oojason

Stylish car with it’s own distinct sat-nav system…

Darren Tibbles, the very talented guy behind the superb MegaMix fan-made Star Wars video released last year… is working on a new project:-

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsypTzUACYR/

^ ‘Here’s a very rough cut from the opening scene of my Guardians of the Whills Animated Short. I wanted to show the occupation of Jedha. WIP still lots to do.’

Darren’s YouTube video channel (featuring a few more short animated Star Wars clips) can be found here:-

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7c9BzSsEtrs6vVW9voA8EA/videos

An article about his projects here:-

‘This Ralph McQuarrie-inspired Star Wars fan animation is gorgeous’…

https://nerdist.com/star-wars-fan-animation-ralph-mcquarrie-darren-tibbles/
 

Not so much for kids - more just some Star Wars books that help illustrate some of the revisionism, contradictions, re-writing or mis-remembering of the history and evolution of Star Wars from George Lucas…

‘The Secret History Of Star Wars’ - by Michael Kaminski. Amazon link : OT.com Thread

‘The Making of Star Wars: The Definitive Story Behind the Original Film’ - by JW Rinzler. Amazon link : OT.com Thread

‘The Making of The Empire Strikes Back: The Definitive Story Behind the Film’ - by JW Rinzler. Amazon link : OT.com Thread

‘The Making of Return of the Jedi: The Definitive Story Behind the Film’ - by JW Rinzler. Amazon link : OT.com Thread

‘Star Wars Storyboards: The Original Trilogy’ - by JW Rinzler. Amazon link : OT.com Thread

‘Skywalking: The Life And Films Of George Lucas’ - by Dale Pollock. Amazon link

‘Once Upon a Galaxy: A Journal of the Making of The Empire Strikes Back’ - by Alan Arnold. Amazon link

‘Mythmaker: The Life and Works of George Lucas’ - by John Baxter. Amazon link

and whilst not a book, the illuminating various drafts of the Star Wars theatrical film scripts, at many different stages of development/shooting the film - at Starkiller: The Jedi Bendu Script Site

also this blog ‘From the Desk of Charles Lippincott’ - by Charles Lippincott, is well worth rummaging through.
 

Please let me know of any more similar books (or sites, blogs, articles etc) out there for inclusion - thank you 😃
 

I think in the past some members on here have recommended using Toast for burning blu rays on a mac.
 

Is that for the actress or for it being a Section 31 series, mate?

If both, then surely this is in order…

😉
 

Got to say I’ve always been intrigued by the idea of a Section 31 series - likely more so IF there was a time travel aspect to it (a chance to revisit characters from the previous series, certain events in the Trek timeline, and making it’s own way too etc).

I do like Michelle Yeoh as an actress and her Captain Georgiou, but…

SPOILERS

not so much with the character / her portrayal as the Empress from the Mirror Universe.

snooker said:

Lupita voiced Maz in Lego: The Force Awakens iirc. There may be a line or two in there that could work.

And also for the ‘Forces Of Destiny’ animated series too 😃
 

Hal9000 for the Prequel Trilogy, and adywan’s Revisited Edits for the Original Trilogy are the standouts / must-watch for me.

The ADigitalMan Saga Edits (Episdoes 1 to 6 and a ‘2.5’ Clone Wars) are well worth a look at as well.
 

There are a few other ‘which fan edit is best?’ and ‘recommend a Fan Edit?’ type threads listed in the Star Wars Fan Edits & Projects Index (towards the bottom of the index) - which may be of use / interest too mate.
 

^ cheers man - the dying part is the one I’m having the most trouble with (as well at turning up the brightness so I can see those small pesky Tie Fighters!)

Have managed to get a few silver medals - though playing more for the ‘fun’ - more than the ‘medals’ now… (though that may not be by choice 😉)
 

‘EA ‘Fully Committed’ to Making More Star Wars Games’… (in light of reports of EA cancelling the in-development open-world Star Wars game)

https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/ea-vancouver-star-wars-games-1203109833/
 

^ That’s a real shame - an open world GFFA game… sounds like it could’ve been a blast. That we may be getting a smaller, more quicker-to-release game in it’s place just doesn’t sound promising at all.

