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#1311122
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YouTube/Vimeo/etc... Star Wars video finds
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MrSundayMovies recently did a retrospective video on the whole Shadow of the Empire multimedia project, which was pretty interesting on its own, but he recently uploaded the two cinematic sections created for the video. Both are essentially just partially animated illustrations with diloague/narration from two chapters from the book, but they’re quite good, especially as little short films on their own.

The Emperor, Darth Vader & Xizor - Shadows Of The Empire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j2WUwTi7_4

Darth Vader Meditation - Shadows Of The Empire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9nGydqkNKQ

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#1310926
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<strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - a general discussion thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
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So I finally got to watch the show after a looot of hassle, and here’s my thoughts on the show so far.
(PS. Geoblocking is such a bizarre thing. For the past couple of weeks I’ve basically been in Fry meme mode, and I can’t wait until whenever they decide to arbitrarily launch Disney+ in Scandinavia so that I can watch it, and a lot of the other stuff there, properly.)

I think Lucasfilm has finally understood that the best way to make SW content is to do it the same way Lucas originally did it; e.g. take inspiration from westerns, samurai films, WWII films, etc. as opposed to simply imitating SW itself. Imitating previous SW films just ends up feeling like a copy of a copy, but RO (IMO) worked so well because it borrowed heavily from WWII stories (as the OT did). And by toning down the western feel, and ditching the samurai stuff it managed to feel different from the OT while still feeling like it belong in the same world. Likewise I like that the Mandalorian is borrowing from the same sources, but emphasizing some of them and toning down others in order to create its own unique feel.

I also like that the show has embraced some of the more absurd elements of the OT and never wasted time explaining stuff. I get why the fobs annoy some people, and even I scratched my head watching ep. 3 for the first time, but I’ve come to see it as being very much in line with the OT before every little detail had to be explained by some source book or online article. SW-tech was always very fantasy like and never got any proper explanations, so I don’t really need an explanation for how the fobs work, though I’m sure they’ll come up with a clever excuse at some point. I especially liked the alien with the flute in the first scene. Again, it doesn’t make sense in a sci-fi-sense that a flute summons a speeder, but it has a nice fantasy feel to it and it adds that sense of mystery and wonder that made the OT and very early EU material so unique.

I see that some people have complained about the slow pace and lack of continuing narrative, and I personally say “thank goodness” for that. I’m probably part of a tiny minority when it comes to series, but I personally have no patience for modern narratives like GOT. It’s just too damn long for me and I loose interest quickly, and a show that takes it time and gives us “slice of life” narratives in the SW universe is just what I personally wanted. I’m glad there’s an overarching story, but I’m also glad it doesn’t take up every single minute of the series. I also think the pacing is a pretty perfect blend of fast and slow. When stuff happens it’s fast and exciting, but when it slows down it takes on a very 70’s movie type of pacing that I really miss in modern movies and series.

The more I think about the overall structure of the show I realize that it’s very inspired by Filoni’s Clone Wars series, which in turn is very inspired by old movie serials like Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers (which is obviously appropriate for SW). I admittedly haven’t watched a lot of these old serials, but the ones that I have seen reminded me a lot of CW and Mandalorian in that they had a main plot stretched over several smaller and unrelated mini-adventures.

Episode 2 is so far my favourite episode. It was simple, took its time, and managed to tell a story with minimal dialogue and focused more on visual storytelling. I honestly didn’t expect anything from this series to be so well directed, and although the rest of it has been well directed it has been more straight forward storytelling. Both of the episodes directed by Rick Famuyiwa have been my favourite so far. The others directors, especially Deborah Chow have done a good job, but Famuyiwa’s episodes just really stand out to me, especially visually.

There are some quirks that weirded me out overall, though its mostly nitpicking. To me, and probably a lot of SW fans, anything OT-related feels off if it deviates from the 70’s/80’s style and feel that we associate with the original films and some times a few characters in the series felt “off”. The blue alien in ep. 1 and especially the waitress in ep. 4 felt weird, but I usually manage to ignore these minor gripes when I watched the episodes again. I don’t think all the actors involved quite get that oddly specific style that OT-era SW works best in, though I’m actually surprised by how well its worked out overall.

