Hmmm… maybe not a bad or worst idea, but why not just paint out half the destroyers in the Final Order?
What will they blow up next? The galaxy? The UNIVERSE?
I’m probably not going to move the Han scene up like that because it doesn’t seem to me that the following scene bears the change believably. 😕
I wish it worked better.
I’ll have to think and stuff about how to structure the post-duel scenes. I guess Kijimi’s destruction really can be pretty much snipped with few lateral effects. This makes it feel more like the First Order and Final Order were meant to come together in the end, rather than “Muwhahaha, that was just a false start and HERE is the REAL doomsday machine!”
Here’s the current state of the crawl. The first sentence is temporary and needs something more inspired. And the second paragraph needs another clause. Not sure if “rumored” could be replaced with something like “stashed.”
Episode IX
THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
The flame of rebellion burns. To suffocate a growing uprising, the tyrannical First Order has silenced communication between neighboring systems.
General Leia Organa has dispatched her brave agents across the stars to unite the disparate rebelling worlds in the name of Resistance.
Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren has traveled to Mustafar, chasing whispers of a rumored Imperial fleet that would allow him to destroy any threat to his power…
Jamesleaf, thanks! Pedantry makes for a good end result.
Ed, love the sig.
Han wears his dice around his neck when he appears to Kylo Ren in TROS.
And I’d love to (see someone) edit it into Episode X (through XII).
We will have to let it sit and see if it… ferments? I do like the idea and would prefer it, as long as I‘m wrong about the healing scene feeling wrong being made to follow Kylo resolving himself.
Yep, and there’s that idea coming around again. I like it a lot, but I still feel like Driver’s acting after being stabbed feels like it’s pre-Han conversation, not post. But again, it’s hard to imagine whether it would have felt that way in the theater.
nl0428’s restructure of the post-Leia death section of the movie allows for removing the destruction of Kijimi, along with the sole pre-FO-personnel-getting-involved-as-lead-by-Pryde interior glimpse of one of the Final Order destroyers.
The destroyers will all still have those big guns mounted, but nothing in the movie would need to spell out “THESE ARE MINI DEATH STARS” or actually destroy yet another planet.
Any thoughts about this? In this order, it does make it look like Ben was standing around for a while, and we lose the direct transition from the crew reacting to Leia’s death to him dealing with it. I guess a restructure wouldn’t even technically be needed to remove Kijimi. Just have Palpatine say “come to me on Exegol, General Pryde,” and go to Poe praying to Leia. (That’s not sarcastic, he’s interceding to her for help even if it’s symbolic; we all do it.)
Excellent thoughts, you all. Perhaps simply using the establishing shots of the forest may be nice enough of an addition to the opening. Truth be told I never had an issue with the opening scene as it was.
And I won’t be using the Palptine broadcast.
I think a combination of shot 2, Chase Adams’ establishing shots https://youtu.be/bVM5aOUbRdk and Vader’s Castle would work perfectly.
Yeah, that’s very nice. I still think it seems a little weird to see him on the bridge for a second. If the helmet scene were moved there, it’d be perfect. As long as the consensus ends up saying that’s the way to go rather than leaving it during or after Rey trains.
Leia holding Padme’s necklace would have been good if Ben spoke with Anakin rather than Han. I imagine, in the world where Padmé went to live on Alderaan, it was still buried with her and/or destroyed along with Alderaan.
Or, if you want the time stream to correct itself around this distortion more thoroughly, she was taken back to Naboo for burial along with the necklace at some point.
Nice!
Yeah, something like that would do nicely. Good work! Even ducking into this thread at 2AM after looking before going to sleep and there’s new cool stuff!
I agree 100%. I just wanted to play devil’s advocate about the bad guys and their former one-sidedness in fairness to the original point.
I don’t know why I’m doing this, but to be fair he was talking about FO personnel. I wouldn’t raise this point if he had said this about the Resistance or characters in general. The Empire that we see and get to know within the OT films comprises white men, a rather Nazi-esque group in their overall style.
The FO seems to have… progressed to a much more diverse, multiethnic and gender group. I guess anyone has a chance to be evil!
In the EU, new and old, efforts have been made to make the Empire (and to be fair the rebels too somewhat, especially pre-ROTJ, seen prominently in Rogue One as compared to ANH) more diverse, so that in universe when taking all media into account it’s pretty uniform throughout. As opposed to, say, seeing an office with all men working at desks and all female secretarial staff and using that to help you determine when it was filmed and/or set. Norms of society shift over time.
Now… I’m not defending what I perceive his point to be per se, but I kind of like the OT Empire being pretty well monolithic and implicitly racist, mostly out of a desire to rationalize the lore of the movies without cheating by talking about other things off camera that change things, but the FO is a different beast forged in a different generation and having different needs in order to amass power.
JEDIT: To be extra clear, my value criterion here is verisimilitude of the movies as they are, extrapolating from them rather than pushing other things onto them. The same way some of us may have thought up in-universe explanations for filmmaking issues like the ‘force field’ under the landspeeder or a convoluted reason for 3PO to waver on recognizing Leia in ANH.
Yep, and this post answers my question about it in the other thread. 😃
^ Are you saying that version stays timed to the original scene’s audio with the new visuals being worked in? Without a direct comparison, that version plays very nicely.
The first time I saw the movie after Palpatine explodes (2.0), I imagined a bedtime narrator saying, “And then huge rocks and granite flew into the people that were watching and chanting, because if you believe in yourself boulders will smash the heads of your enemies.” Weird to be paired with the yearning of the binary sunset piece.
Oh, that darned canon… Wouldn’t it be easier if it all just blew away?
Thank you! Audio shouldn’t be a problem.
Does anyone besides masked Kylo and Palptine refer to Rey as a scavenger? I wonder how feasible it may be to remove that, as she seemed to move past that in the eyes of all the characters.
Okay, fair enough. Noble idea and mockup but maybe not.
Yeah, I hear you about the framing being off-style for the movie. It’s hard to imagine whether it would have felt off if we saw it in the theater, and part of why I like it is that it doesn’t feel overly manufactured. The audio replacement alone is nice, though, if nothing else.
Skenera, that shot looks good! I don’t think his cape matters, as I would want to crib that shot between two establishing shots anyway and he could easily have discarded it. It’s the snow that’s probably gonna kill it. Ash maybe, but snow might be too weird to accept.
Heres the song I used for the rescore:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvSVjbP3Iss
Nice. If I ever get the chance that’s a very good idea for a track go try to use for almost the whole scene.
In the extended podrace intro, the farting animal is extended to wonderful effect. It’s a hell of a fart there.