Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 137

The fact that they’re illegal immigrants. Criminals.
Highlight a few cases of said criminals being sick does not change the fact that they came here illegally and thus fall under the banner of criminals.
If you start picking and choosing who you deem to be worse criminals based on their health, status, etc., you start heading down a slippery slope. Who gets to decide these things? At the end of the day they came here illegally and knew the consequences of being caught. Does the law not apply to them now because they’re sick? Does that mean the law doesn’t apply to actual US citizens if they’re sick too?

That’s a response to the question of how I’m distorting facts?

Ok.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/27/bush-breaks-silence-on-trump-urges-welcoming-immigration-policy.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/27/an-act-of-american-terror-in-trumps-heartland/?utm_term=.36e81254d59d

To most Americans, a shooting in Kansas last Wednesday will be remembered as just another incident of gun violence in a country where homicides are tragically commonplace and where far too many disturbed loners have ready access to firearms.

To many Indians, though, the murder of Srinivas Kuchibhotla was the harshest warning yet about the reality of President Trump’s America.

It seems incumbent on the Trump administration to be even more outspoken than its predecessors on the dangers of domestic terrorism. But while Trump tweets incessantly about jihadist threats around the world, the White House has remained rather silent about the violence carried out by white nationalists against minorities, including a deadly attack on a mosque in Canada last month. So far, he has not tweeted anything about the Olathe shootings.

“Toxic rhetoric has contributed to scapegoating immigrants and religious minorities,” said Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) in a statement on Friday in which he linked Purinton’s alleged xenophobia to Trump’s politics of walls and bans. Ellison, the first Muslim to serve in Congress, went on: “While irresponsible leaders rarely own up to their dog whistles, toxic talk from public figures always leads to violence.”

TV’s Frink said:

Yup. Or they voted for Stein or Johnson. Regardless, they share the blame.

Agreed. Anyone who voted for a candidate that represented their beliefs is a piece of shit, don’t they know that being an adult means making decisions that Frink agrees with? 😛

I didn’t say they (you?) were a piece of shit. Read what I wrote again. All of it. I don’t think I can be any more clear, but I can repeat it if you like.

Helping elect Trump because you don’t like Hillary is a childish response to what the DNC did. Sorry.

“Being an adult” in this case is as simple as recognizing the dangers of a Trump presidency and doing whatever you can to stop it from happening.

Voting with your heart is cute on paper, but in reality it achieves nothing.

TV’s Frink said:

I didn’t say they (you?) were a piece of shit. Read what I wrote again. All of it. I don’t think I can be any more clear, but I can repeat it if you like.

It was hyperbole, don’t take it too seriously.

But if they don’t like Hillary, why would they vote for her? I don’t understand this logic. If they don’t like her, they probably wouldn’t have voted for her regardless of who else is on the ticket, and most likely did not think Trump was that bad. Furthermore, frankly it’s long overdue a third party had power in government. I do not see how not voting for your candidate is childish.

Ryan-SWI said:

Being hyperbolic, spewing buzzwords at people, yelling at them that they’re wrong about everything, calling them demeaning names, shutting down all conversation by calling someone a Racist! Sexist! Homophobe! Bigot! is why Trump won. People got sick of being patronised by people who refuse to step outside their own little echo chamber.

Out of everything you said, this one actually is a good point and it’s something that has always bugged me about democrats lately. I’m not saying I’m on the side of conservatives by any means, but very few of them actually are those things.

Handman said:

But if they don’t like Hillary, why would they vote for her? I don’t understand this logic. If they don’t like her, they probably wouldn’t have voted for her regardless of who else is on the ticket, and most likely did not think Trump was that bad. Furthermore, frankly it’s long overdue a third party had power in government. I do not see how not voting for your candidate is childish.

Obviously it all comes down to opinion. I personally don’t think just “not liking” someone is enough to disqualify them. The job is bigger than that and you need to look at the alternatives and decide what is really the best outcome for the country. If almost any other candidate was on the Republican ticket, I’d agree. Vote for whoever you want. We definitely need a third party, I agree. But there’s a time and place for these things. Trump was an extraordinary circumstance that had to be stopped. That’s just the way I saw it, and seeing how he’s handling things, I’m not too sure I was wrong.

Possessed said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Being hyperbolic, spewing buzzwords at people, yelling at them that they’re wrong about everything, calling them demeaning names, shutting down all conversation by calling someone a Racist! Sexist! Homophobe! Bigot! is why Trump won. People got sick of being patronised by people who refuse to step outside their own little echo chamber.

Out of everything you said, this one actually is a good point and it’s something that has always bugged me about democrats lately. I’m not saying I’m on the side of conservatives by any means, but very few of them actually are those things.

I think it’s a bullshit argument. You get called a sexist so you decide to vote for the most sexist candidate in recent history? Where’s the logic in that?

Some people take things out of hand with their accusations but most of them are coming from a reasonable place, but people just aren’t listening. It’s incredible how sensitive people on the right (and in general) are to criticism and refuse to believe that anything they do could be wrong or harmful. The hypocrisy of people on the right talking about echo chambers is overwhelming.

DominicCobb said:

Possessed said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Being hyperbolic, spewing buzzwords at people, yelling at them that they’re wrong about everything, calling them demeaning names, shutting down all conversation by calling someone a Racist! Sexist! Homophobe! Bigot! is why Trump won. People got sick of being patronised by people who refuse to step outside their own little echo chamber.

Out of everything you said, this one actually is a good point and it’s something that has always bugged me about democrats lately. I’m not saying I’m on the side of conservatives by any means, but very few of them actually are those things.

