oojason

a couple of fan art posters…

^ by Phase Runner

^ by Bryan Ward
 

‘Amazing Shots of ROGUE ONE: A STAR WARS STORY’:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbozyYNrWmc (around 4 minutes long - around 2 hours short, in my humble opinion) 😉

^ from the ‘Amazing Shots’ youtube channel; they also do many videos for other films and tv shows (and some more Star Wars content).
 

Force-Abel said:

This is a beautiful thread, along with many other pieces of information on here, but are you not worried that Lucasfilm may come after you guys for highlighting some of the topics you discuss here? I hope not, but it must be a concern?

Thank you, mate. It is a collaborative effort and really just compiling many of the already-known sources and info into a centralised thread (with the occasional new or enlightening piece of news or article found - or remembered! 😃)
 

I don’t believe Lucasfilm would ‘come after us’ for this thread - or others similar to it…

The information here is presented with credited and checked sources, and whilst some of it is indeed subjective - it does fall under fair comment. The aim of the thread is to strive for an accurate, revision-free, and authentic record on the history & evolution of Star Wars; and in doing so highlighting some of the myths, inconsistencies, revisionism, or simply changes of view, made over time.
 

They are certainly aware of this place, and despite the underground nature of it - along with some of the preservations, fan edits, and other projects on here for over 16 years now - we’re still here. We are strict on the rules regarding having to own the official retail release for projects - afterall… ’We ❤️ Star Wars and give it all the moneys.'. I personally think they acknowledge this place exists out of our desire to preserve and ‘fight for what we love - not because we hate’ (apologies for the butchering of Irvin Kershner’s quote whilst filming Empire Strikes Back) - though there are likely many different interpretations & views on this…
 

From doubleofive’s superb Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes thread in the Theatrical Cuts vs. Subsequent Releases section…
 

doubleofive said:

Holy crap, I did Greedo Shot First.

https://twitter.com/StarWarsVisComp/status/1168554173136166913

Frame by frame comparisons, GIF’s, the whole nine yards. I conclude that the “new” shot is based on a wide shot of Han shooting Greedo. They took the clarifying shot Lucas claims didn’t exist in the 70’s and changed it so Greedo shoots (at different times with different effects). It’s a fun read, hopefully.

💥 doubleofive knocks it out of the park - yet again! 💥
 

Apologies for the bump - though in my humble opinion it is very much worth it…

doubleofive said:

Holy crap, I did Greedo Shot First.

https://twitter.com/StarWarsVisComp/status/1168554173136166913

Frame by frame comparisons, GIF’s, the whole nine yards. I conclude that the “new” shot is based on a wide shot of Han shooting Greedo. They took the clarifying shot Lucas claims didn’t exist in the 70’s and changed it so Greedo shoots (at different times with different effects). It’s a fun read, hopefully.

^ from his superb Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes thread in the Theatrical Cuts vs. Subsequent Releases section.

💥 doubleofive knocks it out of the park - yet again! 💥

The George Lucas: Star Wars Creator, Unreliable Narrator & Time Travelling Revisionist… thread (Category Numbers 30 • ‘Han Shot First…’ and 31 • ‘George Lucas claims in 2012 that Han NEVER Shot First…’) may also be of some interest on the issue too…

as well as this insightful 2012 article, by Emmet Asher-Perrin, at Tor (from before Disney bought Lucasfilm)…

• Lucas Shot First: The Surprisingly Powerful Sense of Betrayal George Lucas Creates

^ an archived backup: https://archive.is/w5g3O

As an aside… George Lucas claiming the 6 Star Wars films “form the biography of Vader”… (aka GL’s oft-claimed post-PT ‘Star Wars has always been the tragedy of Darth Vader’) - but that he wasn’t aware of this “until 1998”…

A screenshot of a 2005 Vanity Fair article (February issue) promoting Revenge Of The Sith:-

and yet…
 

In 2019 George claimed the reason why he made the Prequel Trilogy films was because the fans didn’t understand in the 10 years after Return Of The Jedi… that the backstory to the Original Trilogy was really “about the tragedy of Darth Vader”… something he himself stated he himself hadn’t realised “until 1998”… after he had already wrote and filmed TPM!

