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#1326322
Topic
General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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Well, I’d say most people have gotten over the PT (choosing to simply ignore it) and eventually people will get over the ST as well.

Also I personally wouldn’t take the overall “vibe” on the internet too seriously. The people who stand out the most are the ones complaining and ranting, so it doesn’t represent the public opinion too well IMO. Plus, it depends on where you look. The “vibe” I’ve been getting generally varies from casual enjoyment too casual indifference, and the “angriest” simply being frustrated and/or disappointed or just straight up choosing to not see TROS in the first place.

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#1326297
Topic
<em>Star Wars: The Clone Wars</em> To Return With New Episodes
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NFBisms said:

It’s the conduit through which a lot of Legends stuff is somewhat canonized, basically. Things like Delta Squad or Quinlan Vos were in the show as references to the larger EU at the time. Without The Clone Wars remaining canon, certain things and characters would only be Legends now. It’s the middle of a Venn Diagram.

I kind of find it ironic given how TCW used to get flack for ignoring the EU to do its own thing. Now it’s the only canon media keeping a lot of that EU a part of the main lore.

Although I’m a big fan of the old EU I do actually prefer TCW as a new canon series, especially now that we have Rebels and season 7 (Legends TCW will always be unfinished and it was a rough ft to begin with), but I’m still fascinated by the fact that they haven’t bothered to create any new canon introductions to Grevious and Ventress. Middle of a venn-diagram as you put it is a pretty good way to describe the show overall, and it does seem pretty fitting as the last Legends entry and the first new canon entry as it was the last SW-thing that Lucas worked on.

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#1326275
Topic
<em>Star Wars: The Clone Wars</em> To Return With New Episodes
Time

yotsuya said:

ZkinandBonez said:

yotsuya said:

ZkinandBonez said:

So it just occurred to me that CW season 7 could technically qualify as both Legends and Canon at the same time. Granted the canonicity of CW pre-Disney was kind of weird and inconsistent, but it is the only non-live-action material to be canonized after Disney bought SW, and season 7 is based on unfinished episodes from the pre-Disney days, so shouldn’t the new season technically be part of both continuities? Not that this really matters overall, but I find these kinds of things fascinating.

I really don’t see any indication that TCW was ever linked to the EU/Legends. It has always been canon. The earlier 2003 mini series even fits (Anakin becoming a Jedi and getting his face scar and growing his hair out). When they announced that the EU was being cut and would be Legends and not Canon, I never for a moment thought that included anything animated. It’s canon status was never in dispute as far as I’m concerned. And what I heard officially backs that up. The 2003 series might be iffy, but the 2008 movie and series is not.

I’m not really sure what you’re saying here; everything SW related made pre-2014 qualifies as Legends. When TCW was made was simply “canon” just like everything else, except Disney decided to keep it as part of the new canon so it now exists in this weird double continuity. Even though Lucas specifically never really cared that much for canonicity and anything he made could prioritize and even overwrite other ideas, everything made was still “canon”, including the Tartakovsky CW series. There are even TCW related spin-off material that is now officially Legends, and the show even had plans to include Darth Revan and have an episode featuring the Yuuzhan Vong.

I’m not saying that TCW’s canonicity is in dispute, just that it has become an official part of two separate continuities, just like ep. 1-6 has. Though I suppose there’s no real “official” canon for Legends as all pre-2014 EU material is officially just non-canon. SW continuity isn’t as well maintained as f.ex. the various DC comics continuities, so Legends is kind of hard to define nowadays.

I’m saying that when they moved the EU to Legends that Clone Wars was not ever part of the EU and was always canon and was not included in that. Everything Dave Filoni has done has remained Canon under Disney. The EU is the Expanded Universe of books and Comics and is now Legends. The Clone Wars material that was in books and comics moved to Legends, but the series was never moved to Legends. The only reason they cancelled season 6 is that it was airing on Cartoon Network. It had nothing to do with it being kept in canon status. George was always pretty clear about that and the fact that they proceeded with Rebels which continued Filoni’s ideas made it clear that Clone Wars was canon.

