StarkillerAG

Telion said:

adywan said:

I added the TFA bunker in ESB:R.

Um I am a bit confused does anyone know what Ady means by added The Force Awaken bunker to EP V? I couldn’t find anything in the ot,com posts and I’m not sure what bunker it is refering to.

It’s the bunker in the Millennium Falcon that Finn and Rey are hiding in when Han first shows up. I didn’t realize that Ady added it to Revisited either.

adywan said:

The ending to ROTJ:R will be the 1983 version of the film. No planet montage, no Hayden and no Victory Celebration.

And there won’t be 2 audio tracks for ROTJ. I really dislike the Victor Celebration music, even more when realising its just copy of a piece of music that was used as a rough guide from a Native American mini-series. I’ve always felt since 1997 that it sounds so out of place in the film, and now i know why

About the ending celebration, have you considered using a piece of music for that scene that isn’t Yub Nub or Victory Celebration? I understand why you feel that Victory Celebration is out of place with the usual style of John Williams’ score, but Yub Nub is even more out of place in my opinion: Way too cheesy and kiddie-feeling for what’s supposed to be a heartfelt ending.

My personal suggestion would be using a non-diegetic piece of orchestral music, preferably something written by John Williams. The shots of the Ewoks playing instruments would be cut out, and some extra shots from the SE ending could be added to make up for those cuts. Someone on this site already did a test of syncing the celebration up to the “Luke and Leia” theme, and it worked pretty well.

Just a suggestion though: not trying to tell you how to make your edit. If you like Yub Nub, that’s fine.

Tantive3+1 said:

StarkillerAG said:

That was obviously the intention in ANH, but only because they hadn’t come up with the “Anakin became Vader” twist yet: “Darth Vader” was supposed to be his actual name. But once the father twist was written in ESB, Obi-Wan suddenly started saying “Vader” instead of “Darth”, implying that “Darth” was now a title given to Vader once he turned to the dark side.

If Darth Vader was meant to be his actual name then after they came up with the “Anakin became Vader” twist, it should be implied that this is the new name that he took on when he turned to the dark side. In ROTJ when Luke says “I’ve accepted the truth that you were once Anakin Skywalker, my father” Vader says to him “That name no longer has any meaning for me”.

That’s an interesting idea, but I feel like it wouldn’t really work with just editing the movies. The only way that would really make sense is if “Darth Vader” was an already existing character who Anakin killed and stole his identity (similar to Char from Gundam). But since no character like that exists in the actual prequels, I feel like the only good option for a fanedit would be to keep “Darth” being a title.

Tantive3+1 said:

In ANH when Tarkin says “The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that’s left of their religion”. This implies that Vader is meant to be a “Dark Jedi” or a Jedi who uses the dark side of the force, so the word Sith shouldn’t be used in the PT.

Things like the Rule of Two were just made up as an explanation for why Vader and Palpatine were the only ones in the OT.

A lot of people assume that, but Vader and Palpatine were always supposed to be called “Sith”, even when the OT was being made: there was a deleted line in ANH’s Imperial council scene where Vader was said to be a “Sith Lord sent by the Emperor”, and the novelization referred to Vader as a “Dark Lord of the Sith” in his very first scene.

When Obi-Wan says to Vader “Only a master of evil Darth” this implies that this is the first part of his name and not a title that was given to him, so all other Sith/Dark Jedi shouldn’t have Darth in their names. Palpatine should just be known as Palpatine, Count Dooku should just be known as Count Dooku, and when the name Darth Vader comes up it shouldn’t be revealed that it’s referring to Anakin.

That was obviously the intention in ANH, but only because they hadn’t come up with the “Anakin became Vader” twist yet: “Darth Vader” was supposed to be his actual name. But once the father twist was written in ESB, Obi-Wan suddenly started saying “Vader” instead of “Darth”, implying that “Darth” was now a title given to Vader once he turned to the dark side.

Overall, I feel like the portrayal of the Sith in the prequels is perfectly consistent with their portrayal in the OT, and I don’t really see the need to radically change it for “consistency” like some editors have done. I’m fine with cutting the Rule of Two though, but only because Disney has pretty much forgotten about it with all the Sith Inquisitors and Sith Acolytes running around.

Spammer peddling crypto BS:

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Just so you know, Bounding Into Comics is insanely biased towards the Gamergate “white male nerd rage” side of things, with tons of fake stories about Kathleen Kennedy being fired from Lucasfilm and other fanboy wish fulfillment fantasies. So I would take their spin on events with a massive grain of salt.