Sure George, sure…

A screenshot of the 2024 George Lucas made Star Wars prequels because fans “didn’t get” story - article at The Digital Bits:-

^ The 2019 SW•com article referenced above: www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-i-the-phantom-menace-oral-history

and more disingenuous comments from George Lucas re the criticism The Phantom Menace faced upon release…

(dubious claims on what he “originally intended” for character ages, fan expectations being too high - not his marketing or promotion, that he couldn’t say these Prequels were for a different audience prior to the film release - young children; ROTS apart, obviously)

A screenshot of a 1999 Empire magazine article, shortly after the criticism began of The Phantom Menace:-

“No-one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans” - I’d say few have divided Star Wars fans more than George Lucas has…

• [A few of George Lucas’ gaslighting and divisive comments made to / about fans over the years…](a few of George Lucas’ gaslighting and divisive comments made to / about fans…) (2025 thread)

Anyway, I’ve rambled on for far, far too long (once again!) - and veered way off-topic (apologies doubleofive!)…

I’m really looking forward to doubleofive’s a definitive history of the Greedo scene on video. 👍
 

‘Early drafts of Solo: A Star Wars Story featured Lando Calrissian’s ‘big brother’’:-

https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/early-drafts-solo-star-wars-story-lando-calrissians-big-brother-korso-jon-kasdan-115700870.html

https://twitter.com/JonKasdan/status/1168287139848773639
 

^ and more information in the linked article.
 

LordZerome1080 said:

Jaxer said:

You give in and, and they come out of the wood works. No one is willing to search themselves. And yes, there are definitely easy ways to obtain the entire OT in this format by a simple DuckDuckGo search.

I have searched and all the links I have found are dead. I get that we want to avoid hit-n runners. I’m not one of them.

There are still alternatives…

solkap’s NJVC Custom Blu-ray Set of Harmy’s Despecialized Editions now available on Mega superb thread is still an option.

The Despecialized Editions are still available on various public and private torrent sites - in many file formats and file sizes to suit.

As well as what Jaxer said re DuckDuckGo, apparently.

Plus, some fellow members have been, on occasion, helping out those who have made an effort to join in with - and be a part of - the community on here, too.
 

Valheru_84 said:

SilverWook said:

A friendly reminder to play nice, kids.

Noted and Ill refrain from replying to him anymore as it’s obvious again he can’t help himself due to prior “entanglements”.

No, it wasn’t obvious at all.

You brought up your past with the poster into the conversation and took issue with him calling you ‘buddy’ as ‘condescending pretense’ - instead of simply discussing/debating the points made - as well as the dig above.

Knock it off. Thank you.
 

DominicCobb said:

(time it out if you want, you’ll just be missing the point in a rush to prove your deluded nonsense)

‘deluded nonsense’?

Knock it off. Thank you.
 

If either of you have an issue or any questions with this, or would like to discuss it further, feel free to PM me - as to not further derail the thread.
 

Rodney-2187 said:

What’s wrong with nostalgia?

Absolutely nothing mate.
 

For some it is “cinematic inbreeding” apparently - Disney are doing it wrong again. Using too much OT or something in their sizzle reels.

For others it was fine, okay, great, superb, piqued their interest, got them talking about the film - or maybe even looking forward to seeing it.

Or sizzle reel? Sizzle reel? Release the official damn trailer!!! It’s less than four months to go before the release and they’re still giving us sizzle reels!!! 😉 😃

‘Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker | D23 Special Look’:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n1T3HxHd7Y (from the official Star Wars youtube channel)

or here - https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1165962999720370176

‘The story of a generation comes to an end. Watch the D23 Special Look for Star Wars: #TheRiseofSkywalker.’

