Hal 9000

Bits and pieces, sure. TFA:R was driven by a single core idea, so there wasn’t a great deal of outside input. (I’m sure I’m just forgetting things about it at this point, to be fair.) TLJ was more trial and error, with poppasketti and I cross-pollinating quite a bit.

In both cases, I feel that the projects benefitted immensely from having input provided by members throughout. For the prequels, I was mostly working with an established textual history, sort of like the brothers Grimm or something.

As always, I just want these to exist and am super thankful for any and all help in making them. That being said, I’m about ready to see it all finished up, with ROTJ and TROS being the final pieces to lay into place.

Well, if it isn’t part of TROS it can be added pretty easily I’m sure. It’d be worth it to include it at the end as you described. I like the idea, assuming it works well once tried out!

That’s certainly interesting, but it probably would have read as very strange in the theater. But it would’ve gotten people talking, teasing essentially what the TROS teaser did, allowing Platonic people seeing these movies to get what we had the benefit of getting IRL.

I know one thing I’m going to be doing is playing around to see what scene transitions can seamlessly be extended by reversed footage or whatnot.

Not exactly; I think ideally it would be the recognizable Imperial March we get, underplayed and soft, with enough of the Emperor’s theme to notice and raise an eyebrow about.

I can’t remember, was that sound consistent whenever one of their bonds would start?

Even if not, that’s not a bad idea for that ending scene if nothing else.

But the mention of it characterizes it as nearly impossible.

I see no reason why Ben Solo shouldn’t appear as a ghost at the end. It can’t be that he didn’t earn enough karma or anything silly like that.

Awesome, Ridley!

From the TFA:R thread -

Hal 9000 said:

Is anyone aware of a suitable bit of music which combines the Emperor’s theme and the Imperial March? I wonder if replacing the musical cue which accompanies Vader’s helmet would be helpful to connect to TROS.

I don’t feel it should replace the Imperial March, but evoking both themes would be appropriate. Does anyone know of such a piece, or could perhaps blend them like that?

Anyone know any specific 3PO dialogue from the Clone Wars or something like that to replace “Whoever this Chewie person is, this is madness”?

Ideally something short and to the effect of “Perhaps I could help negotiate.”

Death for Ben feels right for a redemption arc. Just as it was right for Vader’s. The best reason I’d have for hoping he’d live is to differentiate it and feel like an ending that redeems even his grandfather’s failures by symbolically living a fulfilling life with his Padme.

Well, I wouldn’t say you cease to exist, you just become one with the Force. The Jedi view this as a good and natural thing, and don’t cling to their individual selves. Qui-Gon’s trick seems somewhat perverse maybe, since it appears to be a resistance to the natural flow of things.

I seem to recall some piece of Star Wars writing, maybe one of the prequel novelizations, that suggested the Force itself was speaking to someone using the persona or voice of a particular Jedi. And if Jedi become one with the Force after death, potato potato maybe.

Wow, that would’ve been great!

What a great idea. I should be able to do that without a reference clip. I can’t get TFA out until I finish up with TLJ due to hard drive space.

DominicCobb said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

@Hal 9000 Can you remove the voice-overs of Mace Windu and Aayla Secura speaking when Rey fights Darth Sidious? It contradicts previously established lore in the pre-sequel trilogy canon, in which only Obi-Wan, Yoda, Qui-Gon, and Anakin knew how to become Force ghosts.

Here’s a question, how did Anakin know how to become a Force ghost anyway?

Well, this is obviously only a question once the prequels are factored in, as in 1983 one assumed that’s just what Jedi all do. I think the best answer would be that Obi-Wan and Yoda helped him.

^ I don’t get your point about Ahsoka. If Rey is trying to commune with her Jedi ancestors, and it’s a valid thing to do spoken up by the texts (presumably), then it must supersede or otherwise bypass the small handful of people that learned Qui-Gon’s little trick within the past few decades.

And RogueLeader, might you post what you’ve got so far with that Han thing?

Yeah, I don’t know though. If a thousand generations live in her and she’s trying to commune with past Jedi, I guess it’d have to be more than like four guys.

I’m not sure what the canon explanation will end up being, though.

I suppose one of Anakin’s lines could be trimmed thus: “Restore the balance, Rey (, as I once did).”

Given how the sequel trilogy planned out, the only natural interpretation would seem to be that Rey ended up as the chosen one. Given TLJ especially, the prophecy thing is a bit misguided, though its nonfundamentalistic essence can be valid in the sense that anyone could be. One could argue that Anakin failed, though did come to redemption. Luke did likewise in a way. Then, the Force awakened in Rey who went on to embody all the Jedi and decisively destroy the Sith. How could it be otherwise, in hindsight? That’s how religious prophecies tend to go IMHO: they are people groups grappling with their realities, and the details are best taken somewhat loosely.

So, Anakin beckoning her to restore the balance can lend some credence to that. Sort of like how Qui-Gon in LOE encouraging Yoda to “complete what [he] could not” implies that the chosen one remains as potential for the future (Luke, supposedly at that point).

And thanks for offers so far to help. We’ll see what would be helpful to have and I’ll air any such requests here.

I intend for this project to be fairly grounded and realistic in the interest of actually completing it and making it into something that can exist and be viewed.

That’s one thing I forgot to list: I’d like to work in the shot from the trailer of Leia holding the medal. You see her holding it as she lays down, but it’s not focused on. It ties into Ben’s memory of Han and with Chewie receiving it later on.

We’ll have to see how it flows to cut out the short scene in which we learn Chewie is alive, because it breaks up the rest of the characters in hyperspace. I’m for it, if it’ll work.

Trimming the company getting caught might be good, I can’t tell from just my head.

I’m still not a fan of Hon firing his blaster without looking, because in this universe that should be something only a force user would do. however, given the callback in this movie, I’ll think about it.

Even within TLJ, Rey and Kylo Ren are shown to have a force connection after the death of Snoke. So I don’t think anything about episode nine undoes that at all.

The line about her parents being buried in the desert will remain cut out, but Kylo says what he does about Rey being sold for drinking money because he saw what was in Rey’s mind. If she didn’t know, how could he?

I don’t think the scene at the end of TFA would benefit from porg sounds, but who knows, I may as well play with the idea.

I’m far from resolved against removing Rey Palpatine.

I agree. Just remove those shots or replace the contents with cloned Palpatines or something else.

Well, it was part of the Leia mad-libs they kind of had to play. Rey calling back to the line during the desert chase is good enough for me.

The biggest thing that would help the movie is breathing room sprinkled throughout, but that’s not likely something we can much help.

If we are given an alternate ending deleted scene then maybe, but I don’t imagine it being totally satisfying to contrive one based on just what’s in the movie.

We’d still see the people of the galaxy taking down First Order destroyers during that little montage. Unless that is changed also.