I really like the music as well. It was a bit jarring for the first 10 minutes or so because its so different from the John Williams classic style we’re used to, but the more I listen to it it comes off as a homage to a lot of 70’s TV shows, but with some more modern elements added to it. I’m pretty sure there are sections inspired from Rocky, the Star Trek movies, and I even think I heard a few Battlestar Galactica inspired moments in there as well. The more modern bits gave me a Blade Runner 2049 vibe. There are some moments that are a bit too on the nose, especially in ep. 4, but it never bothered me.

Overall though I’m really enjoying this show and I’m really looking forward to both the Obi-Wan series and especially the Kassian Andor focused show.

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#1310875
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The new Star Wars comics - a general discussion thread
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Preview from Kylo Ren #2:
https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2019/12/rise-of-kylo-ren-issue-two-preview.html

I didn’t really know what to expect from Will Sliney, but this actually looks really good.

Also, is it just me, or has Sliney imitated Camuncoli’s style a little bit? The way Luke is drawn reminded me a lot of how Obi-Wan looked in the Darth Vader series.

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#1309877
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The original Marvel Star Wars series
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screams in the void said:

I got lost exploring this site for a few hours today…lots of international covers for the classic Marvel series here…the ones from Indonesia and Spain are both cool and batshit crazy ! http://swcomiccollector.blogspot.com/search/label/Retro Foreign?updated-max=2017-03-26T00:18:00-07:00&max-results=20&start=47&by-date=false

Ditto on that first statement.

Indonesian Star Wars Komik Spesial Cypress #1
http://swcomiccollector.blogspot.com/2015/12/retro-foreign-indonesian-star-wars.html

Man, and I though some of the Norwegian comics were heavily edited. At least the Norwegian editing made some sense, but the Indonesian comic literally just pasted panels from different issues, and with a completely different artist, into SW Annual #1. They even removed the background art in several panels and the cover is a complete mess that looks like scrapbook collage. You can almost make out some Infantino art at the top of the cover. Seems like they took one of the Marvel covers and literally just glued a weird picture of Mark Hamill on top of it.


Brazilian O Incrivel Hulk #25 - 27
http://swcomiccollector.blogspot.com/2016/02/retro-foreign-brazilian-o-incrivel-hulk.html

I find the Brazilian ones quite interesting though. It reminds me a little bit of what they did in Norway, where they often bundled stories that didn’t quite belong together, but at least they never did anything as weird as Star Wars and the Hulk. Having said that, though, had this been in Norwegian I’d totally read it as a kid.


The most interesting one that I’ve found so far, however, has to be the one from Lebanon.

Lebanese Beyond the Universe Album #2
http://swcomiccollector.blogspot.com/2016/06/retro-foreign-lebanese-beyond-universe.html

At first it didn’t really stand out among all the other strange stuff posted on the site, but this comment made me see it in a very different light;

“Remarkably, these comics were published in Lebanon in the middle of a 15 year civil war that began in 1975. For Lebanese children who grew up during this era, the Grendizer cartoon and comics were a distraction from the atrocities that were taking place in their country.”


These are actually quite cool TBH (and I kinda want one for my collection). Even the random sci-fi posters and the weird Star Trek photonovel-thing looks quite interesting. This one was just the right amount of weird and esoteric, while still showing that it was made by people who clearly cared for the source material, to make it special as opposed to just strange or novel like many of the other foreign editions.


