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Jar Jar Bricks said:

jonh said:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mZ7QMDDBjVfKj_IdVa73EVGUkNiO10aA/view?usp=sharing
I think the shoot has improved …
What is your opinion?

Fantastic! The only thing that ever bothered me about the original was how it clearly looked taken straight out of ROTS, but this is a huge improvement.

1000%. Big improvement to something already perfect. Let me know when you have the ‘phantom four’ with purple saber how you’re happy with it.

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Oooh, yes. Subtle enough that in the moment Rey herself plausibly may not have even noticed.

^ Sherlock, that’s nice! I’ll use it. 😃

And Dat_SW_boi, that’s pretty darn cool! I think it’s better kept subtle like that, and not blasting Finn, like it’s a Force push that happened to have a lightning rosebud eek out.

Sometimes I feel like a relic about this stuff anymore. My prequel edits didn’t do all that much that was truly original, just ‘Brothers Grimm’ing a textual lineage of edits that came before.

It’s an ongoing conversation and process.

There will come a point when I will say, “I will fan edit no longer,” and call after you, “Save the [film in question], save the dream.”

Removing the echoey screams of Rey and her mother as Rey picks up the dagger in Kylo’s chambers is tricker than you might think, but I got it.
I had to lift the rear channels from when she first picks it up underground (same musical sting) and apply them to the rear and front channels and milk about a second’s worth of clean audio from earlier in the scene of the empty ambience of Kylo’s chamber. I moved the Sith whisper to cover the gap and added a fainter one when she first handles the blade.

It’s exactly what you’d want. It truly strikes a glorious middle ground between the original and SE.

I eagerly look forward to lifting this for my own project. It’s sublime.

We even tried to repurpose the Kijimi explosion but it didn’t work out.

lol, just take anything you like about Ascendant and make your own blend. That’s part of the beauty of SW edits in particular.

I see, and lightning cracklin betwixt her fingers could be effective. I have had to sweep through a few pages of this thread and read it as using a lightning bolt to blast Finn backward.

Gorgeous.

Yeah, I see no reason to add a hand. lol

And I hate to be a wet blanket, but Rey using lightning on Finn doesn’t strike me as feeling right for that moment. It could’ve been scripted that way, but with what we have to work with Finn still flies backward and Rey doesn’t blink about any of it.

Luke is silent throughout TROS. He appears to Rey, silently encouraging her to work through her own problems.

Now deepfake ROTJ jabba onto ANHSE.

And we can age his face for the rest of the movie!

Although, in this version of things, she could still have Ben be something new to see on Tatooine.

My intuition about the whole ghost thing, ignoring anything other than the nine films in a vacuum is this:

Force sensitive people die and become one with the Force the same as anyone else, and this isn’t viewed as a bad thing. Ashes to ashes. Then, Yoda hears from Qui-Gon from beyond the grave. Evidently he happened upon some secret to preserving his consciousness in a way that still lets him meld with the Force. He’s not clinging to life unnaturally, it’s just… I don’t know, it’s serene or something. Anyway, he discovered this and it probably was an ancient thing he rediscovered. (This is an unknown ability up to this point at least as far as modern Jedi are concerned.) Qui-Gon teaches this ability to Yoda and Obi-Wan, and they are able to take it further by physically vanishing upon death and manifesting visually. This surprises Vader when it happens. When Anakin dies, Yoda and Obi-Wan (and perhaps Qui-Gon) help him to merge with the Force in the way they did. Anakin appears to Luke restored and fulfilled. Luke learns this ability as well, passing it to Leia and Ben Solo. Yoda gets really good at this, and hardly appears blur at all. He can hit people with his ghost cane, too.

Then, Rey gets the idea from what I can only imagine is the Jedi equivalent of the Bible that one can learn to hear the voices of dead Jedi. This doesn’t make apparent sense, given that when experiencing exactly this Yoda concluded Qui-again discovered immortality. But I imagine there must be some difference between the sort of vocal presence in TROS and true immortality.

Ugh, what a mess. The Jedi should just have had this ability consistently. But I still feel better maintaining separation between voices and visual appearances, as though up to that point the phantom four are perhaps the only four Jedi ghosts in existence.

Ahem, also, since you’re currently in the business working Tatooine, I’d like to request the opening shot of the speeder with the womp rats removed. That’s something I’ve wanted for a long(-o) time.

OMFG YES

Just have a regular, corporeal version of Ashoka walk in from stage right.

I think a Shaw version would be awesome to see, and I’d be tempted to use it, but I do feel Hayden is better for this because he absolutely would have been there in the theater in 2019.

It’d also be awesome to see Hayden mapped onto Shaw in a seamless way in ROTJ, but then again I think any of that kind of stuff would be fun to see. But I have no interest in seeing Hayden in ROTJ. I really like the statement I always inferred from the original version that when Anakin died, he was ‘restored’ rather than ‘reverting’ back to the version of himself that was about turn evil anyway. Redemption, not undoing it.

As I thought about the possibility we could see Anakin in TROS before it’s release, I hoped they would at least let Hayden appear somewhat older than he did in ROTS. No long hair, but not necessarily elderly either. Just to break from “I am literally exactly how I was right before turning evil.” It probably would’ve looked too silly, but I’d have even liked to have him made up to resemble Shaw, maybe just his hair even.