JediPaxis (a moderator at reddit/StarWarsLeaks) has kindly put together a ‘TROS D23 First Look Frame-By-Frame Photo Album’:-

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPv4JMP9oEXQKXBdyuYAXYttcj2cyxbMN7AQOcVPz6kzRp2tpNBYg-TRGppd8Fm0w?key=X3dneWI5eTdyeWRWQnE4RUZuby1DMVpYNURvOXV3
 

^ There are a few other variances on the teaser poster, along with some other art for Episode IX, in the Episode IX : The Rise Of Skywalker - film & fan art, + covers etc thread in the Case Covers, Disc Labels, and Fan Art section too 😃
 

Ooof! - I hope those reported prices are indeed wrong 😃

Some ‘Rise Of The Resistance’ on-ride footage from D23:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p71pEENzzZI or https://twitter.com/MouseInfo/status/1165682621839372288
 

ZkinandBonez said:

oojason said:

‘Disney Unveils International Roll-Out Of Disney+ Streaming Service; Reveals Details In Canada, Holland, Australia & New Zealand’:-

https://deadline.com/2019/08/disney-international-launches-1202671080

'Disney is to begin rolling out its streaming service Disney+ internationally in November – with a number of territories going day-and-date with the U.S.

The Hollywood studio has revealed plans to launch the service in Canada, the Netherlands, Australia, and New Zealand – the first global details for the forthcoming SVOD platform.

Disney+ will launch in Canada and the Netherlands on November 12, in tandem with the U.S. launch, while the following week the service will launch in Australia and New Zealand on November 19.

In Canada, it will be priced C$8.99 per month, or $89.99 per year, and in Holland, it will cost €6.99 per month of €69.99 per year, In Australia, it will cost A$8.99 per month or $89.99 per year, and NZ$9.99 per month or $99.99 in New Zealand’.
 

More info in the above link.

 

Edit: Disney+ now has their own official twitter account too - https://twitter.com/disneyplus
 

So, no info about when it’ll be available in Scandinavia?

Since HBO Nordic has (from what I’ve gathered) been quite good at releasing things more-or-less at the same time as the US it’d be kind of weird if Disney+ was as delayed here as it will be in the UK.

BTW; Is there any specific reason why the UK won’t get Disney+ until next year? That seems really weird to me.

The exclusive contracts that Sky TV have for showing the Star Wars films in the UK do not expire until sometime in 2020… (ie, https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/nov/05/sky-faces-loss-of-disney-content-as-it-leaves-the-ftse-100 - 2018 article)
 

I haven’t seen anything about Scandinavia, sorry.
 

This article has a bit of info; the German Disney+ is down for a 2020 start - and most of Western Europe too (translated):-

‘As the colleagues of Variety report, the service should expand to “Western Europe” in early 2020 - whether Germany is included is not yet clear. At the end of 2020, Disney + should also start in Eastern Europe. We therefore expect that Disney + will be available here at the earliest in early 2020 until the end of 2020 at the latest.’

Though I’ve no idea how reliable or accurate the actual article - or publication, is:-
https://www.giga.de/webapps/netflix/specials/disney-plus-streamingdienst-start-inhalt-preis

If you’re on social media it may well be worth asking the question on the respective Disney+ channels about the Scandinavian services to come?
 

Yeah, HBO are pretty much on the ball with their services all over the world (a few early leaks for Game Of Thrones apart 😉). Disney stuttering the release of the Disney+ around the world will likely see many opt for the Dark Side route of obtaining content they wish to see… and some may not bother with the official Disney+ service when it is eventually available in their respective countries…
 

Well, I’m awaiting for the inevitable youtube videos outraged at the thought of Rey winning the sabre fight vs Kylo - despite Kylo HAVING THE HIGH GROUND in that teaser poster!!! If this happen in the film it means Rey is now even more powerful than Anakin was and this is now 100% GUARANTEED CONFIRMED EVIDENCE that Rey is a total Mary Sue!!! 😉

DominicCobb said:

That is one sweet and tantalising teaser poster ❤️

https://www.starwars.com/news/d23-expo-2019-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-poster-revealed
 

Someone has knocked up a ‘motion version’ gif of it too, here:-

https://twitter.com/sw_archive/status/1165379876989390848

The 1st TROS reel from Friday’s D23 - https://twitter.com/TheSWU/status/1164966675369865216

and “D23 ‘The Rise Of Skywalker’ Footage To Debut Monday, Description Available Now - http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2019/08/d23-rise-of-skywalker-footage-to-debut.html” - https://twitter.com/TheSWU (re the 2nd TROS reel)

digitalfreaknyc said:

SilverWook said:

Some leaked D23 footage. Spoiler alert!
https://twitter.com/NathanRojas5/status/1164962446626512896?s=20

Did anyone save it?