PS. The Yugoslavian version of ANH has by far the most hideous colouring of any comic book I’ve ever seen and I don’t think I’ll ever complain about the sometimes odd colour choices in old Scandinavian comics ever again after seeing this.

https://i.imgur.com/ufnGwA8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tXf8Hft.jpg

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#1309811
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The original Marvel Star Wars series
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screams in the void said:

ZkinandBonez said:

I take back my previous statement about the weirdest cover, this is by far the strangest one;

This is clearly the cover for issue #2 but with Luke re-drawn to look like Han and with Obi Wan’s head covered by a helmet. The other Colombian covers are the same as the originals (minus the colours) and this issue seems to come from after the movie adaptation so I have no idea what’s going on here.

in the blog , he explains that it translates to new planets and perils , which is issue 7 , the first comic after the movie . Ben has his head replaced with what is supposed to be the insect priest from that issue and his lightsaber is supposed to be is staff , they shortened Luke’s tunic a bit and put Han’s vest on him and changed te hair to brown . Yeah, it was a very weird choice to repurpose the cover to issue 2 like that . Keep going back a few pages and you will see more strange stuff !

Ah, that makes sense (sort of). It’s funny how Han talks to Chewie on the cover (I used google translate) despite him not being on the cover. It’s basically the same dialogue from the cover of #2, but with Han telling chewie to keep shooting. The spanish translation also seems to have interpreted “chewie” quite literally and used the word for chewing as his name. I first though “masca” might refer to a mask since I thought Ben was masked, but it seems to literally just say “chew”.

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#1309707
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The original Marvel Star Wars series
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I take back my previous statement about the weirdest cover, this is by far the strangest one;

This is clearly the cover for issue #2 but with Luke re-drawn to look like Han and with Obi Wan’s head covered by a helmet. The other Colombian covers are the same as the originals (minus the colours) and this issue seems to come from after the movie adaptation so I have no idea what’s going on here.

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#1309601
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The original Marvel Star Wars series
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screams in the void said:

I got lost exploring this site for a few hours today…lots of international covers for the classic Marvel series here…the ones from Indonesia and Spain are both cool and batshit crazy ! http://swcomiccollector.blogspot.com/search/label/Retro Foreign?updated-max=2017-03-26T00:18:00-07:00&max-results=20&start=47&by-date=false

This one’s my favourite of the odd ones (the rest are actually quite good/accurate). All the other covers I could tell which story it represented, but this one baffled me. First of all Han has a lightsaber and the spaceship in the background looks like something from a Chris Foss painting. My first guess was that this was an attempt at illustrating issue #28 but the text translates to “fly to the fury” (e.g. Flight into Fury) so I guess this is the last part of the Wheel storyline.

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#1309436
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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TavorX said:

Kinda weird to think in-universe that the bad guys explicitly call their side the “dark-side.” Paradoxically they don’t believe they are evil but they’re also conceding that they are evil. It makes more sense to stick with monikers like Sith vs Jedi. Like Republicans vs Democrats, either side is going to think the other side is demonizing. Neither would logically say they are evil or morally bankrupt themselves on their side of the fence. It’s not the most attractive way to recruit others. Imagine if Vader didn’t say scary things to Luke like “dark side” and just more things to try to screw with his head such as Obi-Wan being a liar. Saying you’re evil kinda cancels out anything else you say versus just appearing like you believe you’re in the right.

Just because we in the real world often to assume “light vs dark” symbolizes “good vs evil” that doesn’t meant it applies to the SW universe. Also, I’m quite positive there would be plenty of people IRL that would have no issues what so ever with joining the “dark” side. If anything it has an edgy, or even exotic, vibe to it that would appeal to plenty of people.

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#1309176
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The original Marvel Star Wars series
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screams in the void said:

yet another example of concept art being used in the series…Admiral Giel’s flagship in issues 60-61 was based on a Joe Johnston sketch for Vader’s Executor…https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Helmsman_(battlecruiser)

That’s a pretty cool design. It’s interesting that version shown at the top of the wookieepedia article resembles the comic version more than the reverse-angle sketch, so in a sense the “canonical” design is more Smonson/Palmer than Joe Johnston.