I get what your saying, and yes you’re technically correct. I probably shouldn’t have used “EU” and “canon” so interchangeably.

Yes, the EU generally refers to books, comics and games, though many used the term to describe all non-movie material, but the current slew of animated series and future live-action shows have probably changed that. Regardless, “Canon” still applies to everything SW unless it is immediately labelled as non-canon, like f.ex. the old Infinities comics. When TCW was made it was canon, and when they ditched the old canon, comics, books and most of the cartoons, they only kept ep. 1-6 and TCW as their new starting point. So the “official” Legends canon includes ep. 1-6 (and obviously none of the newer movies), CW, TCW, Droids, Ewoks, and all the old books, comics, etc. This is what I meant by TCW being in a weird spot as it ties in with Legends material, but it also ties in with new canon material, so it and the Lucas movies are in this weird double-continuity space.

As for season 7, it’s only a new canon season, it even has new canon references added to it, I just think its funny that one of the latest new canon entries is based on something that was originally going to (by default, if not direct creative intent) be part of the old canon.

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#1326273
Topic
General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
Time

NeverarGreat said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I’m almost astonished by how apathetic I’ve become to Star Wars in the past couple months. There’s no hate left, no love. Just big, gray indifference.

That’s everyone after TROS.

It is? The only thing I personally feel indifferent about now is the ST (and a pretty decent chunk of the new EU). Other than that it’s pretty much “business as usual”.

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#1326168
Topic
<em>The Mandalorian</em> Discussion Thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
Time

https://comicbook.com/starwars/2020/02/20/jon-favreau-invites-star-wars-legend-to-work-on-the-mandalorian-season-2/

So Phil Tippet has expressed interest in The Mandalorian. It’s just a twitter conversation between him and Favreau so far, but it’d be fun if something actually came out of it.

I suppose Tippet could make another holochess effect like he did for TFA. Other tham that I’m not really sure what else he’d could de on a modern show like this.

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#1326083
Topic
<em>Star Wars: The Clone Wars</em> To Return With New Episodes
Time

NFBisms said:

ZkinandBonez said:

NFBisms said:

I wish they were finishing Crystal Crisis instead, to be honest.

They might make it into a comic or a novel like they did with some of the Maul episodes and the conclusion to Ventress’ arc. I think I read somewhere that Lucasfilm still treats these stories as canon, so it would be strange if they didn’t do anything with them at all in the future. Wasn’t there also a Boba Fett vs Cad Bane episode that’s still unfinished?

Well Crystal Crisis was just as completed as Bad Batch was - in animatics form - all those years ago. Fully voiced, foley’d, and storyboarded. The other incomplete arcs never got that far, which is why they were adapted into other media. If they were going to finish off either CC or BB, I would have preferred CC, that’s all I was saying. Adapting it into a book or comic would be a downgrade from its current form.

Bad Batch is fun, but that’s about it. Meanwhile, there’s good character stuff in Crystal Crisis between Anakin and Obi-Wan that directly works off of season 5 and plays into Revenge of the Sith, and probably the final Ahsoka episodes. More than clone trooper A-Team.

Right, I see what you mean. I was just saying that we might at least get something in the future so that the arc doesn’t go completely to waste. I really would have liked to see them do the Ventress and Quinlan Vos arc, but I’m glad that we at least got a novel from it (incidentally one of the few new EU books I’ve really enjoyed).

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#1326079
Topic
The random <strong>YouTube / Vimeo etc video finds</strong> thread for the Original Trilogy
Time

I already posted HelloGreedo’s ESB 1980 reviews video but I forgot that he also made one for ANH.

12 Original Star Wars Reviews from 1977
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AkIfCCNHyI&list=LLQV0RDpfstGSUF1GzQqLzCw&index=121&t - from the HelloGreedo YouTube channel (8 mins long)

The blurb;
“Star Wars Reviews from 1977 are really interesting to read. Try to imagine yourself in a time when Star Wars was just beginning to pop into existence. The excitement! The newness of it all! The awe and inspiration! These 12 original Star Wars reviews do a great job painting a picture of the time, before the craze began.”

