Mmm, yeah, while not required, snipping the portion of the line in the hangar about “taking the throne” together could be good.
I couldn’t find it so I did it myself real quick (maybe I did this on my own originally…)
“And” being cut might be noticeable to some who are aware of the change, but I honestly believe your hypothetical first time viewer, or people who just haven’t seen the movie since release, wouldn’t even notice this change. I moved “Me” up a few frames earlier, and I think the slight shift helps sell it as well.
I like how Finn assumes it’s Ren with such conviction, only to be left not knowing what to say after Rey says it was her. I think this is the simplest way to handle it.
Cross-posting from the general thread, Hal would you consider this for a change in V2?
Hmmm… interesting, indeed. I guess the intention of the scene originally is to let Rey fear joining Kylo on the throne, which ties into his offer later and explains her violent response in trying to kill him on the DSII. Making this scene all about her rather than her and Ren would help the climax a little. Unless their teaming up is viewable as a fulfillment of this fear in an inverted way.
Idk, I guess it’s all right with me, but has anyone dissented?
Yeah, I’d say let’s use stars and suns in space within SW as reference. I think we see the suns as the Queen’s ship approaches it in TPM.
It was supposed to jump into hyperspace at the final frames, but the animation looked extremely weird and I couldn’t get that hyperjump trail that poppasketti did.
Put together a little concept for you’re Falcon ending idea.
I think it’d look really good if it flew over briefly instead of instantly jumping to light speed would be such a great ending calling directly back to the first ever Star Wars scene
I could see that working!! Beautiful.
Thanks! And I totally understand.
Speaking of extending the ending of TROS, heres a test shot of the Falcon moving across space trying to match the look and lighting of TROS. Unfortunately, Streamable has decided to clip the dark and light values again making it look more contrasty than it should.
Y’know, my brain has a hard time discerning whether it looks like a Blender fan thing or a sophisticated computer panned FX shot from 1977, but it doesn’t strike me as 2019 TROS.
I know that’s terribly helpful, lol.
I suppose we could see the two suns in space? Eh, it’d probably be hard to get it to look how it’d really look if the studio did it.
Eh, it works just fine but I think it’s good to let there be a moment like that with only diegetic changing and no score.
And while I’m open to extending the final shot(s), I’m still skeptical because I do like ending on the suns like that. It’s an attempt at least to make it feel like a real ending to the story.
And I must firmly veto ending on the literal opening shot of ANH.
What’s your version of that moment, in your rewrite?
Replace the second Death Star’s throne room chasm with a wood chipper. Insert a shot of Vader using the Force to flip a switch to “on” as he makes his way toward it carrying Palpatine.
You mean “all the Sith/Jedi”?
I think by that point in the theater my throat hurt from laughing. I remember really finding it so silly when Palpatine reacted to a second lightsaber being held up, as though to go from 100% confidence to, “Oh, shit, TWO lightsabers kill me.” I’m pretty sure, because we’d been riffing through the whole thing, I leaned over to my brother and said in an Emperor voice, “Oh, no, not TWO lightsabers.”
The “all the Sith” line itself didn’t feel out of place given that the movie alluded to spirit transfer and consciousness merging. I was wondering if that meant Palpatine was Darth Bane in a sense.
The “all the Jedi” line just felt like the obvious response. It was predictable, and didn’t really pack a punch. I was wondering how the Jedi were speaking given ROTS establishing that Yoda felt Qui-Gon had discovered this for the first time.
I also felt the victory moment fell totally flat, saying, “There’s no WAY you can tell me that he’s dead for good this time. NOTHING is different, and certainly not more decisive, than how he died in ROTJ.” It’d be like an episode of Doctor Who making a series-ending-before-hiatus climax about the Master dying; forgetabbowddit!
Jonh’s version of the scene is sublime. It annexes new meaning by having those four specific ghosts show up while the others remain voices, to almost let the ROTS thing make sense. And that closeup of hands being lifted beautifully removes the silliness of having a second saber appear to turn the tide. AND, it now makes sense that Palpatine would be plausibly dead for good, due to the dead themselves tackling him to make sure he makes it to the wood chipper this time.
I think most of this talk of modifying lines like that would be better suited for the general TROS ideas thread.
I really like flying into the suns, so I’ll be skeptical but very much open.
I’d have groaned audibly in the theater if it literally ended on a screengrab of ANH.
Yeah, right, anytime I see it in ROTS or TROS it just goes to sunset in my head.
What do you intend to do with the final shot? No sun(s)set?
Next they will have Vader discover his father was a drunk who sold him for drinking money and his mom lied the whole time.
I’ve checked out of the EU surrounding TROS. I don’t care to take it into account.
I wonder if there’s a tie-in possibility somehow with that weird voice he used for one scene in ROTS.
Consider me skeptical of this one, but “I’d like to see you try.”
For yucks, I wonder what an AI trained on CGI Tarkin in Rogue One would do with him in ANH.
Seems like the bodily return of Palpatine and Sith spirit transfer is redundant. Palpatine was brought back for marketing, rather than story, reasons.
Blasphemy time! I can’t seem to get into the classic series so I’d be okay with readapting their best stories to Big Finish.
Anyway, to get back on topic, make Luke’s hair blue or something.
Suffice it to say for the quick moment that my style and this project’s aim is to steer toward these simple, elegant changes rather than more drastic ones.
Sherlock, I 100% want to see your fan edit of TROS(:A) as well, and that ain’t no jive. But I would rather deliver something with Ascendant V2 that can serve as a foundation for such things.
Obi-Wan lops off Ponda Baba’s head in the cantina, or slices him in half vertically.
Deepfake AotC Palpatine onto RotS Palpatine to fix his inconsistent age.
Gööd!
I agree, although stepping into the throne has been built to as a dreaded reality.
“Oh no, how could I ever do that?”
“Oh shit, dat’s how.”
Yeah, I think in the story of Ascendant, Kylo has a clearer idea of the spirit transfer angle than Rey. In the theatrical, yeah, Rey should say, “But you’ll just overwrite me.” Here she may plausibly believe that stepping onto the dreaded Sith throne may be the only way to take control.
It’s not great, but I think we’re already a good step in a better direction from the theatrical, thanks to RogueLeader.
