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#1525015
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Hmm, I don’t know about that. Makes it sound like he’s saying when a Jedi dies they can essentially perform an intel raid and report back.

When I first saw TROS, when Rey said she destroyed Ren’s ship and didn’t have the Wayfinder so she cannot get to Exegol, I anticipated Luke responding with, “Well, you see, when I died and became a ghost I gained omniscience so I can simply tell you how to get there.”

I know Ben Kenobi imparted new, plot-related information to Luke in ROTJ (or just narrowly avoided it, since technically Luke produced the key bit), but I don’t think this is proper for a spirit like this in a story like this.

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#1525002
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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That’s great, man!

I know when discussing it before, we had floated “birth” of her son instead of death. Might be good to generate that line, as I’m sure someone or other may want it even if I don’t.

It’d also be good to get a few readings of “Lesson three.” Not sure I’ll use it but, again, there’ll be interest.

I’m not sure if something could be done to replace a bit of screen time around the “Leia knew it too.”

Luke: “Because you’re a Palpatine. __________.”

Rey: “She didn’t tell me.”

Luke: “…”

Rey: “She still trained me.”

Luke: “________. Your heart. _________. Some things are stronger than blood. Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi…”

I bet this will help the Rey Nobody version even more.

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#1524182
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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EddieDean said:

Since there’s a little chat of an updated version lately, and I’ve just rewatched the trilogy a couple of times, some thoughts/wishes for consideration:

  • Back in the day there was some talk of different colour schemes for new planets on familiar biomes. For my money I’d be interested in a more red/purple Pasaana desert, and maybe a more autumnal or pastel Ajan Kloss.

I’d be open to it but couldn’t make it happen myself. I don’t feel a need for this to happen c though.

  • We also talked about Rey’s crackly saber actually shorting out at some point - did anything get finished there?

I think MR was working on it but it never materialized. It’d be cool to have if possible, but okay if not.

  • Audio effects suggesting that force healing (“the power to prevent those we love from death”) is more of a darkside power could help explain why it’s not more commonly known or used.

I don’t think that’d be a good idea, as it reads as a kindly or self-sacrificing thing to do which characters always appear “good” when doing.

  • I’d love to have Kylo tell Han’s ghost/vision/memory “I love you” before Han replies “I know”, preceding Kylo throwing away his saber. Poetry yes, but also a beautiful inversion of how it was first used.

I prefer it the way it is. Sublime.

  • As others have mentioned, it’d be nice to have C-3PO’s memory stay wiped.

If it feels seamless and smooth, I agree.

  • A longshot that’s likely dependent on AI, but possibly the only opportunity to answer “a good question for another time” might be to have Lando talk to Maz during the finale celebrations, perhaps: “You did a great job taking care of that lightsaber I entrusted to you, Maz”.

That wouldn’t do anything to answer the question of how it was recovered and I’m not sure how you’d mix that in anyway.

  • To make the Dyad feel more deliberately planned, I’d be interested to see the image from TLJ of the black/white yinyang being from the stone pool in Luke’s temple flash up at a sensible point - “we’ve become a Dyad” perhaps?

The only occasions in the movie that it would feel natural would be removed from that context.

  • The Jedi texts also provide an opportunity to imply in-universe existence of both Dyads (an image like the yinyang being?) and soul transferrence (though I appreciate that’s more of a Sith power), via a method similar to Neverargreat’s drawing of Rey’s island from TFA:Starlight

Do we get a look at multiple pages of the book, or just the one with a drawing of a wayfinder? If there’s another page visible and someone wanted to add a yin-yang, I could use it. But I don’t have any strong feelings on this one.

  • Might there be a way to improve on “I made Snoke”? Perhaps “I trained Snoke. A puppet designed to make you who I needed you to be.”?

Hard to imagine an AI delivering his dialogue in a theatrical way. Also, I like the ambiguity of “I made Snoke,” so it works well with this edit’s implication and any subsequent SW material.

  • I’d remove the Rey/Kylo kiss, and Lando’s weird scene with Jannah, but I’m sure you’ve got a good reason for keeping those.

It’s the only scrap of sex we get in the whole trilogy, and culminates their double orbit. Wouldn’t want to remove Lando and Jannah, though it’d make more sense if we had the deleted scene of Lando describing losing a daughter.

  • It’d also be nice to, via VFX, see a bit more of the First Order merged with the Final Order - via the odd shot of First Order white stormtroopers, officers, and starships in appropriate shots.

Yeah, it hurts my brain to try to untangle the plot mechanics involved in the First and Final Orders, at least as we’ve augmented their relationship somewhat. Ideally Palpatine and his cultists should be depicted to be as small as possible, with their Imperial stockpile being their ace in the hole. And Palpatine makes his play to bring the First Order under his control, having set it up by proxy. In TROS it seems like Palpatine reveals himself, saying “lol wow look how much I have, makes the First Order seem puny” and not “now I claim the First Order I set up in order to man this fleet.”

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#1524038
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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FWIW, I don’t regard that cameo as being the youngling character himself, but an unspecified Jedi from sometime within the last 1000 generations we hadn’t already met in the movies.

And in an edit that still has Hayden Christensen as Anakin’s ghost, I don’t think it makes sense to replace Ewan McGregor’s actual voice with an AI of Alec Guiness. Whether there’s a worthwhile line to toss in is another question, but it might be more of a cool idea that could be done rather than satisfying a need.

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#1523702
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Might be weird to to go right to the next line, “It cannot be. The Emperor is dead.”

What about…

“We’ve decoded the intel from the First Order spy, and it confirms the worst: Emperor Palpatine has returned.”

It may not shoehorn in any new exposition, but it gets Leia active. However, it may only further betray the fact Carrie was already gone to not show her delivering any portion of the line.