Hopefully the Jedi: Fallen Order game will (out this year?) will be more than decent.

A decent article on EA and Star Wars games…

‘EA’s Troubled Decade Of Star Wars Games’:-

https://kotaku.com/ea-s-troubled-decade-of-star-wars-games-1831807493
 

irishmike said:

DL the file, streaming from my laptop > HDMI > 4K TV, I say it rolling on the screen got so pumped then a few minutes in, commentary started talking over the film, what in the world! What can I do about this?

On your laptop, whatever software you’re using to play the file, have a look at the Audio options list and choose one that doesn’t have the commentary on - there should be a few to choose from.

Hope that will work (or someone more familiar with may be able to help) 😃
 

It’s not a question of blame or hypocrisy, LZ.

Many editors, project preservationists and members on here (and elsewhere) over the years have suffered the occasional youtube takedown notice, or copyright notice, or received something similar - or the same - as to what SWTheory has. Some of it seemed unfair, unjust, undeserved, or wrong - and some of it not.

The difference is, as far as I can recall, is that most of the people on here have simply adjusted or edited their work on youtube to comply with any requests/problems - or contested it (where they felt a mistake may have been made - as much of this process is automated and mistakes do happen). Or they moved their content to the likes of vimeo, dailymotion or one of the other video hosting sites.

And that was pretty much it, they may be have been a bit miffed and inconvenienced - though they learn from the experience, and then move forward with their projects.
 

Cheers for the props crpl_hicks 😃

Though it really is just my small contribution to try and help others on here - like so many others here have helped fellow members in the past - and continue to do so in the present.

(not to mention the unseen efforts that goes on behind the scenes keeping this place going by Jay, SilverWook and Anchorhead - and Zion & Moth3r too, previously.)

Now, before I reboot (bloody updates - they take ages to install and configure!)… can anyone fill in one of these for me, please?

The puny humans still suspect nothing - we shall…

‘Michelle Yeoh to Lead STAR TREK Section 31 Series’…

http://trekcore.com/blog/2019/01/michelle-yeoh-to-lead-star-trek-section-31-series/
 

An intriguing post found another site (all credit to Tuskin38 on TrekBBS):-

You’d think it’d be easier to remove and replace the music in question from the fan film - with something else that’s not going to cause issues such as this…
 

Quality work as ever Tobar 😃

Really been enjoying Season 2 of The Orville so far, and looking forward to Killjoys’ 5th season (though still a bit gutted there’s no more Dark Matter), and also the Picard series too.

Great to see sci-fi on the small screen in force once more. Hope there will soon be confirmation Red Dwarf will return for it’s 13th season this year too 👍
 

Fair play to ILMVisualFX…

https://www.visualeffectssociety.com/

A few videos on some of ILMVisualFX’s work for Solo can be found a couple of posts above, or on their own youtube channel:-

https://www.youtube.com/user/ILMVisualFX/videos

A fun 80’s vibe & style VHS trailer / advert for Solo:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iaW_iGFeSI (by TheStarWarsDaily)

Cool Solo poster…

^ from https://www.deviantart.com/markraats/art/Official-SOLO-A-Star-Wars-Story-Poster-744031765
 

^ from https://kyb3r.com/2019/01/star-wars-art-best-dec-2018/

and lots more including a neat feature where the artists are interviews about their art and love of GFFA - https://kyb3r.com/art/best (and scroll down to the ‘Artist Spotlight section’)
 

Thought this is quite an insightful and illuminating piece on the Shards Of The Past ‘situation’ (it’s from a Star Wars blog, yet the blogger seems to have done his homework on it):-

‘It wasn’t Disney that claimed Star Wars Theory’s Vader Film, it was Warner Chappell Music’…

http://starwarshub.net/2019/01/15/it-wasnt-disney-that-claimed-star-wars-theorys-vader-fan-film-it-was-warner-chappell-music/
 

Valheru_84 said:

oojason said:

Valheru_84 said:

Ok, I have to reply:

• I ignored nothing, I explained multiple times why I was frustrated and directly replied to your posts.

• I know you are no longer a moderator, I simply thought you might exercise some of the skills that comes with the past role in keeping yourself in check. Additionally you have no doubt had to directly deal with such circumstances and so it is surprising you let yourself sink to these levels.

