posting - to get a feel for this place. Don’t just lazily make yet another thread asking for projects.
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If I may, since we’re arguing equality, why does the culture tell us men shouldn’t like cartoons originally targeted toward female children?
Oh great. I don’t know why I’m addressing this, but that has nothing to do with equality.
It has to do with people arguing that some people should like certain things, while other people should not like other things because [insert reason].
In my view tolerance and equality are similar beasts, approaching the same argument from opposite angles.
Women apparently should like Star Wars more than they do. And it’s our job (and Star Wars’ job) to tell them they should…why? Just let them like it or not. If they don’t, then they don’t.
We need to create a cultural environment, both explicitly and impicitly, where’s okay for women to like Star Wars.
On these forums: Yes, we should.
In society at large: …We don’t? What does the culture do to shun women for liking Star Wars?
It’s more subtle, systematic, and implicit than that. While there are explicit examples of these deeper norms, it’s more of a pervasive problem that surfaces subtly. It’s hard to notice, but it’s there. Sometimes women aren’t exposed as much to these things. Sometimes it’s a gentle force steering them away. It’s like the norm that blue is for boys and that pink is for girls. There’s no biological reason for that; in fact, there was a time where the opposite was true. It’s just that there are societal norms embedded in culture that we are exposed to since the time we are born. It doesn’t have to be so explicit.
sounds like a conspiracy theory. Nah, I think I will stick with men and women having different brains and different hormones and it sometimes causes them to have different tastes in things.
Do you believe in institutional racism? If you do, it’s an issue with that sort of scale. It only sounds like a conspiracy theory because you haven’t thought about the issue enough and projected the situations other people might live in.
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read oojason’s post.
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My head actually hurts reading the last few pages.
Is it too much to ask that members think and then explain their opinions and thoughts… instead of seemingly posting whatever first comes to mind for the rest of us to suffer?
I suggest we leave it there and get back onto politics again.
I know that I’m going to be disrespecting a moderator and will probably be disciplined for it, but I have to say this.
This is what people have doing with discussions about women’s issues for decades. “Could we just move on to something else?” This is the attitude that caused all the cover-ups of sexual harassment. It’s a kind of erasure. No, we cannot move on. This is important stuff, and people need to realize it. It’s an especially privileged position to take. People need to realize the nature of our society and our culture. While I have found this discussion inane, it’s still important. I just hope after enough times, people will finally get it. Maybe I’m a bit too optimistic.
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read oojason’s post.
I wasn’t able to read it, since I was drafting my post when it was posted.
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My head actually hurts reading the last few pages.
Is it too much to ask that members think and then explain their opinions and thoughts… instead of seemingly posting whatever first comes to mind for the rest of us to suffer?
I suggest we leave it there and get back onto politics again.
I know that I’m going to be disrespecting a moderator and will probably be disciplined for it, but I have to say this.
This is what people have doing with discussions about women’ issues for decades. “Could we just move on to something else?” This is the attitude that caused all the cover-ups of sexual harassment. It’s a kind of erasure. No, we cannot move on. This is important stuff, and people need to realize it. People need to realize the nature of our society and our culture. While I have found this discussion inane, it’s still important. I just hope after enough times, people will finally get it. Maybe I’m a bit too optimistic.
If anyone wants to start a thread on females and Star Wars or sci-fi / culture - feel free - it’ll hopefully be a lot better than what has appeared in here today.
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I suggest we leave it there and get back onto politics again.
I lied, I’m going to post in here again, but not on the subject of the last several pages.
So with that said, enjoy…POLITICS!!!
http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/22/texas-congressman-joe-barton-nude-sexting-twitter/
Texas Congressman Joe Barton sent nudes and illicit text messages to a woman, and he’s apologizing for the graphic image first revealed by a Twitter user.
Barton, a Republican, sent the nude photo showing his penis. The Twitter user censored the image, and also revealed a sext that reads, “I want u soo bad. Right now.”
Ready? I’m spoilering this. You can’t actually see anything, in fact it’s covered up quite a bit…but just to be safe, because you can’t say I didn’t warn you.
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I suggest we leave it there and get back onto politics again.
I lied, I’m going to post in here again, but not on the subject of the last several pages.
So with that said, enjoy…POLITICS!!!
http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/22/texas-congressman-joe-barton-nude-sexting-twitter/
Texas Congressman Joe Barton sent nudes and illicit text messages to a woman, and he’s apologizing for the graphic image first revealed by a Twitter user.
Barton, a Republican, sent the nude photo showing his penis. The Twitter user censored the image, and also revealed a sext that reads, “I want u soo bad. Right now.”
Ready? I’m spoilering this. You can’t actually see anything, in fact it’s covered up quite a bit…but just to be safe, because you can’t say I didn’t warn you.
Ugh. Disgusting.
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You’re welcome!
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If I may, since we’re arguing equality, why does the culture tell us men shouldn’t like cartoons originally targeted toward female children?
Oh great. I don’t know why I’m addressing this, but that has nothing to do with equality.
It has to do with people arguing that some people should like certain things, while other people should not like other things because [insert reason].
In my view tolerance and equality are similar beasts, approaching the same argument from opposite angles.
Women apparently should like Star Wars more than they do. And it’s our job (and Star Wars’ job) to tell them they should…why? Just let them like it or not. If they don’t, then they don’t.
We need to create a cultural environment, both explicitly and impicitly, where’s okay for women to like Star Wars.
On these forums: Yes, we should.
In society at large: …We don’t? What does the culture do to shun women for liking Star Wars?