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Holy shit, jonh! That’s super fun. I do agree with the consensus, though, that the ‘phantom four’ is a better fit for inclusion within the film itself. (Honestly, part of me braced myself while watching the clip for having to defend my reasons for sticking with the ‘four’ version!)

The ‘phantom four’ is what should’ve been in the film, and this is what the fun online clip should’ve been.

I do agree that a version that makes use of the tweaked improvements to the original four ghosts without the added ghosts would be wonderful. (With purple saber.)
Also, while you’re around, jonh, do you still plan to address the handful of tiny glitches in the Jedi haircut sequence? Once that’s done Nev and I can finish up the Ach-To sequence with its nighttime look. (In case you weren’t aware, it’s going to have a sunRISE now.)

The blade still whispers to her before any obvious “I’m going to tap into the dark side” moments, though. If 3PO is not redubbed and continues to tell them where exactly to go, the blade can still take it from there.

I understand, MR. No hurry at all.

I’ll add the ‘end of Leia’s Jedi path’ to the list of things being considered.

I’ll also add removing the dagger evoking her parents.

And sherlock, I don’t plan on using the idea of restructuring Rey’s death, and I won’t track the idea of adding a shot after the Pasaana chase. But, if a good idea or execution surfaces I’ll be glad to use it anyway.

Here’s the current state of affairs:

Things completed:

• Slight tweak so Rey is shown contemplating before asking 3PO to consider going through with a memory wipe

• Depict Kylo’s TIE with a different color stripe after the first one is destroyed on Pasaana (poppasketti)

• Add a subtle sound of Leia vocalizing as she drops her headphones (JarJar Bricks)

• Replace Luke’s line “a thousand generations live in you now,” with “We’ll always be with you” (MoviesRemastered, NeverarGreat, and ThisIsCreation)

• Remove line, “They sold you to protect you.”

• Add two shots of Coruscant to the conference room scene (poppasketti)

• Recolor the quick light sequence on Rey’s lightsaber during the final scene to nod to Luke and Leia’s sabers by having a blue and purple light sequence (Burbin)

• Fold in a few more audio submissions to the civilian fleet (contributions from ThisIsCreation and Richard G)

• Alter Kylo’s line to, “We’ve become a dyad in the Force” (sherlockpotter)

• Adjust placement of the Leia medal insert shot, as well as lighting (sherlockpotter)

• Remove Finn’s line, “He wanted her alive.” Remove Palpatine’s two lines, “I never wanted you dead, I wanted you here,” and, “…for my grandchild to come home.” This makes Palpatine’s machinations a little more intuitive.

• Replace the Imperial shuttle (used in V1 to replace the regular TIE fighter Kylo took to Exegol at the climax) with Vader’s TIE due to popular demand. (I still prefer the shuttle.)

• Remove line, “from the Southern shore” from 3PO’s translation in order for the mystical whisper effect of the blade to be more needed without the compass plot element.

• Slightly restructure the Exegol space battle’s beginning (DominicCobb)

• Remove the single time either of Rey’s parents address her by name (so we can still imagine that she named herself)

Things being considered:

• Redubbing 3PO’s Sith translation to remove the idea the dagger has the specific location inscribed upon it to support the ‘mystical guidance’ angle. Not strictly necessary. (Would also entail: move Finn’s line about Endor in the same scene, add flash of DSII as Rey handles the knife in Kylo’s quarters, remove line about “horrible things” happening with the blade, remove 3PO saying he knows “exactly where the Wayfinder is,” remove Jannah’s mention of Babu Frik sending her a transmission since he shouldn’t know where they are going in this sequence)

• Depict Kijimi as more rebellious by comping in graffiti and/or adding audible ‘resisting’ of the First Order by the populace

• Add Sith eyes to ‘evil Rey’ when she appears in the DSII, or at the very least remove the milky eyes that appear in Rey’s vision (either normal or Sith eyes)

Things waiting on others:

• Pasaana puppet show to depict Luke’s feats at the Battle of Crait (at least RogueLeader working on puppets, poppasketti and MoviesRemastered provided relatively clean backdrops, and ThisIsCreation has done a vocal dub)

• Redo the “that’s not even a language” trooper moment (Axlanian has the reigns)

• Further extend the Mustafar sequence to slow the pacing (currently features work from poppasketti, MoviesRemastered, NeverarGreat, and 21C Peasant; hoping to augment and include footage from the recent ‘Biomes’ short - unassigned)

• Depict the Skywalker lightsaber fizzling out at a critical moment in the DSII duel (waiting on MoviesRemastered; may be finished)

• Depict both sabers as fizzling out or sparking after the climax on Exegol (waiting on MoviesRemastered; may be finished)

• Correct glitches on jonh’s first pass on giving Luke a haircut, then hand this to NeverarGreat in order to reapply his work to depict Ach-To experiencing sunrise)

• Depict the Skywalker saber as ‘cracked,’ with an unstable blade reminiscent of Kylo’s (kewlfish completed some of the shots needed, as have Luka Frik and MoviesRemastered)