• If you refer to my lengthy posts where I try to spell out my point of view and reasons as “a load of shite” then I understand why you haven’t actually addressed them. You should have just flung insults at me from the beginning for which I could report you and move on rather than bothering with your pretense.

• Citing the gif as humour is disingenuous BS, although seeing as you never tried to understand my points maybe you actually believe that and can’t see the hypocrisy staring me in the face.

• My reply to you in the Mary Sue thread was simply pointing out that humour or not, you have not watched the quite half of the video you criticise and dismiss and then act as if your opinion expressed so far in the thread (factual recounting of the throne room scene aside) is all anyone needs to know about it and the thread shouldn’t exist despite the multitude of other people having an interesting and reasoned conversation that they clearly want to engage in because they are regularly posting in the thread.

• You are now actively twisting my words:
  – I never claimed you needed to be warned - you WERE warned. If you did the same thing that initially made me frustrated that I would not be happy. Pretty logical, why would you do it again? Doesn’t seem like a good way to discuss the topic.
  – You were clearly ignorant on the matter, you directly admitted it yourself in what you said. Why is it so hard to deal with the term when it is applied to you on just this matter? It is not a bad thing in off itself. Do some reading and come back to talk on the same level of understanding.
  – I did not make or infer any connection to you being mentally / intellectually inferior as to you not getting it. The issue stems from the fact that your responses seem to constantly miss, forget and ignore things I have already said. I was getting a bit frustrated with that.
  – Do we not all coexist on a basic mutual respect? That is all I meant. If you are going to refute my posts then do me the respect of actually addressing the points I make.

All I have done in this thread is represent myself and offer my opinion in discussion. For that I have been:
– Initially labeled and furthermore insinuated multiple times to be anti-pansexual.
– Posts I put some considerable effort and time into ignored and compared to “shite”.
– Sneered at and painted as someone having an unreasonable issue with Pando Lando despite the reasons listed and repeated yet not actually replied to.
– Past conflicts brought back up that have no bearing on the situation and trying to side shift the responsibility of your own part in this argument onto them.
– Been directly insulted and demeaned. I try to tell you why I am frustrated at the situation and your part in it and you end up telling me to go fuck myself.

The actual common issue between this and the Mary Sue thread with yourself and Dom - antagonistic behaviour towards those that criticise TLJ. I’ve had no issue talking with other people in both threads about the issues IMHO TLJ, the ST and various characters have, it wasn’t until Dom and yourself started having a go at me that things started heading down the drain pipe. I try to ignore Dom and now you, but I will stand up for myself.

Val

I haven’t read that - any of it, and am not going to - it’d obviously be a waste of time.

My original post stands for what it is - and you then kicked off. Now you claim I was misrepresenting you as well as your other aforementioned bullshit?

If that’s what happens when a simple post with a couple of reasonable questions then there’s not much hope for having a conversation with you. Add in the insults as well as the “I’ll repeat it again as you do seem hard of hearing” jibe as some sort of lazy innuendo / stigma that deaf people are mentally / intellectually inferior or somehow ‘can’t / don’t get it’… and there is certainly no point in having a conversation with someone who thinks like you.

From that simple post of mine and your then continued blow-ups, insults and unfounded claims it seems you were looking for a fight or baiting there? Or maybe it’s your style to make a one liner post and then light-up the situation? Add in a few insults and derogatory comments and then pretend you’re being hard done by, misrepresented, misunderstood, antagonised etc?

All from this post? Laughable.

Keep up the deflection and bullshit .Val - stay classy. And please, no ranting rage-filled ‘it’s all your fault’ type PMs again either this time around, thanks.

 

Once again, back to the pics…

I’m quite happy to see more diversity in Star Wars…

Would have like to see more of L3 in the GFFA, though I suppose from a certain point of view she is still with us… 😉
 

Ok seeing as there is no moderation happening anymore on this site where blatant abuse and personal attacks are the order of the day and anything in between goes - if you were standing in front of me right now I would knock your fucking block off “mate”. You are a piece of shit who will continually take cheap shots while claiming to be innocent all the while constantly attacking my very character and alluding that I have some ulterior motive.