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#1326075
Topic
Beyond the OT Documentaries (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Time

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

I honestly had never in guessed that they’d used this technology for interiors, I assumed it was only for shots like the one with Mando and the child with the sunset in the background mentioned in the video…

Yeah same here. It makes sense though…I would assume it is great to have available for pickups as well!

Yeah, and although I hope people don’t become too dependent on this technology in the future, I can definitely see the benefit of a “10 hour sunset”, not to mention that they’ll never/rarely have to add fake light interaction between actors/props and fake environments something which has plagued CG-filled films (the PT being a solid example of this), or even pre-CG VFX-filled films for that matter.

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#1326068
Topic
<em>Star Wars: The Clone Wars</em> To Return With New Episodes
Time

NFBisms said:

I wish they were finishing Crystal Crisis instead, to be honest.

They might make it into a comic or a novel like they did with some of the Maul episodes and the conclusion to Ventress’ arc. I think I read somewhere that Lucasfilm still treats these stories as canon, so it would be strange if they didn’t do anything with them at all in the future. Wasn’t there also a Boba Fett vs Cad Bane episode that’s still unfinished?

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#1326066
Topic
<em>Star Wars: The Clone Wars</em> To Return With New Episodes
Time

yotsuya said:

ZkinandBonez said:

So it just occurred to me that CW season 7 could technically qualify as both Legends and Canon at the same time. Granted the canonicity of CW pre-Disney was kind of weird and inconsistent, but it is the only non-live-action material to be canonized after Disney bought SW, and season 7 is based on unfinished episodes from the pre-Disney days, so shouldn’t the new season technically be part of both continuities? Not that this really matters overall, but I find these kinds of things fascinating.

I really don’t see any indication that TCW was ever linked to the EU/Legends. It has always been canon. The earlier 2003 mini series even fits (Anakin becoming a Jedi and getting his face scar and growing his hair out). When they announced that the EU was being cut and would be Legends and not Canon, I never for a moment thought that included anything animated. It’s canon status was never in dispute as far as I’m concerned. And what I heard officially backs that up. The 2003 series might be iffy, but the 2008 movie and series is not.

I’m not really sure what you’re saying here; everything SW related made pre-2014 qualifies as Legends. When TCW was made was simply “canon” just like everything else, except Disney decided to keep it as part of the new canon so it now exists in this weird double continuity. Even though Lucas specifically never really cared that much for canonicity and anything he made could prioritize and even overwrite other ideas, everything made was still “canon”, including the Tartakovsky CW series. There are even TCW related spin-off material that is now officially Legends, and the show even had plans to include Darth Revan and have an episode featuring the Yuuzhan Vong.

I’m not saying that TCW’s canonicity is in dispute, just that it has become an official part of two separate continuities, just like ep. 1-6 has. Though I suppose there’s no real “official” canon for Legends as all pre-2014 EU material is officially just non-canon. SW continuity isn’t as well maintained as f.ex. the various DC comics continuities, so Legends is kind of hard to define nowadays.

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#1326033
Topic
The Random YouTube, Vimeo etc. video finds thread for Beyond the OT
Time

Lots of interesting observations here. I personally don’t agree with everything he says, especially in the second video (like f.ex. I don’t think TROS makes Vader’s sacrifice pointless), but I do agree with the general broad strokes of it.

What Do We Want From a Star Wars Movie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeUGLUYYYNQ - from the Patrick (H) Willems YouTube channel (20 mins long)

What Do We Want From a Star Wars Movie? (Part II)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PjlM2R88E0 - from the Patrick (H) Willems YouTube channel (31 mins long)

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#1326032
Topic
The Random YouTube, Vimeo etc. video finds thread for Beyond the OT
Time

VFX Artists React to THE PREQUELS Bad & Great CGi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbAV4dO8gvM - from the Corridor Crew YouTube channel (15 mins long)

The blurb:
“The Crew reacts to some of their favorite Bad and Great CGi Shots from the Star Wars Prequels!”

