I seem to be in the minority of viewers by thinking the movie establishes that Leia knew about Rey’s parentage but Luke did not. Did anyone else form that inference?
Luke seems completely unfamiliar with her in TLJ, so I figured this was how they weave this plot point into the existing material.
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Fair enough. I don’t like it either, so it didn’t take much to talk me out of it.
That line will be re-removed, and Rey’s line “they were nobody” is back in.
I’m hoping there’ll be a place within TROS for the radio broadcast, and it really would come out of left field within TLJ itself. Once the credits roll, the story is over.
I’d like to have that radio broadcast intercut with the fleet being raised from the ice, so that the timing of Palps revealing himself is a little less arbitrary; he was waiting for Kylo.
I believe TROS sets up Leia as having know Rey’s parentage, but not Luke. So I don’t think adding anything like that would be a great fit.
I want to try to make sure this is the case and that her mention of Jakku doesn’t factor in, but I think the implication is that Luke didn’t know anyway.
The puzzle piece visual being replaced with something else would’ve helped, implying a lack of data to be able to display much of anything.
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I’m encoding V3 right now. I still need to adjust subtitles and chapters to match, but here’s the cutlist:
What’s new compared to V2:
Here’s how I’m planning to handle the “they were nobody” moment in TLJ. It’s only Kylo that explicitly states anything about it, and he doesn’t say that they are buried on Jakku.
It works…but it also breaks my heart to see this (imo) powerful scene diminished to accommodate a poorly conceived retcon. I think that Rey looking inward and admitting to herself that her parents were nobodies is part of what makes the scene work. Just my opinion of course, but if you choose to go down this path I will probably stick to earlier versions of Legendary or make my own edit.
I know, I really do. Ugh.
I guess it could stay and just omit the line about their graves.
My biggest overall disappointment with the sequel trilogy is probably that it chose, perhaps not all at once, to pattern itself after the originals to the point that it retells the Empire vs Rebels story almost to a tee. It ends in essentially the same place as does ROTJ, feeling like it recapitulate the story rather than truly continuing it.
The most satisfying part for me has been Luke’s journey from traumatized recluse to revivified Jedi Master ready to nonviolently kick ass. It was a gift horse I looked in the mouth, but has been worth being patient for myself to appreciate. This is the diamond in the rough, woven into the soil of the retread that TFA set in motion.
Only what’s in TFA itself, though it could have been made clearer:
Kylo Ren mentions that the First Order only partially recovered the map to the first Jedi Temple from the old Imperial archives.
BB8 suggests perhaps R2 has the rest of the map, which 3PO immediately poo-poos. But, inspired by the idea, he starts searching his memory. He does eventually find it, acquired when he plugged into the Death Star in ANH.
Nothing to do with Rey, and not sone bread crumb Luke left in order to be found.
I was able to watch about the first half today, and I thought it was very smooth, successful at what it sets out to do.
I think the more exciting changes are in the last chunk, so I’ll look forward to finishing this later on, before taking a look through TLJ after having seen TROS.
Was Maz Kanata a puppet this time around? The only reason I can imagine for that being the case is if the movie were being reconfigured so late in the process that it was easier to do it this way.
Go for it! There’s certainly something to be said for the idea. But, I like the connective tissue that showing Mustafar provides the saga.
If anything, I’d be interested in seeing an ending in which the Taitive receives the transmissions on the periphery of the battle and jumps, piquing Vader’s interest as he orders a boarding party and jumps after them.
Is anyone aware of any audio of Palpatine uttering the phrase “kill him” other than in reference to Dooku in ROTS?
The novelization of TFA describes an inner voice of rage saying these words to Rey as she stands victorious over Kylo Ren. Whether it meant this originally or not, one naturally infers Palpatine at this point.
I’d like to at least play with adding that line, but the delivery in ROTS sounds almost casual.
I don’t have a perfect memory, but I don’t recall the Emperor saying that line in TROS.
Current feelings. Ranked by favorite-ness, not critical assessment:
Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
The Empire Strikes Back
The Last Jedi
The Force Awakens
Rogue One
The Phantom Menace
Revenge of the Sith
Solo
The Rise of Skywalker
Attack of the Clones
The Clone Wars (for completion’s sake since I included the newer spinoff movies)
This list reflects how the films rank for me in terms of my feelings toward them, not my assessment of them as films, or necessarily even how much I would enjoy watching them.
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Thanks; fixed.
Here’s how I’m planning to handle the “they were nobody” moment in TLJ. It’s only Kylo that explicitly states anything about it, and he doesn’t say that they are buried on Jakku.
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Also, we now have Palpatine saying “Luke Skywalker,” which just might work in fan edits of ESB that modify the McDiarmid Emperor scene to stick to the original version’s dialogue. Up to now the closest we could come is “young Skywalker.”
Hard to tell whether it’d be a good fit in context until we can actually try it out.
I guess the line about “miniaturized Death Star tech” could probably be put back into TLJ.
Rey shouldn’t utter “they were nobody,” allowing Kylo to state the supposed facts. For Rey to say it after searching her feelings confirms it as gospel to the audience. Kylo can just say, “Say it: they were filthy junk traders, who sold off for drinking money. You have no place in this story…”
The Emperor’s laugh can be added as Luke gazes into Kylo’s mind, linking him with his turn to the dark side.
This would probably be too hokey, but you could try adding a distant laugh or something after Snoke is killed. Even if it was done well, it’d pull away from the drama going on.
Some Palpatine-related audio could be added to Rey’s Force vision in TFA. Does he address Rey by name in TROS? If so, add that.