Since you want to drag that skeleton out of the closet, you did the exact same thing to me in PM before you personally banned me some 8 months ago. Anything I said was never taken at face value, you always seem to think the worst of me and project this onto my words, looking for hidden meaning where there is none. At the time you failed to tell me it was a temporary ban, our conversation devolved as you constantly applied your own meaning to my words and due to our personal conversation you permanently banned me. Yet in the banned members thread you claim it’s what I said to the moderators in general that earned me my permanent ban. So disingenuous.

In the end I found I actually owned a copy of TFA that was packed away still after having not long moved house at the time and that was after I purchased another copy in order to ask to be allowed back on here. So it was my own fucking dumb fault for not checking my bluray collection before saying to you I didn’t have a copy for the one edit I downloaded. But you let me believe it was a permanent ban from the get go and it was your inability to not get personal as the moderator that resulted in our argument that you decided should be grounds for the actual permanent ban, which to this day I still feel was completely unfair.

You say you won’t read my post, the very post where I tell you I never inferred any such thing when I said you seem hard of hearing. You concocted that one up yourself. It was in reference to the repeated times you wouldn’t read or ignored what I’d said in earlier posts that you later confirmed to consider “shite” and now still refuse to read my reply all the while throwing insult and abuse at me. How can I even deal with such an individual, how am I supposed to begin to engage in reasoned discussion when you blatantly ignore my post while dismissing them and insulting me in the same breath. Why the fuck do you think I was feeling frustrated in the first place you bloody tospot!

How were you ever a moderator when this is how you talk to people? I’m firing of the expletives and insults now but you lit the fire and fanned the flames you arsehole. This comes on the back of my wife telling me she hates life at the moment, so I’m a bit fucking unstable emotionally right now after my one liner observation was taken out of context and then you happened along to have a crack at me all day long. But that won’t mean anything to you, you never believe a single word I ever say as genuine no matter how reasoned and straightforward I try to be. Get out of my fucking face you idiotic twat and don’t talk to me ever again.

Just asked a couple of reasonable questions and you continued to fly off the handle - and look how you behave…

(I’m not too proud of my own handling of this - but y’know… wow.)

I haven’t read what you’ve said above - bar the 1st paragraph. Didn’t seem worth continuing reading and as stated before I have better things to do than engage with someone who thinks and acts like you.
 

Edit - have now read it. Wow (again). Yes, .Val you breaking the rules in not being in ownership of the blu ray of TFA, yet acquiring a TFA Fan Edit eanrt you a temp ban. You mistook this for a permanent ban and jumped in and kicked off with the PMs at me (by the way, my previous reference to your PMs to me weren’t solely about your ban, but mainly your previous other PMs to me) - amongst other rants/critiques/unloading re the moderation in general.

I thought the whole thing was clear in the Banned Members thread - Valheru’s ban is permanent. Initially it was a temp-ban for not having a retail copy of TFA yet acquiring TFA Edits - breaking Rule 6 - though his comments to us upon being informed of this earnt him a permanent ban.

Now, I’m not going to disclose anything else said in your PMs - but felt that needed addressing given your above claim.

When asked for a reason why you broke the rule… No, you can’t wait X years until a Sequel Trilogy boxset comes out rather than buy them individually and acquire fan edits until a box set is released (ignoring your 'Well you all already know who WON’T be buying a copy of TLJ on BD 😉 I don’t have TFA either, was going to get all 3 together once Ep9 was out but that won’t be happening now…’, and mentions of SW release boycotts around the time?). No, it doesn’t matter ‘how much you had done for the site’ - it was reported you broke the rules (an important one to the existence of this site) - and we acted. You kicked off in PMs - earning yourself the permanent ban. If you hadn’t sent those PMs it’d been a couple/few of weeks away like many others in your situation. It was on you - no-one else.
 