(They also did a similar video for the OT.)

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#1326031
Topic
The Random YouTube, Vimeo etc. video finds thread for Beyond the OT
Time

In the same vein as Ripplin’s YouTube/Vimeo/etc… Star Wars finds thread which is ow in the Expanded Universe section, and Fated-Dualist’s The random YouTube / Vimeo etc video finds thread for the Original Trilogy thread of the OT section, I figured it made sense to make one for the post OT movies and series as well.

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#1326020
Topic
Beyond the OT Documentaries (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Time

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

I’ve been waiting for this!

Man, the BTS footage is…confusing to look at!
I hope that, in the future, they’ll release another video breaking down a single scene or shot and how they achieve it.

Hopefully, as other shows and movies start using it, they’ll probably have to go into more details for the “general” public, especially when they’ll have to start teaching film students about it, etc.

They do illustrate fairly well at 0:33 how it works. From what I’ve gathered the camera is in contact with the computer(s) rendering the game-engine so that it can move around without revealing a 2D image (which happend with a lot of backdrops in old movies), but what I’m still unsure about is how the camera knows where it is located on the real set. I would assume this tech (for now at least) only works with certain digital cameras.

I’ve seen videos where they had one screen doing this, but when you wrap it around a whole set then it becomes complicated. I honestly had never in guessed that they’d used this technology for interiors, I assumed it was only for shots like the one with Mando and the child with the sunset in the background mentioned in the video, or f.ex. in ep. 1 when Mando and Quiil leans down on a ridge and sees the camp down in the valley. It’s really strange to see Herzog’s office just vanish and turn into a white wall (gave me a TNG holodeck vibe).

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#1325969
Topic
<em>The Mandalorian</em> Discussion Thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
Time

I just posted this on the Beyond the OT Documentaries thread, but figured it made sense to share it here as well.

The Virtual Production of The Mandalorian, Season One
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUnxzVOs3rk - from the ILMVFX YouTube channel (4:40 mins long)

The blurb:
“A behind the scenes look at the groundbreaking virtual production technology used on The Mandalorian, Season One. Over 50 percent of The Mandalorian Season 1 was filmed using this ground-breaking new methodology, eliminating the need for location shoots entirely. Instead, actors in The Mandalorian performed in an immersive and massive 20’ high by 270-degree semicircular LED video wall and ceiling with a 75’-diameter performance space, where the practical set pieces were combined with digital extensions on the screens.”

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#1325968
Topic
Beyond the OT Documentaries (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Time

The Virtual Production of The Mandalorian, Season One
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUnxzVOs3rk - from the ILMVFX YouTube channel (4:40 mins long)

The blurb:
“A behind the scenes look at the groundbreaking virtual production technology used on The Mandalorian, Season One. Over 50 percent of The Mandalorian Season 1 was filmed using this ground-breaking new methodology, eliminating the need for location shoots entirely. Instead, actors in The Mandalorian performed in an immersive and massive 20’ high by 270-degree semicircular LED video wall and ceiling with a 75’-diameter performance space, where the practical set pieces were combined with digital extensions on the screens.”

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#1325156
Topic
Beyond the OT Documentaries (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Time

ILM Spotlight Featurettes from Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

ILM: Behind the Magic in Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBvi8opWTiQ - from the ILMVFX YouTube channel (3 mins long)

Blurb:
“This full-length reel represents a sample of the work created for over 1750 shots by hundreds of artists, scientists, and engineers around the world.”

ILM: Behind the Magic of Grand Moff Tarkin in Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlSn50_BePU - from the ILMVFX YouTube channel (40 sec long)

Blurb:
“A look at the Oscar Nominated Visual Effects work behind the recreation of Wilhuff Tarkin for Rogue One: A Star Wars Story.”

