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#1367033
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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JakeRyan17 said:

I didn’t want her building it, I just wanted it to appear, like Luke’s appeared.

But Luke’s saber had an established origin story, since Vader confirmed that Luke constructed it himself. Rey finally building her own lightsaber would be an important step on her character arc, just like it was for Luke.

As for treating it like a joke, I don’t feel that’s as out of left field as is being suggested. It’s being tossed to show that it’s not a holy object, and given where Luke is at spiritually makes the most sense for his character to do. Calling it a laser sword is quoting the original trilogy, and again echos the dismissiveness that fits Luke’s character. As for porgs playing with it, that’s no more silly that Luke about to stab himself in the face in A New Hope or Anakin’s previous lightsaber being chopped in half and Anakin treating the moment like his parent is gonna ground him for getting a bad grade on homework.

A few criticisms of that:

  1. I already said that I agree with Rian’s stance in theory. Lightsabers aren’t holy objects, and they shouldn’t be treated as such. I just feel like TLJ went too far.
  2. The term “laser sword” never appeared in the OT. The only time it was used elsewhere was when Anakin realized Qui-Gon was a Jedi, where it was used to show his inexperience in the Force. The explanation of Luke being dismissive might make sense though. I guess I just don’t like Luke’s “sarcastic old man” attitude in TLJ.
  3. That scene of Luke almost stabbing himself was an alternate take that wasn’t used in the movie, and I didn’t like the “Obi-Wan’s gonna kill me” line anyways.
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#1367012
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Not to derail the thread, but I’d like to share my opinion on the whole lightsaber thing.

I agree with Rian’s sentiments, in theory. Lightsabers aren’t as mythically important as JJ made them out to be, and destroying the Skywalker saber was a great choice that symbolized the whole “letting go of the past” theme. I just don’t like how Rian went the complete opposite direction, treating the saber like a joke. With Luke throwing it over his shoulder, the CGI puffins playing with it, and Luke calling it a “laser sword” later on, it feels like an important element of Star Wars being treated like trash. Lightsabers aren’t sacred, but they aren’t a joke either.

But I do wish that Rey used her own saber in TROS. By far the best part of Trevorrow’s discarded script was Rey building a double bladed lightsaber out of her staff. Combine that idea with the yellow blade shown at the end of TROS, and you would have a wonderful, unconventional weapon for Rey to wield in the final movie.

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#1366982
Topic
Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

omnimuffin said:

JakeRyan17 said:

omnimuffin said:

I mostly meant that we know who all of the actors for the original Knights were and they were all male, and also that none of them had the darksaber.

We also know that the original “actors” weren’t actors so much as stand-ins for later.

Also, no one knew that Moffat’s Gideon had the Darksaber until he pulled it out. It’s quite portable. Also, who knows, maybe she didn’t acquire it until sometime in the years between that flashback and a year after TFA/TLJ takes place.

I just feel portraying it as an impossible plot hole is a bit much.

That’s a valid point.

That said, the scripts do not make her feel like a very good villain, haha.

Probably because we don’t have the script that actually features her to determine.

Even if we had the script, she would probably still seem like a last-minute afterthought. Trevorrow has never been good at writing compelling villains, and the plot outline that was posted doesn’t feature her much at all. She shows up for the final fight, dies, and that’s her entire screen time. She feels like Darth Maul 2.0.

I’m not gonna doubt it, but it seems weird to be so definitive when we don’t have the script, only secondhand reports.

I know we can’t be definitive, but I wouldn’t get my hopes up for a magic script that fixes everything either. Judging by Colin’s earlier work, it doesn’t seem like he’s very good at franchise movies.

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#1366926
Topic
Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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DominicCobb said:

omnimuffin said:

JakeRyan17 said:

omnimuffin said:

I mostly meant that we know who all of the actors for the original Knights were and they were all male, and also that none of them had the darksaber.

We also know that the original “actors” weren’t actors so much as stand-ins for later.

Also, no one knew that Moffat’s Gideon had the Darksaber until he pulled it out. It’s quite portable. Also, who knows, maybe she didn’t acquire it until sometime in the years between that flashback and a year after TFA/TLJ takes place.

I just feel portraying it as an impossible plot hole is a bit much.

That’s a valid point.

That said, the scripts do not make her feel like a very good villain, haha.

Probably because we don’t have the script that actually features her to determine.

Even if we had the script, she would probably still seem like a last-minute afterthought. Trevorrow has never been good at writing compelling villains, and the plot outline that was posted doesn’t feature her much at all. She shows up for the final fight, dies, and that’s her entire screen time. She feels like Darth Maul 2.0.

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#1366924
Topic
What's your take on Emperor Palpatine being brought back for The Rise of Skywalker?
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I feel the opposite way, Burbin. I think that Palpatine was a bad villain for TROS precisely because he came completely out of nowhere. Removing all connections to Snoke and the First Order would only make it seem more random.