Much like you kicking off / making claims such as these… ‘get educated’, ‘You can’t say now that I haven’t warned you’, ‘your supposed ignorance on the matter’, ‘you do seem hard of hearing’, ‘tone and demeanour towards me is beyond the pale’, ‘I never went looking for a fight, it came to me’, ‘the chip on your shoulder’, ‘you WERE warned’, ‘You were clearly ignorant’, ‘blatant abuse and personal attacks are the order of the day and anything in between goes - if you were standing in front of me right now I would knock your fucking block off “mate”’, ‘You are a piece of shit who will continually take cheap shots’, ‘all the while constantly attacking my very character’, ‘I’m firing of the expletives and insults now but you lit the fire and fanned the flames you arsehole’, ‘Get out of my fucking face you idiotic twat and don’t talk to me ever again.’
 

As said before…

… it seems from your reaction to it you may have some issues with something out side of my initial post.

Keep up the deflection and bullshit .Val - it’ll all be someone else’s fault. Stay classy.

The last few pages read like a clusterfuck. Perhaps starting over again will help get the thread back on topic?

^ no kids were harmed in the making or viewing of this image. Though don’t drink malt liquor until you’re old enough.

Valheru_84 said:

Ok, I have to reply:

• I ignored nothing, I explained multiple times why I was frustrated and directly replied to your posts.

• I know you are no longer a moderator, I simply thought you might exercise some of the skills that comes with the past role in keeping yourself in check. Additionally you have no doubt had to directly deal with such circumstances and so it is surprising you let yourself sink to these levels.

• If you refer to my lengthy posts where I try to spell out my point of view and reasons as “a load of shite” then I understand why you haven’t actually addressed them. You should have just flung insults at me from the beginning for which I could report you and move on rather than bothering with your pretense.

• Citing the gif as humour is disingenuous BS, although seeing as you never tried to understand my points maybe you actually believe that and can’t see the hypocrisy staring me in the face.

• My reply to you in the Mary Sue thread was simply pointing out that humour or not, you have not watched the quite half of the video you criticise and dismiss and then act as if your opinion expressed so far in the thread (factual recounting of the throne room scene aside) is all anyone needs to know about it and the thread shouldn’t exist despite the multitude of other people having an interesting and reasoned conversation that they clearly want to engage in because they are regularly posting in the thread.

• You are now actively twisting my words:
  – I never claimed you needed to be warned - you WERE warned. If you did the same thing that initially made me frustrated that I would not be happy. Pretty logical, why would you do it again? Doesn’t seem like a good way to discuss the topic.
  – You were clearly ignorant on the matter, you directly admitted it yourself in what you said. Why is it so hard to deal with the term when it is applied to you on just this matter? It is not a bad thing in off itself. Do some reading and come back to talk on the same level of understanding.
  – I did not make or infer any connection to you being mentally / intellectually inferior as to you not getting it. The issue stems from the fact that your responses seem to constantly miss, forget and ignore things I have already said. I was getting a bit frustrated with that.
  – Do we not all coexist on a basic mutual respect? That is all I meant. If you are going to refute my posts then do me the respect of actually addressing the points I make.

All I have done in this thread is represent myself and offer my opinion in discussion. For that I have been:
– Initially labeled and furthermore insinuated multiple times to be anti-pansexual.
– Posts I put some considerable effort and time into ignored and compared to “shite”.
– Sneered at and painted as someone having an unreasonable issue with Pando Lando despite the reasons listed and repeated yet not actually replied to.
– Past conflicts brought back up that have no bearing on the situation and trying to side shift the responsibility of your own part in this argument onto them.
– Been directly insulted and demeaned. I try to tell you why I am frustrated at the situation and your part in it and you end up telling me to go fuck myself.

The actual common issue between this and the Mary Sue thread with yourself and Dom - antagonistic behaviour towards those that criticise TLJ. I’ve had no issue talking with other people in both threads about the issues IMHO TLJ, the ST and various characters have, it wasn’t until Dom and yourself started having a go at me that things started heading down the drain pipe. I try to ignore Dom and now you, but I will stand up for myself.

Val

I haven’t read that - any of it, and am not going to - it’d obviously be a waste of time.

My original post stands for what it is - and you then kicked off. Now you claim I was misrepresenting you as well as your other aforementioned bullshit?

If that’s what happens when a simple post with a couple of reasonable questions then there’s not much hope for having a conversation with you. Add in the insults as well as the “I’ll repeat it again as you do seem hard of hearing” jibe as some sort of lazy innuendo / stigma that deaf people are mentally / intellectually inferior or somehow ‘can’t / don’t get it’… and there is certainly no point in having a conversation with someone who thinks like you.