In general, I understand why Rian and others involved with TLJ would want to fight back against the absurd spam of personal attacks and death threats aimed at them by losers on the internet. But their reactions were still a bit unprofessional, especially when they ended up associating completely normal TLJ critics with the loser trolls. It feels like the recent controversy with Will Smith slapping Chris Rock: It’s normal to be offended by a poor-taste attack against something personal to you, but responding with an even bigger attack against the attacker doesn’t make you look good.

Another spammer (doing a pretty good job at hiding themselves):

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Darth Malgus said:

I loved your Padme film title post here: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Alternative-Star-Wars-Movie-Titles-Keep-Checking-the-First-Post/id/13439/page/5#1477322 I was off thinking of other similar film titles for other characters after seeing that. 😃

Thank you. ♥️
But you didn’t answer my question: what is TFN? You said it’s a pro-PT site. I’d be interested in taking a look at it…

TFN is an abbreviation for theforce.net, a Star Wars forum created around the same time as this site. These two forums have always had opposing perspectives on the franchise: while this site is more focused on OT purism and criticizing the flaws with modern SW, TFN is more accepting of the modern state of the franchise, especially when it comes to the prequel era. There’s a lot less of a rivalry between those sites now than there used to be, but that difference in attitudes is still there.

darklordoftech said:

Jerjerrod telling Vader he needs more “men” rather than using a gender-neutral term.

You realize ROTJ was made in 1983, right? I’m all for gender-neutral language, but that just seems petty.

Just a brief question: Why is the blue version 2 minutes longer than the normal version? Are there some alternate changes you made specifically for that version?

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This is going to sound like high treason, but Casablanca has to be one of the most overrated movies of all time. I tried watching it once a couple years ago, but I was so incredibly bored that I turned it off halfway through.

The thing is, a historical drama focused on people trying to live their lives on the outskirts of World War 2 could have been great. It could have an ensemble cast from various nations and walks of life, trying to escape from this horrible war and return to a sense of normalcy. But instead, the movie wasted the vast potential of its premise with boring melodrama and a half-baked romance. I’m convinced the only reason people say they like it is because people will judge them if they say they don’t.

Stardust1138 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

I’m in the Bionicle fandom, so I’ve learned to be reticent to demand all the answers from the creators about things they probably never even considered too deeply. Too many people pestered Greg Farshtey (Bionicle’s head writer) for answers about characters’ appearances during the canon contests.

Creators don’t owe you all the answers to minutia.

Exactly. They don’t owe you anything in general. This is where we are alike in slightly differing ways.

George said it best:

“I make my movies for myself. People will say, “When you release it, it belongs to the public.” No, it’s mine. I’m leasing it to you. $10 at a time. It still belongs to me.”

Sorry if this sounds a bit too interrogative, Stardust, but I’ve been wondering: What are your opinions on the original theatrical versions? Because with both your love of George Lucas, and with your recent talk about creators not owing audiences anything, it sounds like you’d be fine with the Special Editions being the only versions available. It’s fine if you are, I’m not trying to shame you, but it feels a bit weird on a site devoted to releasing the original versions. Maybe I’m completely wrong, though.

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Hal 9000 said:

StarkillerAG said:

theprequelsrule said:

This was a great comedy show. I loved Boba Fett starring as Darth Scrotum.

Hey, don’t make fun of people’s looks, okay? There are a ton of valid complaints about the show, but “Temuera Morrison is ugly” isn’t one of them.

I think he was referring to his heavy makeup during the flashback sequences to depict Sarlacc damage.

Oh yeah, that was kind of scrotum-looking. Still not as scrotum-looking as Palpatine in the second half of ROTS though.

theprequelsrule said:

This was a great comedy show. I loved Boba Fett starring as Darth Scrotum.

Hey, don’t make fun of people’s looks, okay? There are a ton of valid complaints about the show, but “Temuera Morrison is ugly” isn’t one of them.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Add a planet-exploding superlaser to the droid control ship in TPM to rhyme with ANH and TFA.

I actually considered putting that into a serious edit a few months ago. It was mainly because I realized Sidious’ dialogue when he was told about the Gungan diversion would make a lot more sense if he was being told that the Federation had a planet-destroying superlaser. It would play out something like this:

SIDIOUS: “She is more foolish than I thought.”
GUNRAY: “I assure you, the Queen’s assault will be no problem. We have installed an experimental superlaser on board our control ship. In just 30 minutes, the laser will fire, destroying the entire planet.”
SIDIOUS: “This will work to our advantage.”
GUNRAY: “Do I have permission to use the weapon, my Lord?”
SIDIOUS: “Wipe them out… all of them.”