I think it’s a bullshit argument. You get called a sexist so you decide to vote for the most sexist candidate in recent history? Where’s the logic in that?

Some people take things out of hand with their accusations but most of them are coming from a reasonable place, but people just aren’t listening. It’s incredible how sensitive people on the right (and in general) are to criticism and refuse to believe that anything they do could be wrong or harmful. The hypocrisy of people on the right talking about echo chambers is overwhelming.

I wasn’t saying it excused voting for trump, I was only saying the name calling is not productive in converting people to your side. Not that conservatives don’t do it too.

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

I didn’t say they (you?) were a piece of shit. Read what I wrote again. All of it. I don’t think I can be any more clear, but I can repeat it if you like.

It was hyperbole, don’t take it too seriously.

Wasn’t clear.

Handman said:

But if they don’t like Hillary, why would they vote for her? I don’t understand this logic. If they don’t like her, they probably wouldn’t have voted for her regardless of who else is on the ticket, and most likely did not think Trump was that bad. Furthermore, frankly it’s long overdue a third party had power in government. I do not see how not voting for your candidate is childish.

Trump supporters voting for Trump was not childish…although it’s already proving to be self-defeating in many cases!

Bernie supporters in swing states not voting for Hillary because of what the DNC did to Bernie was childish…unless they somehow truly still believe things would be no better under Hillary than things already are under Trump. And if you’re really a Bernie supporter, I don’t know how you can possibly believe that. And if they do, I think they’re deluding themselves.

TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

I didn’t say they (you?) were a piece of shit. Read what I wrote again. All of it. I don’t think I can be any more clear, but I can repeat it if you like.

It was hyperbole, don’t take it too seriously.

Wasn’t clear.

I thought the toungey face would indicate it, my bad.

I only see that box that represents the faces and I was too lazy to quote it in order to see which one you used.

Sometimes I see the actual faces, sometimes just the box…it’s frustrating.

TV’s Frink said:

Yup. Or they voted for Stein or Johnson. Regardless, they share the blame.

I can have some understanding for Republicans and the Conservative minded voting for Johnson instead of Hillary. It is one thing to ask those kinds of people to not vote for Trump, the Republican Nominee, it is quite another to ask them to vote for a Democrat. Stein is another matter. Anyone voting for her when you ought to easily be able to see that Trump needed to be stopped, should be ashamed of themselves.

TV’s Frink said:

Oh good, you’re here too.

You know him?

TV’s Frink said:

I only see that box that represents the faces and I was too lazy to quote it in order to see which one you used.

Sometimes I see the actual faces, sometimes just the box…it’s frustrating.

I miss the days when I could type “colon p” and not have it automatically turned into an emoji.

: P

Possessed said:

DominicCobb said:

Possessed said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Being hyperbolic, spewing buzzwords at people, yelling at them that they’re wrong about everything, calling them demeaning names, shutting down all conversation by calling someone a Racist! Sexist! Homophobe! Bigot! is why Trump won. People got sick of being patronised by people who refuse to step outside their own little echo chamber.

Out of everything you said, this one actually is a good point and it’s something that has always bugged me about democrats lately. I’m not saying I’m on the side of conservatives by any means, but very few of them actually are those things.

I think it’s a bullshit argument. You get called a sexist so you decide to vote for the most sexist candidate in recent history? Where’s the logic in that?

Some people take things out of hand with their accusations but most of them are coming from a reasonable place, but people just aren’t listening. It’s incredible how sensitive people on the right (and in general) are to criticism and refuse to believe that anything they do could be wrong or harmful. The hypocrisy of people on the right talking about echo chambers is overwhelming.

I wasn’t saying it excused voting for trump, I was only saying the name calling is not productive in converting people to your side. Not that conservatives don’t do it too.

Fair, but I think it’s often more than a simple matter of “name calling.” There can be legitimate reasons for the accusations that just end up getting routinely dismissed (with some jabs about the “tolerant left” of course).

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Oh good, you’re here too.

You know him?

“Here” as in “not just in General SW Discussion threads.”

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Yup. Or they voted for Stein or Johnson. Regardless, they share the blame.

I can have some understanding for Republicans and the Conservative minded voting for Johnson instead of Hillary. It is one thing to ask those kinds of people to not vote for Trump, the Republican Nominee, it is quite another to ask them to vote for a Democrat. Stein is another matter. Anyone voting for her when you ought to easily be able to see that Trump needed to be stopped, should be ashamed of themselves.

I understand why they wouldn’t vote for Hillary but they still share in the blame for giving us all Trump.

Ryan-SWI said:

The fact that they’re illegal immigrants. Criminals.
Highlight a few cases of said criminals being sick does not change the fact that they came here illegally and thus fall under the banner of criminals.
If you start picking and choosing who you deem to be worse criminals based on their health, status, etc., you start heading down a slippery slope. Who gets to decide these things? At the end of the day they came here illegally and knew the consequences of being caught. Does the law not apply to them now because they’re sick? Does that mean the law doesn’t apply to actual US citizens if they’re sick too?

What about the ones that can here as kids with their parents? They may not have fully understood what they were doing and the consequences thereof, they just went where their parents were going and did what they told them to do. I think we should at least have some sympathy for them. What about the kids born here of illegal immigrants? They are not responsible for the situation and yet are being separated from mommy and/or daddy. I think we should have some sympathy for them to. However I do think you make a point in that this a society run by law and not by feeling. That is a valid point.