From that simple post of mine and your then continued blow-ups, insults and unfounded claims it seems you were looking for a fight or baiting there? Or maybe it’s your style to make a one liner post and then light-up the situation? Add in a few insults and derogatory comments and then pretend you’re being hard done by, misrepresented, misunderstood, antagonised etc?

All from this post? Laughable.

Keep up the deflection and bullshit .Val - stay classy. And please, no ranting rage-filled ‘it’s all your fault’ type PMs again either this time around, thanks.

Once again, back to the pics…

I’m quite happy to see more diversity in Star Wars…

Would have like to see more of L3 in the GFFA, though I suppose from a certain point of view she is still with us… 😉
 

I see you ignored the explaining of what in my post made you ‘immensely frustrated by these attempts to make me out as some kind of unreasonable homo/panphobe’ - probably because there was nothing there bar a few reasonable questions in it.

BTW, I’m not a moderator here.

Nor have I a chip on the shoulder - I just asked a couple of questions and got a load of shite back (though you claim I need to be warned, educated and to stop with my ignorance - along with my tone and demeanour to you) - and apparently brought a fight to you in asking said questions. Claims that I hadn’t actually read your posts, I had made some assumptions at best as don’t make sense, should pay you respect, and I hadn’t an open mind)… just as a reminder those questions which generated such shite from you, were…

oojason said:

Valheru_84 said:

ray_afraid said:

Valheru_84 said:

it created such a media sensation.

I’ve never once heard/seen it mentioned outside of this site…

Then you simply haven’t been looking or stumbled across the articles online. These are the first mainstream ones I can across after searching “Jonathan Kasdan Pando Lando”:

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2018/5/17/17365604/lando-calrissian-sexuality-solo-star-wars-jonathan-kasdan

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5af77d59e4b00d7e4c1b37a9/amp

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/5/17/17366002/lando-calrissian-solo-a-star-wars-story

Val

It ‘created such a media sensation’ that we have to search for the actual term on an online search engine? 😉

I’ve never heard of ‘Pando Lando’ before you mentioned it. Seems much ado about nothing to me (or chance to clickbait for some who are into that type of thing). I imagine most 12 years olds (and over) will take it as the actors referred to the question/statement did - a bit of a joke.

Are you really bothered by it and worried for the children when a spoof/riff Lando pic appears on here (and there are many of that Colt 45 image) - or this particular one enters popular culture - as you put it? I imagine many wouldn’t give it a second thought. Seems many didn’t either for Captain Jack from Doctor Who, or others in sci-fi who are pansexual.

Anyway, back to the pics…

Wow.
 

Re the L3 gif - just a bit of humour to diffuse the situation, though I see you wanted to go another way. That’s fine - and not unexpected given your posts to me in this and the Mary Sue thread (where you quoted a post of mine yet removed the humour parts, hence also the context). But like I said, not unexpected.

As for the “I’ll repeat it again as you do seem hard of hearing” jibe as some sort of lazy innuendo / stigma that deaf people are mentally / intellectually inferior or somehow ‘can’t / don’t get it’… go fuck yourself. I’ll happily take a ban for that.

by rbmdesigns97 at https://www.deviantart.com/rbmdesigns97/art/Star-Wars-The-Last-Jedi-Poster-777385940

^ from https://www.camsharpevfx.com/artwork/ (amongst other quality Star Wars art)
 

Valheru_84 said:

oojason said:
I bring ‘just the facts, Sir/Ma’am’

No just an opinion based on not even half the video.

To be continued tomorrow…(once I’ve had some sleep)

No mate, it won’t. I only came back in here to ask if Darth Muffy was a member on TrekBBS (I may know him/her on there) given the same topic discussed there.

Why you felt the need to misquote (or rather miss out the winky face and joke Dragnet reference), I don’t know - though given your abrasive attitude to members who have a different opinion than yourself with on here I don’t care.

You also missed the factual part of my earlier post 😉

Have a good 'un.