This makes me wonder if some of Infantino’s wacky star destroyer designs were based on anything pre-existing as well;
http://www.battlegrip.com/9-incredible-star-destroyers-by-carmine-infantino-found-in-marvels-star-wars-comics/

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#1309175
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<em>The Empire Strikes Back</em> has a similar problem to <em>The Force Awakens</em>, and it isn't really talked about that much.
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Although it was never a guarantee until after ANH became a success, Lucas always intended (or at east hoped) for SW to be a series. The first couple of drafts (as mentioned above) had an end-crawl promising a sequel, and early drafts even included “Episode 1” and “Saga 1” in the title. Lucas even hired Alan Dean Foster to write a low budget sequel (“Splinter of the Mind’s Eye”) before the film was released, which he of course scrapped once it became a huge success and he decided to do a proper sequel instead.

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#1307594
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Broom Kid said:

Comedy is all about confidence. Own your joke, deliver your joke, and move on asap. The problem with “They fly now” is that the joke is done the second Threepio delivers the line. There should be a cut back to the action at that point because your’e not topping that.

General Hugs is perfectly fine, it just goes on too long, too. Star Wars comedy is often very irreverent and of its time (the fact Han is calling Leia sister in Star Wars is some very of-the-moment '70s stuff too. I don’t know that I’d call it “SNL Cringe” but I think you probably could if it was 1979) but what keeps it fresh is that confidence and that timing.

At this point I don’t think it really matters if the ST humour feels a bit contemporary as all trilogies have been very affected by the time they were made in. As long OT-era content has a classic/70’s feel to it then I don’t really care what the other eras do. I think Dave Filoni has this problem figured out pretty well. In Rebels he tried to make it all look and feel very 70’s (without being excessively retro), while Clone Wars’ dialogue and aesthetic felt more late 90’s early 2000’s. What does annoy me is when I read a SW Marvel comic set in the OT-era and they use blatantly modern terms and slang. As far as I’m concerned they can do that all they want for content set during the ST, but it feels weird in the OT (and the PT for that matter). I think this is why people (for the most part) responded positively to Rogue One, while Solo felt off during several scenes/moments.

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#1307527
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YouTube/Vimeo/etc. finds for Original Trilogy <strong>making-ofs, documentaries, promos</strong>, etc.
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DominicCobb said:

Learned about what sounds like a pretty great one, but I can’t seem to find where to watch it!

A Night at the Movies: George Lucas and the World of Fantasy Cinema
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4837300/

“Director George Lucas discusses the fantasy genre of films, covering more than a century of filmmaking, and explains the inspirations for his popular Star Wars saga.”

Seems to be totally unavailable to me but I’d be happy to be wrong. This is one of my favorite aspects of the films!

That sounds really interesting. I did a quick google and YT search myself and only managed to find the TCM intro for it. If it does show up at some point I’m sure someone will post it. Though, just to nitpick, as it’s more about fantasy as a genre and SW in a very broad sense so I think the General Star Wars Documentaries thread might be the better place for it.

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#1307129
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YouTube/Vimeo/etc. finds for Original Trilogy <strong>making-ofs, documentaries, promos</strong>, etc.
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As a little follow up to my first post; Michel Parbot’s The Making of The Empire Strikes Back, as well as the interview I found of Mark Hamill on the DS set in 1976, Mielr has two more interesting oddities on her YouTube channel that I felt was worth sharing here.

Mark Hamill & Harrison Ford interviews - The Empire Strikes Back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOiNF8uB4Ho

Carrie Fisher interview - The Empire Strikes Back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QFbOZJpc4

These clips are clearly outtakes from the Parbot documentary. The backgrounds, camera angles all match, but these particular clips do not appear in the finished film.

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#1306787
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YouTube/Vimeo/etc. finds for Original Trilogy <strong>making-ofs, documentaries, promos</strong>, etc.
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Standby…Lights! Camera! Action! - Leonard Nimoy hosts the making of Return of the Jedi (fragment)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqwhDLngwNY - from the Filmumentaries com YouTube channel (7 mins long)

Short promo/commercial for the episode; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThW0Zt_J4pA

“Standby…Lights! Camera! Action! was an American educational television series hosted by Leonard Nimoy. The program aired on Nickelodeon from October 1982 to December 31, 1987. Episodes of the show include interviews with film crew members and examine the stages of production for various motion pictures in a behind-the-scenes format.”
Wikipedia link.