It’s like if the Empire were the main villains of ANH and ESB, and then they were sidelined in ROTJ by the Yuuzhan Vong coming out of nowhere. It would be completely nonsensical.

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#1366867
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<em><strong>The &quot;ADigitalMan Special Editions&quot; DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong></em> (Released)
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G&G-Fan said:

I like some of your ideas here. I’m interested in seeing your version of Vader’s no. I’m not sure why you’re removing Palpatine saying he’s weak though. He’s not actually (as shown when he immediately uses force lightning after Mace’s hand is chopped off), it’s his way of manipulating Anakin into helping him. Him appearing helpless is key in Anakin’s decision to stop Mace, as it’s against the Jedi way to kill an unarmed man. Mace’s hypocrisy to the code that has emotionally enslaved Anakin for years is the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

Uh, these edits were released 15 years ago already. I don’t even know if there are any working links anymore.

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#1366721
Topic
Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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JakeRyan17 said:

omnimuffin said:

JakeRyan17 said:

omnimuffin said:

JakeRyan17 said:

omnimuffin said:

I mostly meant that we know who all of the actors for the original Knights were and they were all male, and also that none of them had the darksaber.

We also know that the original “actors” weren’t actors so much as stand-ins for later.

Also, no one knew that Moffat’s Gideon had the Darksaber until he pulled it out. It’s quite portable. Also, who knows, maybe she didn’t acquire it until sometime in the years between that flashback and a year after TFA/TLJ takes place.

I just feel portraying it as an impossible plot hole is a bit much.

That’s a valid point.

That said, the scripts do not make her feel like a very good villain, haha.

That’s fair, that script was far from perfect… but it was a lot better than what Abrams turned in. Like pole-vaulting over a crack in the pavement.

I really, really don’t agree. It’s not better, it’s just different bad.

There are a lot of cool elements, but there are elements so bad that they drag the rest of it deeply below the final product for me.

I don’t know. Any attempt at originality is better than more member-berries.

We’ve had this conversation before, but I strongly disagree. Originality can be good, but only when done well. The same can be said about nostalgia. DOTF was bad originality, TROS is bad nostalgia. They’re bad in different ways, but they’re both equally bad.

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#1366545
Topic
What are the themes of the Star Wars movies?
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Broom Kid said:

I almost put down “The Spark” for TLJ but while that’s my favorite musical bit in that movie I don’t think you could call it the movie’s theme. Same with Asteroid Field and ESB.

I know, I was just listing my favorite musical pieces in each movie, not necessarily the main themes.
If I had to select the main themes for each movie, it would be:

ANH: Princess Leia’s Theme
ESB: The Imperial March
ROTJ: Luke and Leia
TPM: Duel of the Fates
AOTC: Across the Stars
ROTS: Battle of the Heroes
TFA: Rey’s Theme
TLJ: The Rebellion is Reborn
TROS: The Rise of Skywalker

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#1366502
Topic
Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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omnimuffin said:

contriving an excuse for Kylo to get an even more Vader-ey mask

An excuse that was completely stolen from Doctor Doom, by the way. It’s so stupid how Trevorrow planned for Kylo, by far the most empathetic villain in the entire franchise, to become a one-dimensional bad guy who gets redeemed at the last minute.

Kylo staying evil could have been handled well, but Trevorrow’s script completely botched it.

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#1366497
Topic
The &quot;Name that Movie/TV Show I Can't Name&quot; Thread
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Tantive3+1 said:

StarkillerAG said:

Tantive3+1 said:

This is a film I had seen a clip of on youtube.

A man, blonde haired woman, and a child are stranded or lost on a rural country highway. This scene takes place during daylight. That’s all I got. It was definitely a horror film and might have had something to do with satanists/devil worshipers. This film was released either in the late 60s or early 70s.

Oh and it was also an American film in color.

Sounds a lot like Manos: The Hands of Fate. It’s one of those famous “so bad it’s good” movies, which is probably why you saw a clip of it on YouTube.

Is there a blonde haired woman in it?

Yeah, there is.

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#1366480
Topic
The &quot;Name that Movie/TV Show I Can't Name&quot; Thread
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Tantive3+1 said:

This is a film I had seen a clip of on youtube.

A man, blonde haired woman, and a child are stranded or lost on a rural country highway. This scene takes place during daylight. That’s all I got. It was definitely a horror film and might have had something to do with satanists/devil worshipers. This film was released either in the late 60s or early 70s.

Oh and it was also an American film in color.

Sounds a lot like Manos: The Hands of Fate. It’s one of those famous “so bad it’s good” movies, which is probably why you saw a clip of it on YouTube.

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#1366319
Topic
Going away? Post so here!
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I’m feeling the same way also. The constant arguing and negativity in the Star Wars fan base is exhausting, and I just don’t feel much passion for Star Wars as a franchise anymore.

I’ve been considering leaving this website, since it’s pretty much my only connection to the Star Wars fan base right now, but I can’t bring myself to do it. Checking this website has just become a habit for me, and it’s gonna be hard to let go.