Valheru_84 said:

I AM trying to debate the issue without effectively having to repeat myself as I can’t understand your response in the context that you have supposedly read my reply. You are dismissive and make statements that appear to ignore the additional clarification and detail that I already provided to give you insight into my perspective where my opinion stems from and the contributing factors. Your responses do not present to me as someone that has read and tried to understand what I actually said.

To try and put it simply:

• Perhaps “sensation” was inaccurate in the picture it painted but it seemed an apt enough approximation at the time due to the amount of places and mediums I have seen it appear in, many of which are mainstream. I don’t believe it ever featured in my local town news channel but my point was if you search for it there are countless references, many of them big or well known names and brands. Regardless of the actors tone, they were talking about it and on camera which means it was public knowledge and a topic viewable to many Star Wars fans that would view such content. I can’t help it if you and Ray haven’t come across it, you asked for examples and I provided 6. The burden of proof works both ways, it’s your turn to get educated on the matter before you continue to summarily dismiss it.

• Pando Lando is what the public and media termed it as when Jonathan Kasdan answered a direct question from a journalist on whether Lando was pansexual which he confirmed.

• I’ve already stated what I object to which has nothing to do with homosexual, bisexual or pansexual characters but the retconning of a classic character and the fact that the term in itself is misleading and when I think about it now, it could be offensive to actual pansexuals because of what it is actually alluding to in the movie which has nothing to do with pansexuality and is disgusting, depraved and hardly the type of thing to include in a Star Wars movie which will be watched by little kids and that is the act of sexual activity with a robot called L33T.

• My response to Snooker was because I already clearly stated my views on homosexuals and of which any sexual representation in a movie is normally only shown in M15+ rated movies where you are supposed to be 15 years or older to view and it is not expected to be watched by little kids (ie. 3-10 year olds).

• My issue with the meme was simply a passing observation of my less than enthused thoughts on it that I did not expect anyone here to be completely ignorant of seeing how prolific it has featured in media. In fact, if you understand the context of the meme “It works every time” as in getting the “ladies” but with L33T hanging off of his shoulder instead of a woman, then you understand the reference and where I am coming from and I again have to wonder as to the genuine nature of your supposed ignorance on the matter. Just think about it - why would you insinuate a sexual relationship between a Star Wars character and a robot and not just any character but freaking Lando Calrissian?!

• I never would have gone to such lengths to explain the situation or myself if I didn’t feel I had to after Screams accused me of referring to pansexuals as “it” and also asking why pansexuals bothered me, rather than seeing the multitude of issues tied to the name and idea, not the sexuality.

• I’ve got no issue with pansexuals in sci-fi or in general. If you try to make me repeat this a 3rd time by saying you “read what I said just fine” I will not be happy. You can’t say now that I haven’t warned you.

Valheru_84 said:
I don’t have a problem myself if there are homosexual, bisexual or pansexual characters in movies. If that is the character and it plays to the story at hand and isn’t shoved in my face just so no one can miss that the movie makers ensured the “representation” box was ticked, then that’s fine.

I do apologise for now taking this thread off topic but I am immensely frustrated by these attempts to make me out as some kind of unreasonable homo/panphobe.

Val

If my post above has resulted in you being ‘immensely frustrated by these attempts to make me out as some kind of unreasonable homo/panphobe’ you likely need to re-read my post and point out which parts of it make you feel that way - because it seems from your reaction to it you may have some issues with something out side of my post.

Warning me? My ignorance? Get educated? Do yourself a favour and grow up - or get past whatever issues you have previous with me, or others who may have a differing opinion or view to which you hold. And maybe stop looking for a fight (or issues) where there isn’t one.
 

Darth Muffy said:

Hi Val,
yes to both.

Hi oojason,
Thanks for your lengthy views on this as always theres no right or wrong answer here.
I guess Yoda & Luke sum it up best when entering threads like this …

Cheers man - I bring ‘just the facts, Sir/Ma’am’ 😉

btw - are you on TrekBBS too? Been trying to remember where I’d seen this video already discussed elsewhere - though couldn’t quite place it until I came across it on TBBS this morning.
 

‘PSYCHIC LEAKS STAR WARS EPISODE 9 TITLE & PLOT!! WARNING SPOILERS!! OMG! CONFIRMED WOW EPIC SCENE!!’…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSMjVWVIq1A (from HelloGreedo)

😃