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- #1335135
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- Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1335135/action/topic#1335135
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Get over it.
We’re in a fan edit thread. Not getting over things is the only way we can fix them. I think he should be allowed to criticize. Whether his criticisms are valid is another question, but you shouldn’t just try to shut him up like this.
In fairness, it’s not just that his criticisms are bad, but there’s no way to accomplish what he wants. In which case my suggestion is legitimately the best thing he can do.
You’re probably right. His criticisms do belong more in the rewrite thread.
Honestly, I think I can say whatever I want to say as long as I don’t offend anyone…
You’re welcome to think and say whatever you want, even if it does offend people, so long as it doesn’t break the rules. So by all means, you do you. However, since you mention offence-
I’m offended. You use the phrase ‘identity politics’ twice.
Identity politics is a political approach based on people prioritizing the concerns most relevant to their particular racial, religious, ethnic, sexual, social, cultural or other identity. It typically aims to reclaim greater self-determination and political freedom for marginalized groups through understanding each interest group’s distinctive nature and experiences of injustice.
Not one iota of that happens in Disney Star Wars, so I have to read from this that by ‘identity politics’ you mean you object to the prevalence and/or roles of women in these films.
I’ll say it again: Representation is not politics. Representation is not an agenda.
There are plenty of problems to have with these films. There are plenty of problems to have with the power Rey has without training. None of those problems come from the identities - gender or otherwise - of the characters. None of those problems come from the identities of the members of the production teams.
I’m making an assumption there so forgive me if I’ve interpreted your choice of words unfairly. But if not-
Strong women exist. Female characters who serve something other than male characters’ romantic subplot exist. They’re not a threat to you. Get over it.
I won’t say sorry, but I get the point. I don’t want to be political, it is Lucasfilm and Kennedy herself who went political with Episode VIII. To use a female hero was a choice that was clearly taken due to the fact that they wanted to push a more “progressive” approach to “representation”. As I said, I liked the choice for the characters and I like Daisy Ridley, she pulls it off apart from the issues in the screenplay, but that is not on her! The “Lesbian” kiss in TROS is identity politics it is there for “representation” and its only purpose is to alienate the audience. It is brief, I am not offended directly by it, but it serves no purpose and the scene is cut out in various countries and they knew this would happen.
And then we had Admiral Holdo, coming out of nowhere and her basic role was to criticize and dismiss Poe. She clearly was there to call all men idiots. See I didn’t do that not did anyone back in the old days write Leia running around calling males names.
But right, no politics on my behalf. To me the only thing important is that Rey needs to have a believable transition to being the super talented Jedi she is and making her a descendent of someone’s bloodline was the naturally easiest way to do so. But I object her being a Palpatine since Palpatine was designed to be the evil in the galaxy you could of course argue that the story choice in IX was radical and Rey turning the Palpatine bloodline to something good was at least interesting. To me it just feels off and again since Lucasfilm now declared her the daughter of a Palpatine clone and whatever they will stir up to undo the damage done with VIII to the fans I think the only choice that was again already given in VII was that she is in fact a Skywalker hidden because she was in danger because she needed to be the “last hope” to finally destroy the Sith / dark force users. This would rhyme far better than the Palpatine descendant thingy. It might have worked even better if Snoke would have just been the bad guy all along and maybe Trevorrow’s unmade IX would have been a far superior experience, but that is a lot of ifs.Thanks for all the feedback so far. I don’t want to alienate anyone here, maybe this whole line of discussion or ideas with Rey being Luke’s daughter has all been discussed to the end before here on the board and I just missed it or I am going into territory a lot of the users here just see no possibility of pulling it off in the editing which I understand as well.
And then again if everybody sticks to her being a nobody it is turning the Skywalker saga into absurdity because Ben’s role and impact was reduced to be thrown into the pit and bringing back Rey to life which has never been seen before in Star Wars and is again a deus ex machina. Ben is the hero in the end but we’re not supposed to feel that imho. Lucasfilm / Kennedy only want us to accept Rey as the hero of these nine films she saves the day, because Anakin, Luke an Ben were all unable to do it and were toxic males. And again that is not my way of thinking but that is what people like Johnson, Kennedy and Mr. Hidalgo were putting into Star Wars starting in about 2014. They brought the politics into Star Wars and we the fans need to take this out and bring back the fairy tale, the hero’s journey and the classical grand space opera feeling to it or what.
You’ve just been asked to stop with the political discussions in this thread - both in here and in PMs - and yet here you are - still continuing…
Have a week away from the site to work out why.