Then there would be several insert shots of the weapon charging throughout the battle, accompanied by “Weapon ready in X minutes” voiceovers. Anakin would destroy the command ship just when the laser was about to fire, because it’s a movie. I abandoned the idea pretty quickly though, because I realized it was stupid.

Okay then, I guess the only subplot we can safely cut is Padme capturing the Viceroy. I remember the Anti-Cheese edit cut that bit, and it worked pretty well. It does raise the question of where Padme and the Jedi were planning to go when they got interrupted by Maul, but I guess that’s not too big of a deal.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Breaking their will through punishment, both mental and physical would IMO be a far more effective measure.

That strikes me as cruel and inhumane. The whole point of execution is that it’s painless. It’s not about punishing them, it’s about ridding us of having to deal with them. We shouldn’t torture criminals for their acts.

Yeah, I don’t condone torture either. In my opinion, prison should be focused on rehabilitation, not punishment. I’m fine with the death penalty, since some criminals are so depraved that no amount of rehabilitation could possibly fix them, but torture, no matter who it’s done to, is absolutely horrible.

Anakin Starkiller said:

It’s still a decent movie, it just takes itself a bit too seriously for my tastes.

That’s funny, I distinctly recall an article that caracterized TLC as an overcorrection from ToD that steers into straight comedy and ends up being the lightest of the bunch.

Yeah, some people say that, but I’ve always thought that Temple of Doom was the most comedic of the trilogy: despite having extremely dark portions with Satanic blood rituals and stuff like that, it never really takes itself too seriously, with blatantly ridiculous bits like the “exotic food” scene and the bug tunnel. I can remember a ton of fun moments from both Raiders and Doom, but I struggle to remember more than a few fun bits in Crusade.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Actually, there’s a worst change: add the in-universe Coke and Sprite bottles from Galaxy’s Edge.

Even worse, add a lengthy product placement sequence in TPM before the podrace begins that’s basically just an in-universe Coke commercial:

“The Boonta Eve Classic is sponsored by Coca-Cola! Experience the intergalactic sensations of refreshing drinks that are as cool as midnight on Hoth! Made from the finest ingredients from across the galaxy, these out-of-this-world refreshments are absolutely wizard! And now, let the race begin!”

EddieDean said:

Burbin said:

I think a big issue with pushing the gungan battle scenes forward is that this plot line can’t be resolved until the control ship is destroyed, so even if you push most of the battle forward it’ll still feel like a hanging thread all the way through to the end anyway. If anything I feel it puts a bigger strain on the audience to keep the captive gungans in mind while they’re watching the other three plots unfold.

The gungan battle also has a clear function in giving a sense of urgency to the other plots, they need to either capture the Viceroy or destroy the control ship before the gungans are wiped out, you lose that if the battle is already over by the time you get to those scenes. Yeah the gungans have been captured, but they’re no longer in any immediate threat, so there’s no real urgency. It’d be like if the Death Star was no longer looming over the Rebel base during the climax in ANH.

Yeah, I feel like if you were to pull the Gungan scenes earlier, you’d risk the film feeling like ‘save the Gungans’ was the backbone, which I think most would find pretty unpalatable. And especially if we don’t have equivalent footage of the humans of Naboo also being oppressed, I think that’d feel weird for Padmé. You’d also have the issue that the Gungans appeared captured throughout the entire movie, without moving, even though it’s over a few days.

I think he was referring to moving the battle scenes to the beginning of the climax, not the beginning of the movie. Which is honestly an issue I hadn’t considered before: if we don’t show the Gungans at all between the scene of the pilots taking off and the control ship being destroyed, is that even more confusing than the 4 overlapping plotlines in the original? It might result in the audience almost forgetting about the Gungan plotline by the time it’s resolved, which wouldn’t work for our goal of increasing the dramatic tension.

I think an alternate way to simplify the climax, without that issue, would be to just delete one of the plotlines: either the Gungan subplot or Padme’s subplot. If the Gungan subplot was cut, then Padme and the others would just sneak into the palace without any diversion; and if Padme’s subplot was cut, then the ultimate goal would be to take out the control ship, without the added goal of capturing the Viceroy. I’d personally advocate for cutting the Gungan subplot: it’s by far the most visually bland part of the battle, and if you cut Jar Jar’s antics there’s not really much left.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Idk why you guys think the final battle is so complicated. While yes there are four different storylines, they all basically amount to “everyone fights the droids while infiltrating the palace and hoping the air force can take out the control ship to make the infiltration trivial easy”. Ultimately the battle hinges on Padme’s party and the pilots, with the Gungans and the Jedi going off on tangents only to give her party a chance. Plus plenty of SW films have done intercut battles. Remember Exegol, Endor, and Starkiller Base? It’s really just a function of wanting the climax to include a ground battle, air battle, and lightsaber battle.