The fragment posted above includes footage of the Jabba Sail Barge set, interviews with Phil Tippet & Richard Marquand, and a tour of the creature workshop. It also has Nimoy clarify to 1983 viewers that the title of the film has been changed from “Revenge of the Jedi” to “Return of the Jedi” and that it will be the third episode of a “middle trilogy” of nine films.

PS. I skimmed through YouTube but I couldn’t find more of the episode. Please let me know if you know where I can find the whole thing.

Vimeo backup link (uploaded by Willarob); https://vimeo.com/365776887

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#1306777
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General Star Wars Documentaries (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
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Since people really liked the YouTube/Vimeo/etc. finds for Original Trilogy making-ofs, documentaries, promos, etc. thread and have been sharing lots of interesting videos there, I figured it made sense to start a similar thread dedicated to the more generalized Star Wars documentaries out there. F.ex. documentaries or featurettes focused on Star Wars as a pop-culture phenomenon, or bios on the cast and filmmakers, etc.

POSTING GUIDELINES

  • When adding a link to a video, please add a title and/or description so that we don’t have to click on it to find out what it is. Any additional info would be appreciated as well, like f.ex. an IMDB page link, article links, or just a simple blurb. You can also add a photo; screenshot, poster, or simply add the YouTube thumbnail (like this). Alternatively, just PM me with the video link and I’ll send you the image link.
  • Fan-made videos qualify provided they are of reasonably good quality.
  • No reviews or blatant opinion-pieces.
  • Mockumentaries qualify if clearly labeled as such.

NOTE: This thread is NOT meant to be for making ofs, BTS footage, etc. If you want to share videos like that please post them on the other thread (linked above). There will of course be BTS stuff included in a lot of these videos, but something like f.ex. “The Making of The Empire Strikes Back” by Michel Parbot should not be shared here.

For a more in-depth list of where to find all Star Wars documentaries, making-ofs, etc. and where to find them there is Rodney-2187’s Guide to Star Wars Documentaries and Special Features thread.


An In-Progress Index…

1The People vs. George Lucas (2010)
2Star Wars: Star Warriors (2007)
3A Galaxy Far Far Away (2001)
4George Lucas: Creating an Empire (2002)
5George Lucas: Maker of Films (1971)
6Harmy’s Star Wars: Despecialized Edition - History & Sources Documentary (Extended Version)
7Plastic Galaxy: The Story of Star Wars Toys (2014)
8Toy Empire: The British Force Behind Star Wars Toys (region locked to UK)
9Movietonews - 1978 Featurette
10Peter Cushing: A One-Way Ticket to Hollywood (1989)
11Mark Hamill: A Force to be Reckoned With - 2002 TV special
14Ralph McQuarrie: Tribute to a Master (2012)
15Star Wars: The Legacy Revealed (2007)
16From Star Wars to Star Wars - The Story of Industrial Light and Magic (1999)
17The Mythology of Star Wars (2000)
18My Life In Monsters - Phil Tippett Documentary
19George Lucas: Flying Solo - BBC Omnibus

^ The Index was added as the thread grew to help navigate through the various Documentaries.
 

NOTE: If one of the videos should be deleted from YouTube/Vimeo/etc. please PM ZkinandBonez so that the link can either be replaced or labelled as defunct. Alternatively PM oojason or one of the other mods.

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#1306586
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YouTube/Vimeo/etc... Star Wars video finds
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oojason said:

screams in the void said:

this guy mentions the forums here …is he a member here ?..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg6wNw_uRu4

Huh - I wonder who that is… cool video 😃

The RetroBlasting youtube channel… looks a good watch!
 

Their Kenner SW videos are really fun, especially the “Star Wars follies” series.