It’s more subtle, systematic, and implicit than that. While there are explicit examples of these deeper norms, it’s more of a pervasive problem that surfaces subtly. It’s hard to notice, but it’s there. Sometimes women aren’t exposed as much to these things. Sometimes it’s a gentle force steering them away. It’s like the norm that blue is for boys and that pink is for girls. There’s no biological reason for that; in fact, there was a time where the opposite was true. It’s just that there are societal norms embedded in culture that we are exposed to since the time we are born. It doesn’t have to be so explicit.
sounds like a conspiracy theory. Nah, I think I will stick with men and women having different brains and different hormones and it sometimes causes them to have different tastes in things.
Do you believe in institutional racism? If you do, it’s an issue with that sort of scale. It only sounds like a conspiracy theory because you haven’t thought about the issue enough and projected the situations other people might live in.
You assume that the female attitude toward “nerdy” entertainment choices are the result of subversive institutional sexism.
I do not believe this to be the case.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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I suggest we leave it there and get back onto politics again.
I lied, I’m going to post in here again, but not on the subject of the last several pages.
So with that said, enjoy…POLITICS!!!
http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/22/texas-congressman-joe-barton-nude-sexting-twitter/
Texas Congressman Joe Barton sent nudes and illicit text messages to a woman, and he’s apologizing for the graphic image first revealed by a Twitter user.
Barton, a Republican, sent the nude photo showing his penis. The Twitter user censored the image, and also revealed a sext that reads, “I want u soo bad. Right now.”
Ready? I’m spoilering this. You can’t actually see anything, in fact it’s covered up quite a bit…but just to be safe, because you can’t say I didn’t warn you.
Thanks for that Frink (Cleans vomit off keyboard).
VIZ TOP TIPS! - PARENTS. Impress your children by showing them a floppy disk and telling them it’s a 3D model of a save icon.
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My head actually hurts reading the last few pages.
Is it too much to ask that members think and then explain their opinions and thoughts… instead of seemingly posting whatever first comes to mind for the rest of us to suffer?
I suggest we leave it there and get back onto politics again.
I know that I’m going to be disrespecting a moderator and will probably be disciplined for it, but I have to say this.
This is what people have doing with discussions about women’s issues for decades. “Could we just move on to something else?” This is the attitude that caused all the cover-ups of sexual harassment. It’s a kind of erasure. No, we cannot move on. This is important stuff, and people need to realize it. It’s an especially privileged position to take. People need to realize the nature of our society and our culture. While I have found this discussion inane, it’s still important. I just hope after enough times, people will finally get it. Maybe I’m a bit too optimistic.
No, you’re not going be disciplined - why would you be?
As posted by myself in the part of my post you chose not to quote:-
‘If anyone wants to start a thread on females and Star Wars or sci-fi / culture - feel free - it’ll hopefully be a lot better than what has appeared in here today.’
However, if you’re going to put words in my mouth and 2nd guess my request, thoughts and attitude… then we will have a problem.
A little patience goes a long way on this old-school Rebel base. If you are having issues finding what you are looking for, these will be of some help…
Welcome to the OriginalTrilogy.com | Introduce yourself in here | Useful info within : About : Help : Site Rules : Fan Project Rules : Announcements
‘How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + FAQs - includes info on how to search for projects and threads on the OT•com
A Project Index for Star Wars Preservations (Harmy’s Despecialized & 4K77/80/83 etc) : A Project Index for Star Wars Fan Edits (adywan & Hal 9000 etc)
… and take your time to look around this site before posting - to get a feel for this place. Don’t just lazily make yet another thread asking for projects.
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You’re welcome!
It’s disgusting when you just hear the words, but putting the actual picture to it (and especially that picture), it brings it to a whole new level.
Maybe we should send the picture to every person who doesn’t think that sexual harassment and assault is a big deal.
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My head actually hurts reading the last few pages.
Is it too much to ask that members think and then explain their opinions and thoughts… instead of seemingly posting whatever first comes to mind for the rest of us to suffer?
I suggest we leave it there and get back onto politics again.
I know that I’m going to be disrespecting a moderator and will probably be disciplined for it, but I have to say this.
This is what people have doing with discussions about women’s issues for decades. “Could we just move on to something else?” This is the attitude that caused all the cover-ups of sexual harassment. It’s a kind of erasure. No, we cannot move on. This is important stuff, and people need to realize it. It’s an especially privileged position to take. People need to realize the nature of our society and our culture. While I have found this discussion inane, it’s still important. I just hope after enough times, people will finally get it. Maybe I’m a bit too optimistic.
No, you’re not going be disciplined - why would you be?
As posted by myself in the part you chose not to quote:-
‘If anyone wants to start a thread on females and Star Wars or sci-fi / culture - feel free - it’ll hopefully be a lot better than what has appeared in here today.’
However, if you’re going to put words in my mouth and 2nd guess my request, thoughts and attitude… then we will have a problem.
I’ll just say at the beginning that this will be my final post in the matter, and that no personal offense is intended.
I did read that part that part of the post. My issue is with the larger cultural, institutional, and societal context of that attitude. I did not mean to insult you. I’m just saying that it’s emblematic of a trend to hush these issues. I am not saying that you did this intentionally. I am not blaming you. I do not hold anything against you. The problem I have is not with you; it’s with culture in general. I think men should not try to get as offended when they’re shown the cultural issues that we have at hand. If we do that, we’ll work closer towards increasing equality for all. I hope you consider this.
This is my final post on the matter. Thank you.