ILM: Behind the Magic of the Battle of Scarif in Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUjhNSDmb9I - from the ILMVFX YouTube channel (1 min long)

Blurb:
“A taste of the Oscar Nominated Visual Effects and virtual camera work behind the space battle above Scarif in Rogue One: A Star Wars Story.”

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#1325153
Topic
Beyond the OT Documentaries (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Time

ILM Spotlight Featurettes from Star Wars: The Last Jedi

ILM: Behind the Magic of Supreme Leader Snoke in Star Wars: The Last Jedi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Ld3phO1V0 - from the ILMVFX YouTube channel (1:40 mins long)

Blurb:
“Take a look behind the magic at the Oscar nominated Visual Effects of Star Wars: The Last Jedi. In this clip we get a closer look at the motion capture performance by Andy Serkis and the incredible work by ILM Artists to bring Snoke to life.”

ILM: Behind the Magic of the Battle of Crait in Star Wars: The Last Jedi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TolPxaXrCfU - from the ILMVFX YouTube channel (1 min long)

Blurb:
“Take a look behind the magic at the Oscar nominated Visual Effects of Star Wars: The Last Jedi. In this clip we follow the rebels to Crait for a showdown with the First Order.”

ILM: Behind the Magic of the Mega Star Destroyer’s Hangar Bay in Star Wars: The Last Jedi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ2R0Sr-xes - from the ILMVFX YouTube channel (30 sec long)

Blurb:
“Take a look behind the magic at the Oscar nominated Visual Effects of Star Wars: The Last Jedi. In this clip we get a closer look at whats involved in creating the massive hangar set.”

ILM: Behind the Magic of the Dreadnought Bomber Run in Star Wars: The Last Jedi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6FXNz-eYv0 - from the ILMVFX YouTube channel (1:20 mins long)

Blurb:
“Take a look behind the magic at the Oscar nominated Visual Effects of Star Wars: The Last Jedi. In this clip we see what kind of damage a single member of the Resistance can inflict on the First Order.”

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#1325144
Topic
Beyond the OT Documentaries (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Time

ILM Spotlight Featurettes from Solo: A Star Wars Story

ILM: Behind the Magic of the Speeder Chase in Solo: A Star Wars Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGebheN-DWw - from the ILMVFX YouTube channel (1 min long)

Blurb:
“A glimpse at the opening sequence of Solo: A Star Wars Story and the visual effects used to create Corellia.”

ILM: Behind the Magic of the Train Heist in Solo: A Star Wars Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzwl8iQE4ZQ - from the ILMVFX YouTube channel (40 sec long)

Blurb:
“A glimpse behind the magic of Solo: A Star Wars Story and the visual effects of The Train Heist.”

ILM Spotlight: Creating Lando’s Millennium Falcon for Solo: A Star Wars Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Y5MjxXJsY - from the ILMVFX YouTube channel (3 mins long)

Blurb:
“A look at the creation of Lando’s Falcon for Solo: A Star Wars Story.”

ILM Spotlight: Creating L3-37 for Solo: A Star Wars Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkaQQISSMFA - from the ILMVFX YouTube channel (2:35 mins long)

Blurb:
“A look at the creation of L3-37 for Solo: A Star Wars Story.”

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#1324156
Topic
The random <strong>YouTube / Vimeo etc video finds</strong> thread for the Original Trilogy
Time

Star Wars C-3PO & R2-D2 Smoking PSA 1983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPMu8QP8M9M - from the Neil Bowyer YouTube channel (1 min long)

The blurb:
“A Star Wars–themed public service announcement produced by the United States Department of Health and Human Services aired in 1983 and starred the droids C-3PO and R2-D2, who warned children about the dangers of smoking. The television spot consisted of a skit in which C-3PO finds R2-D2 smoking a cigarette, prompting C-3PO to explain the negative physical effects of smoking and how the two of them should set a good example for Humans.”

To me the funniest part of this video is that this interaction doesn’t really seem that out of character for Artoo and Threepio.