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Burbin said:

"Our mother watched helplessly as the democracy she fought so hard to maintain crumbled before her eyes, so Leia decided to follow in her footsteps and watched helplessly as the democracy she fought so hard to maintain crumbled before her eyes. She surrendered her saber to me and left me to deal with Ben Solo’s darkness alone.

Lesson three. Now that she’s gone, Leia is romanticized, deified. But if you strip away the myth and look at her deeds, the legacy of Leia is failure. Hypocrisy, hubris. A thousand generations live in you now, but this is your fight, and honestly you’re better off on your own."

Sublime.

DominicCobb said:

“Leia was quick to learn during our training”

That’s not bad at all.

NeverarGreat said:

“It was the last night of her training. She had the makings of a great Jedi…but Leia believed that she must serve the galaxy without a sword, like her mother once did. She surrendered her saber to me and said that one day it would be picked up again…by someone who would finish her journey.”

I like this the best out of what we have so far, I think. It’s vague enough but hints at the political stuff. I would like to allude to her political involvement as a reason, but avoiding saying it was the last night of her training helps it feel less weird for this to make her quit.

Another stab at it: “I had begun to train her, and she had the makings of a great Jedi. Leia told me she felt it was necessary to serve the galaxy without a sword, as a diplomat. She surrendered her saber to me…”

Or maybe: “I had begun to train Leia as a Jedi. But there are other ways to pursue peace and justice. Leia believed she must serve the galaxy without a sword. She surrendered her saber to me…”

What an embarrassment of riches with this AI voice.

“It was the last night of her training. Leia just freaked out for no reason and bailed on it, even though I was a good teacher. She just gave up. But she said that her saber would be picked up again someday by someone who was up to it.”

I squeezed ChatGPT for details about Leia’s psyche if we assume that Bloodlines is gospel and TROS is suspect, and this is what it turned out. Wonder if this can help sharpen the phrasing during the flashback:

In the novel “Bloodline” by Claudia Gray, it is revealed that Leia’s motivations not to become a Jedi are rooted in her desire to maintain her political career and avoid repeating the mistakes of her family’s history. More specifically:

Political Career: Leia is dedicated to her role as a politician in the New Republic. She believes that her influence and leadership in the political sphere can make a significant difference in maintaining peace and stability in the galaxy. Becoming a Jedi would require her to leave her political career behind, something she is not willing to do.
Avoiding the Past: Leia is aware of the challenges and conflicts that her family’s connection to the Force, particularly her father Darth Vader, has caused in the past. She is determined to distance herself from that legacy and not let her Force sensitivity define her or hinder her political efforts.
Distrust of the Jedi Order: After the fall of the Galactic Empire, the Jedi Order had not been fully restored, and Leia may have been wary of embracing an incomplete or potentially problematic Jedi training system. She may have felt that her abilities could be better used in the political arena.
Commitment to Democracy: Leia’s commitment to democracy and diplomacy is a core aspect of her character in “Bloodline.” She believes in the power of negotiation and the democratic process to solve problems, and she may have seen these methods as more effective than Jedi intervention.
Overall, Leia’s decision not to become a Jedi in “Bloodline” is driven by her dedication to politics, her desire to avoid the negative aspects of her family’s history, and her belief in the value of democracy and diplomacy in achieving peace and justice in the galaxy.

I’m dumbstruck by these clips and ideas. DZ and JJB are on a roll here. I don’t even dare interject. Don’t disturb genius at work.

That’d be a bit much if you ask me, sorry. Obviously, I do not stand opposed to somebody making it anyway, if they wanted to, despite me, not using it.

Wow, what a ton of stuff has happened in this thread during the daytime! First off, do not worry about breaking ground on V4. This is worthwhile stuff that merits it!

Let me interject my thoughts on the big pieces of the day.

Luke. I don’t imagine adding Luke’s voice in other sequences than Ach-To feeling right, and that clip of him speaking to Ben about healing Rey sounded to me like Luke was sternly saying, “Ben, kill yourself.” But, it’s exciting to have a quality Luke AI voice to use. I wanna target its use to just things that were already existing problems or goals. For the conversation with Rey next to the burning TIE fighter on Ach-To, I’d be happy with simply having the phrase “final lesson.” To me, interjecting something about Leia for Rey to react to with “wow, she still trained me though” feels weird. Makes it seem very elementary of a problem, like Rey is shocked that Leia was aware that she was having a hard time with self-confidence. The ‘Rey Nobody’ version may simply need this to be the case, but for the main ‘Rey Palpatine’ version I think it’d probably be better to omit that bit. For the Leia training flashback, Leia’s face displays some emotion so I don’t think it would fit to just say she decided to go with her political career; there should be something there but I’m not sure what.

That is strikingly better than what’s in V3.

Shave off a syllable when Han and Luke are found on Hoth so he says, “Ice of you guys to drop by!”

PM sent

Yes.

The Snoke vat is too silly to keep.

Why is he continuing to make Snokes? Why make more than one to begin with? Did Exegol have makeup artists or surgeons that carve up his scars?

The silver lining here for me is that none of these things affect A/V sync.

lol, lightspeed whip sounds like Mr. Smithers doing his candy ‘Whip It’ parody.

I’ve avoided anything other than whole numbers to describe updates so far, so I will just refer to it as V4, even if it’s small. This project out of all of them is most deserving of getting it right.

EDIT: Meaning getting the AI voices right, not the Version number.

Just put out a V6 update to ESB, intended as final for the foreseeable future. It’s nothing dramatic, just tweaking the new Boba Fett dialogue slightly, reverting to the SE version of the Cloud City balcony shot, and using Adywan’s addition of the bunk on the Falcon seen in TFA.

That’s ESB and ROTJ nailed down to where I am very happy with them. Now, whenever TMWNN finishes his 2011/2020 hybrid ANH source material, I can quickly and easily update ANH as well.

EDIT: My Google Drive host is still not functional, but I will upload this there when I a become able to.

And just like that, production begins for V4. 😉

I don’t know, win, but I look forward to playing with the lines that rogueleader has already sent along with any others.

Not entirely, no. But even if it literally were, if audio changes are controversial an alternate track solves the problem nicely.

I wouldn’t say it’s too late. Just depends on if it ends up being substantially improved. The biggest opportunity is Poe’s briefing lines.

Wish I’d have thought of doing an alternate audio track without all but the necessary AI lines. I mean, of course I still could, but I’ll sit on that for the moment.

Mocata said:

Omni said:

Mocata said:

No it wasn’t a thing in the previous animated shows, I think it was just for Jedi Fallen Order since in a game you have to sense places/objects to gain xp and exposition.

Technically retconned so Rey has it as well meaning it debuted with her, to explain her vision as she touched the lightsaber in The Force Awakens.

To me that feels like a random vision rather than a new power, and it’s never used again or talked about. Then again a bunch of stuff in TFA was never brought up later so who knows.

Well, Rey senses the dark history of Ochi’s dagger when she discovers it in TROS as well.

I listed everyone who posted in this thread, up to when I made the list at least. PM’ing now.

Fair points, and I tried to minimize throwing in AI stuff that didn’t address existing problems. Leia’s lack of on-point dialogue being one of them, sorta.

What do you think of Poe’s AI lines in the briefing? I hope that to an unsuspecting viewer it would read as ADR that maybe wasn’t a dead match. Like an older movie. Like Star Wars even. Ultimately it serves a more important plot issue we created. And after a while it’s hard for me to guess how it’ll sound to someone who wasn’t agonizing over it in a NLE.

Glad to hear about your good time! Not sure why the saber would look blue, unless people auto-adjusted based on expecting it to be blue.