Hal 9000

About using the new healing illustration and AI line about Rey gleaning it from the texts. It’s nice to involve the texts from TLJ in the story and show she’s been studying.

And as an added bonus which isn’t necessary but doesn’t hurt anything, if a saga-only viewer wants to have a headcanon about this ability having been lost, they can. But it would not introduce anything to suggest that this was the case, either. After all, Ben seems to know how to do it no-problem. Unless the head-canon-er wants to interpret it as him having learned about it via receiving it.

So it may introduce some slight confusion in that way.

I’d say the shot of the Jedi texts is allowed to tell us one single thing, not multiple. The crackly saber needs no overt explanation other than perhaps a reminder that it was broken in the prior movie.

I’m with Dominic on this. Neither force healing or the wayfinder really need to be shown in the texts at that point, anyway. With the healing illustration we get something new, and she doesn’t need to see Kylo using the wayfinder. Maybe a quarter-second flash of one wouldn’t hurt to toss in, but it’s unnecessary. It already seemed silly to me in the theater that Rey burned down the TIE only for Luke to point out, “hey be careful, there might be stuff in there that you need.” Also that Kylo must have transferred the wayfinder after Rey destroyed the first TIE on Pasaana.

Not that you need me to say so, but use any and everything you want from LOE. I’d love nothing more than to say “hey if you want Padme dead look at octorox.”

Ascendant throws the reveal to Rey about them becoming ‘one’ as being a revelation to the audience. So it’s not like there’s a big “duh-DUN” waiting for us on Exegol.

Yeah, I’m inclined to agree with Burbin. And not just because the audio would be a pain to work with. 😃

The problem would be visual I think, not one of audio.

I think that’d be more awkward. Almost certain I’d tried it even.

I agree but you’d have to have a super brief cutaway to Finn between the two lines or have Chewbacca give a delayed reaction, to the name rather than the substance.

Yeah, I’d considered if this shot could help in the past and it didn’t seem to. I think it’s fine to have them show up, since we see them snooping a little before they jump out. The worst thing is the sort of sudden transition from the Viceroy landing and being told they have the queen to her being marched out of the palace.

Here’s the Poe briefing as it stands. It’s a big improvement over V3:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YigUiFMQxJfSIsqQbo90QsfF2ZWqC0kA/view?usp=share_link

Problem there is we’d go from pan up establishing shot of the palace to either a wipe or a cut to panning down from the palace to the queen being marched out.

fmalover said:

Dave Filoni is a terrible storyteller.

I gotta non-angrily agree.

No, I don’t want to bring up a lot of unnecessary baggage by alluding to that classic line.

If we put back Palpatine’s line, “I never wanted you dead, I wanted you here,” it would not be clear that he changed his plans. Originally he really did want her alive all along, even when she was a child. The narrative for Ascendant is that he really was trying to have her killed, since he had already invested years and years into Kylo Ren with that mighty Skywalker blood. But when he was redeemed into Ben again, Palpatine made Rey the next target to corrupt and become able to possess. So if that line were reinstated, the audience would take it as the truth and be confused. And since we can’t have that line, the way to clarify he’s changed his plans is to interject something into the hologram scene. Unless we want “the Princess of Alderaan has disrupted my plan but her foolish act will be in vain” to do the heavy lifting. But it still wouldn’t help the audience see through Palpatine stating he always wanted Rey there.

The Rey Nobody edit, like all of these fan edits, exists in a parallel universe in which it is the final film that was presented and marketed to the world. (Nevermind that this parallel universe would probably also have its own Hal9000 project.)

In other words, the reader must be assumed to be someone for whom this version simply is the movie, with no other context assumed.

Good point about the Final Order line. If needed I bet the wide shot of the hologram could be looped.

Or just: “The final order begins. Vader’s grandson has proved unworthy of the throne, but the girl must now be tested. Let her approach.”

Also, I added to my list the possibility of replacing “lightspeed skip/ram” with something else. If slip/skip/nip/snip ends up sounding good in two matching generated lines I’m all for it.

Impressive! The first line sounds good but the second doesn’t quite yet.

I like that.

Hell, maybe use his hologram scenes from episode three as well.

Yes, that’s right. Poe and Palpatine are the two outstanding things. Palpatine is not strictly necessary, but if we wanted to potentially add some thing to the hologram scene, it might be doable.

I’ll play with those Poe lines next chance I get. RL, got the raw Jannah lines?

RogueLeader said:

I had a go at the Finn and Jannah scene.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JVfNWEHbAeUcyaNeV9w66N-iYoT2XSiJ

Already have! But thanks for the reminder.

Here is the current roster of changes for V4, written as though already complete.

The vision Rey experiences while training with the remote has been heavily modified to better establish her apprehension about the Sith throne and her sense of unworthiness, and has been separated from Kylo’s vision (help from DominicCobb)

Added a new illustration to the ancient Jedi texts to foreshadow the healing technique seen in this film (illustration by NeverarGreat, composited by RogueLeader)

After Rey heals the sandworm, she mentions to BB8 that she learned how “from the ancient texts,” involving them to a greater extent in the movie to increase a sense of connection to TLJ (AI voice provided Jar Jar Bricks)

Changed Rey’s line to Leia as she turns over the lightsaber from “your brother’s saber” to “your family’s saber” to begin to plant a seed about eventually identifying herself with the Skywalker family (AI voice provided by Jar Jar Bricks)

In a callback to a line modified earlier, when Leia hands Leia the saber before she departs the base, she tells Rey, “You are family” (AI line provided by Jar Jar Bricks)

During the flashback to Luke and Leia training together, replaced mention that Leia sensed the death of her son at the end of her Jedi path with mention that she felt called to serve via diplomacy as their mother did (AI voice provided by Jar Jar Bricks)

New dialogue for Poe during the briefing scene establishes clearly that the Final Order fleet consists of modified ships from the Empire, rather than implying they were built from the ground up later on (AI voice provided by Jar Jar Bricks and RogueLeader)

Added a line for Kylo Ren calling Palpatine “a ghost in a rotting clone” (AI voice provided by Jar Jar Bricks)

Added two brief lines for Jannah to establish that her stormtrooper mutiny was inspired by Finn (AI lines provided by Jar Jar Bricks)