It can also be found here mate (the 1st IX reel; only l0 seconds long, from someone’s mobile phone):-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Zq0z6I_AQ & https://twitter.com/TheSWU/status/1164966675369865216

Mocata said:

Why is this same kind of article still being published?

Because near-on two years of this stuff just isn’t enough?

Oh… clicks, ads and $$$ from sensationalising and misleading titles and headlines with certain keywords to try and attract hits to said articles too.

It doesn’t apply so much to this article - yet there’s money to be made from peddling division, hate, toxicity and negativity online - and enforcing (repeating again and again) those views.

At no point are there quotes from Rian Johnson in the article stating he ‘subverted’ anything.

The only quotes from him in the article are…

“I think the instant you start thinking in terms of how do you not step outside of the bounds of what the original movies did, you’re not thinking the way the people who made the original movies did,” he said. “With every movie, they were pushing it forward, with every movie they were stepping outside those bounds and pushing the characters into new, emotionally honest, but surprising places."

“That’s why those movies are great. That’s why they’re alive. If they had been looking at something that came before it and saying, ‘Oh, we better not do this because that is outside of this or that,’ it would’ve been different.”

Shopping Maul said:

I think the video is every bit as bad as what he’s supposedly railing against (if not worse). Lest I be accused of being ‘toxic’ myself, let me reiterate that I’m left-leaning, drink soy milk, and despise what the internet has become. But this video is exactly the kind of smug clickbait crap that he’s supposedly taking a stance against. Any idiot can pull quotes from the likes of Jeremy from Geeks and Gamers and build an entire case around it. This is ridiculous. We have to get away from this stupid Star Wars tribalism and let each argument be assessed on its merit and intent, rather than these insane ‘us vs them’ rampages on both ‘sides’.

Worse than the videos he’s supposedly ‘railing against’? Seems he pulled a fair few videos, across a range of time, from far far more than just the one channel, and put together a video highlighting some of the toxic, divisive, and negative clickbait around over the past couple of years. Is what was featured in the video mis-representative of the channels featured? No.

‘clickbait crap’? Well, he did title it the ‘Review Of The Fandom Menace’ 😉 Yet I don’t see the usual keywords associated these type of videos. In fact, in the description there is nothing there apart from ‘They were nobody’.

Highlighting the content of these toxic videos isn’t ‘tribalism’ - it is giving an insight, an opinion (seemingly quite a rare one), to just what some of them are actually about and - how they operate without factual info, balance or seemingly much thought or research.

‘Ridiculous’? How is the video ridiculous? I’d say it is pretty informative - in a light & non-serious sense - given the nature of the video. I’m not aware of their being other videos out there akin to this one (if there are, please are let me know - I’d like to see how they compare, for one). Afterall, any ‘idiot’ can put together such a video?

As said before, I don’t agree with all the points made (who does?); many others likely won’t either - and will take different things from it. Though going on your post re this video alone… man, you must be absolutely scathing about the actual countless toxic, negative and divisive videos out there over the past few years… perhaps could you point me to some of your critical posts on them, please?
 

By the way MajorLee debated Mauler and crew on a series called EFAP and couldn’t answer/justify any of the legitimate concerns (ie plot holes, lore, character arcs etc etc) concerning TLJ. His default was along the lines of an exasperated “I don’t care, I just love this movie”. And that’s fine, but to then turn around and push this particular narrative, when he knows full well that there are wide ranging and legitimate views concerning these films, is disingenuous at best. He is literally being just as petulant a fanboy as those he seeks to bring down.

Don’t be fooled by the fact that you might agree with his sentiment.

I don’t know who those guys are, and I’m not sure what that has got to do with the video above - unless it’s something to be used against the creator of it? I don’t know anything about this Major guy (I haven’t even checked out his other videos) - seems he did a decent job highlighting some of the toxicity, negativity and absurd claims going around from a fair few youtube channels & social media, in it.