They made a really good video recently talking about how the Spitfire inspired the X-Wing;
https://youtu.be/eKeZxupUSaA

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#1306513
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YouTube/Vimeo/etc... Star Wars video finds
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Palpatine’s Art of Camp (And How It Saved The Prequels);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05_HDCwgD28

Pretty interesting video analyzing how Ian McDiarmid, and to a somewhat lesser degree Ewan McGregor, became the most liked parts of the PT by embracing the campiness of it, while the other actors tried too hard to play it serious.

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#1306508
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Broom Kid said:

I’m pretty sure it’s actually in space - Finn’s wearing some sort of breathing apparatus.

Well, it wouldn’t be the first time SW ignored physics and just slapped some mask on someone who should technically be in a vacuum; https://youtu.be/a1Om-662nUg?t=62

(PS. not that I’m complaining, if anything I think SW is more interesting when it emphasizes story and/or action than scientific accuracy.)

On the other hand, as RogueLeader pointed out, there has been SW content recently dealing with people being sucked into space in a more sci-fi-like manner; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZTZQgBKGKg

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#1306507
Topic
Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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FunkyDays said:

Your_friendly_Imperial said:
-Hyperspace was a separate dimension which did not directly interact with Real Space

“Traveling through hyperspace ain’t like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that’d end your trip real quick, wouldn’t it?”

I’m nitpicking of course, and how hyperspace works has changed a bit since the 70’s (though I doubt Lucas had any specifics in mind), but the general idea is that while in hyperspace if a ship gets close to a large gravitational mass, e.g. a planet, star, supernova, etc., then the ship would be knocked out of hyperspace and back into realspace (usually so close that the ship would have a slim chance of moving out of the way before it’s destroyed).

Not that SW really needs a scientific explanation, but most sci-fi or sci-fantasy tend to come up with explanations like this, otherwise travelling beyond light-speed would be very impractical as any small, random piece of junk in space would tear the ships apart.

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#1306179
Topic
Zahn's Other SW Books (was: Survivor's Quest vs Outbound Flight)
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LexX said:

How’s the new Thrawn trilogy, anybody here read it? Is it PT/ST influenced, how’s the writing etc.? Would you recommend them?

The first one was great. The writing is some of Zahn’s best. Governor Pryce from SW Rebels is in it, but it doesn’t matter if you’ve seen the series or not and her arc works well on its own. A fair amount of PT stuff in it as it takes place between ROTS and ANH, but mostly just in reference to droids and certain vehicles, etc. The book even reused large parts of Thrawn’s Legends origin story.

The second one (Thrawn: Alliances) was fun for the most part, but was very limited by its position between two seasons of Rebels. Half of it takes place during the Clone Wars where Thrawn teams up with Anakin, and later Padme. The “present day” plot line is a Vader/Thrawn team up.

The third one (Thrawn: Treason) was IMO just dull. Some fun parts with the Chiss, but overall it just felt like filler and it was again limited by its canonical placement, this time between two Rebels episodes.

I’d say definetely read the first one, but the other two are skippable, though the Vader/Thrawn team up has its fun moments.

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#1306176
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YouTube/Vimeo/etc... Star Wars video finds
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screams in the void said:

this guy mentions the forums here …is he a member here ?..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg6wNw_uRu4

I don’t remember if he was ever a member or not, but he was involved with the making of Adywan’s edits of the OT I think (been a while since I saw the video where he talked about it).

Here’s the video:
https://youtu.be/uK2R-wC8BVk

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#1306035
Topic
YouTube/Vimeo/etc. finds for Original Trilogy <strong>making-ofs, documentaries, promos</strong>, etc.
Time

Mark Hamill interviewed on set of Star Wars (1976)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-XGbzcGx7s&t - from mielr’s YouTube channel.

Bit of a rarity this one as the first film didn’t really have much promotion until after it started making money on in the box office, so it’s interesting to see an interview on the DS set. We’re so used to ESB and ROTJ interviews done during the production, but I can’t recall having ever seen the same done for ANH.

Does anyone know where this is from? Or if the whole thing has been posted somewhere?