But if the Gungan battle is just a tangent, why is it necessary to have it be a major plot line? That was the main reason for the final battle restructuring: it focuses the climax on the most important elements, rather than wasting time on pointless droid fighting. Intercut battles have been a thing in Star Wars, but never 4 battles at once: Endor had 3 battles, and Starkiller and Exegol only had 2. Simplifying things allows for the audience to have a clear “hook” to be invested in.

Oh and while the execution is seamless, I don’t like the idea of Jar Jar being a planetary representative from the start. It robs him of his entire arc from lowly buffoon to much more important buffoon and redemption in the eyes of his people. If being a buffoon is the issue, this doesn’t fix it, it just makes him a bumbling authority figure like Marcus Brody in The Last Crusade.

I don’t think Jar Jar being a representative is the only change Eddie wants to make: he’s also going to replace several other pieces of dialogue throughout the movie, to change Jar Jar from a bumbling bufoon to a character with actual agency. Things don’t just happen to Jar Jar in this version, he actually helps the protagonists with their mission.

theprequelsrule said:

That could have been the surprise in TLJ; it was the reason Luke has been in exile - he sensed Palps was behind what was going on and was looking to track down his location. Wait…is that the explanation Force Ghost Luke gives towards the end of ROS? I forget.

Nope: he says “It was fear that brought me here,” whatever that means. Your idea is a lot better though.

I actually came up with a similar idea a year or two ago, but I didn’t want Luke to explicitly know that Palpatine was behind it all: Luke would sense that a powerful dark energy was behind Ben’s turn and the rise of the First Order, but he would have no idea what that energy came from. At the end of TLJ, Kylo would be called to the Unknown Regions by that mysterious dark energy, which would turn out to be coming from Palpatine in a cliffhanger ending.

Vladius said:

StarkillerAG said:

RogueLeader said:

I sometimes think it would be better to just remove the episode labels from all of the movies.

That sounds almost treasonous, but when I think about it, it’s actually a brilliant idea. Removing the episode titles would both reduce the inflated importance of the “Skywalker Saga” that caused the sequels to feel so disappointing, and allow for animated and TV content to be incorporated into the movies (like I was suggesting with my “Expanded Saga” idea) without it feeling too jarring.

You know you don’t have to call it The Skywalker Saga, right? That was a cynical marketing term created to advertise/justify episode 9. It seems like everyone here bought it hook, line, and sinker but you literally don’t have to. Just call the movies whatever you want and ignore the sequels.

The term “Skywalker Saga” may have been officially embraced during the marketing of TROS, but it’s been around since the prequels: This thread called the movies the “Skywalker Saga” all the way back in 2005. No matter what it’s called though, there’s always been a sense of inflated importance given to the mainline “saga” movies, and I feel removing the episode titles would help reduce that.

Vladius said:

Yes everyone would do well to keep in mind that the first time that anything was called “episode” was with the release of Empire Strikes Back in 1980, where it was abruptly called Episode V with no explanation. Lucas claims to have planned out 6 movies, 9 movies, 12 movies, or whatever, but the other main purpose of it was to hearken back to the experience of going to see serials like Flash Gordon in the theater and starting in the middle with whichever one you happened to catch - if you missed a previous episode, it was just gone. That was also the purpose of having title crawls, to catch you up on any exposition that you probably missed.

The idea of having something missing was intentional. Strictly speaking, the prequels are just as unnecessary to the structure as anything else. They were themselves a fun thought experiment, there was no reason to expect that they might get made.

The idea of episode numbers in general may have been inspired by serials, but I don’t think Lucas ever intended to not make Episodes 1, 2, and 3: Although his plans for post-ROTJ movies fluctuated constantly, he always said that he would make a trilogy set before the OT later on. He even specifically told the EU writers not to set any of their works before the rise of the Empire (except for the Tales of the Jedi comics), since it would contradict his upcoming trilogy covering those events. It was only with the advent of high-quality CGI in the mid-90s that Lucas decided it was finally feasible to show his concept of the Clone Wars in live-action, with the Special Editions being used as a tech demo for some of the things he was planning to do.