‘Don’t be fooled by the fact that you might agree with his sentiment?’ - I don’t think anyone is - it’s more about the video he made - than the character behind it (like I say I don’t know anything about him). And in this context does it matter? Probably not.

‘push this particular narrative’ - again, I don’t think he is pushing anything - other than offering an insight into what goes into many of these toxic or repeatedly negative video channels - and also what doesn’t go into them.

It seems you are attempting to somehow discredit the man behind the video - rather than discussing the actual content he highlighted in the video. A shame, that.

By the way, did you attempt a similar stance / criticism to the video creators of the more toxic channels and media which you also have taken issue with? Could you point me to some of them, please? I’d be interested in reading them.

Anchorhead said:

That video should be required viewing for everyone who comes here to peddle bullshit, hate, and racism. Even if half of the assholes featured actually believe their own misogyny and racism, it’s still too many. Our culture has become toxic and this is an extension of it. The louder voices, like Zero, are just tending to their herd and keeping them angry. I almost feel sorry for their followers. I’m going to have to keep that link handy for when I’m banning trolls.

Likewise for your above response, Jason. You summed up everything that (unfortunately) needs to be repeated from time to time. People need to go outdoors occasionally. I’ve a mind to make that an announcement post. If I thought it could be done, it would be a required read before a new account is able to participate.

We could look into the possibility of doing something akin to this…
 

^ No worries, mate.

For us people in the UK it seems we’ll be getting Disney+ (or rather, The Mandalorian) sometime ‘early 2020’…

https://twitter.com/StarWarsUK/status/1165147142241079296

^ ‘The Mandalorian, the first live-action Star Wars series, only on #DisneyPlus. Coming to you early 2020.’

Given Disney+ launches in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, & Netherlands mid-November… I’m sure everybody in the UK will be patient and just wait a few months for their Mandalorian fix. That the good people on the internet will not be posting spoilers or information from the series they have seen, meanwhile.

‘This is a dangerous time for the UKers, when they will be tempted by the Dark Side of the Force’…

^ and I’m not talking about Brexit (too late) or the possibility of voting for Boris in a General Election (then you are lost!) 😉
 

A new timeline… 😉

(though still no Holiday Special, two Ewok films, ‘The Clone Wars’ film, or the animated ‘Droids’, ‘Ewoks’ & ‘Clone Wars’ series in these… 😉)

https://twitter.com/DisneyD23/status/1165058557789687808

‘JUST ANNOUNCED: Hello there! Ewan McGregor will reprise his role as Obi-Wan Kenobi in an untitled series for #DisneyPlus! #D23Expo’

or

https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1165066376429486080

‘Hello there! Just announced at #D23Expo: Ewan McGregor will reprise his role as Obi-Wan Kenobi in a new original series, coming to #DisneyPlus.’

and also here:-

https://www.starwars.com/news/the-galaxy-far-far-away-just-got-a-little-bigger

‘The Disney+ panel was the first to announce an all-new Star Wars series in development, one that many fans have been asking to see since the closing scenes of 2005’s Revenge of the Sith. Ewan McGregor, who played Obi-Wan Kenobi, electrified the audience when he emerged following the announcement of his involvement in a new series taking place eight years after the events of Revenge of the Sith, where we last saw Obi-Wan delivering the infant Luke Skywalker to his Tatooine homestead.’

and…

https://twitter.com/getfandom/status/1165060686449238016?s=21 (with video of the announcement)
 

The Mandalorian trailer…

https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1165057650456850433

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOC8E8z_ifw (the official Star Wars youtube channel)
 

https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1165054385669279744

‘Just announced at #D23Expo, the next season of The Clone Wars will premiere in February on #DisneyPlus.’

‘Ming-Na Wen joins The Mandalorian cast’:-

https://ew.com/tv/2019/08/23/ming-na-wen-the-mandalorian-cast
 

With a short video clip of Ming Na Wen talking about it here:-

https://twitter.com/SYFYWIRE/status/1164983913170767873
 

Mistakes were made…

LordZerome1080 said:

It is with deepest sorrow and regret that I have to announce the sudden death of my grandmother Herta Leman. I am heartbroken. I need all the support you can offer

I am so sorry for your loss, LZ.