Hal 9000

You could probably replace every mention of ‘Palpatine’ in TROS with ‘Sheev.’

Sigh

I… all these points make sense and are valid. I never had a problem with Mustafar personally at all, so for lack of anything to push me over the edge I’d like to keep the structure as it is. Nothing else feels totally right, at least based off our finished product source material. I do like getting a “Find me” at the end to lessen the necessity of spelling out Papa Sheev Cos “Frank” Palpatine in the crawl.

If there’s a good establishing shot that doesn’t hurt anything, fair enough. But removing Mustafar AND the chess leaves too little breathing room.

And hey, if this project turns out like TFA:R, TLJ:L, and others, it can be used as a launchpad for other projects to go in other directions. I’m more than okay with that.

No one will be totally happy with it. Not even me!

I plan to follow Dominic’s lead for the two visions, with the latter being part of the helmet forging scenes.

Yeah… I’ll probably stick to the original structure. It might be better to move this to the general ideas thread, since this project seems in need of having some channels closed.

Yeah, I don’t want to add another transport. If we can see it, shouldn’t they? And we’re moving the Chewie reveal to later, so there’s less of a reason to want to show it.

Just have her ship jostle as she’s taking off, maybe the wing Luke took off before TLJ sends her in a rough flight pattern before she stabilizes it. 😛

^^Oh, Movies Remastered, I was just kidding. I don’t know about that being discussed, I may as well have just said “HEY YOU GO TO HELL” as a nod to your comment about the cold shoulder you’ve gotten on Reddit.

But isn’t the Resistance disseminating intel they got in the first scene before the FO should have had it to begin with?

Restructuring the opening carries some inertia, I think, so I will prefer to err on the conservative side of things, while remaining open.

Movies Remastered said:

I’m trying to bring it up here as I got my ass handed to me on reddit but…

Did anyone debunk the fact that Ray destroys kylo ren’s whisper after she jumps over it but then 2 seconds later it’s back? Both Vader and kylo Ren had prototypes before I.e. the silencer, so why would he have an extra as it was a specifically modified Interceptor?

I’ve fixed it but wondering people’s thought?

Listen, man, don’t EVER bring that up here again. 😛

idir_hh said:

dgraham414 said:
Opening shot would be tie fighters going towards kylo’s ship just out in space (probably a reverse shot from TFA) with Kylo on the bridge staring into nothingness.

Liked the idea so I made a quick test. It works really well with Poppa’s tie fighter’s flying above the forest, would be nice though to have a shot of Vader’s castle with the 3 fighters flying by to tie it all together.
https://vimeo.com/420388818

That’s pretty good! The TIEs provide the sort of POV we follow to get us down to the planet surface. I wish it could be Hux and Pryde on the destroyer, as it feels weird to follow the ties away from Kylo to… Kylo.

I know I can’t touch on everything that’s been said so far this morning right now, and I hope I don’t sound blunt! But I am leaning toward keeping Mustafar as it is, maybe with a shot to set it up if it feels right.

The restructure was interesting and has a lot going for it, but you’re right that this thing is a Gordian knot. And there’d have to be something in his helmet vision to bring him to being FIRED UP when we see him next.

Movies Remastered, you’re moving Mustafar to after the board room scene? How’s that work?

Yes, while I’m sympathetic to all the work I and others put in, I’ve had a lot of work left along dead ends and you have to be willing to kill your darlings.

And just as a reminder, this would be a very different conversation if we were still making the movie, and we are especially limited by this film when we are working from a completed product and considering what we can do that would still have felt totally legit were it projected in theaters for ourselves and general audiences in a parallel universe.

Hmm, probably not but I’ll try to keep that in mind in the event that I do revise things in the future. Thanks for the kind words, and I’m glad you enjoyed it overall. I guess I could’ve spot checked the audio overlay in the louder spots.

Lol sure, thanks. It’s no trouble but yeah.

That’s an interesting structure, I will look forward to seeing it in action. Hard to assess on paper.

Suspense, suspense!

Nice. Reminds me of an edit when Dooku flips so hard as he jumps off the balcony that his heads falls off.

Wonderful, poppasketti, thanks for doing that! The shot is very shaky but it looks perfectly fine to me, so whenever you have it to your satisfaction I’ll be happy to bake it in.

Good point about Kylo having two TIEs and presumably should have lost the Wayfinder in the first. I guess if he survived he saved it along with himself. But yeah. lol

Mustafar, Mustafar, Mustafar… we’re all split on it, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see eventual edits featuring all three main approaches. Currently I’m leaning toward keeping the scene more or less as is, with an establishing shot to buffer, and adding “Find me” to allow for a hint of what is to come and not require name dropping Palpatine in the crawl.

Obi-Wan’s eopie during the final scene of ROTS farts right as Obi-Wan turns to head back. During that shot, comp in the eopie from the extended podrace intro straining in order to let out a series of farts, which continue out of frame as Owen joins Beru.

https://youtu.be/DCDCWyDrLEU
2:45

It’s really a joyous thing as an oddity and doesn’t have to be part of the movie itself.

While I’m not 100% sure about the chess scene, I think removing both it and Mustafar from the opening chunk of the movie makes it interminably fast. Mustafar lets us see Kylo’s been roving and searching to find Palpatine and lets us get settled in and curious by the time he finds him. Leaving Mustafar alone might make moving the chess scene feel less frenetic.

Ash, I imagined the shot of the TIE exiting hyperspace near Exogol as the easiest place to open from a crawl pan. And based on discussion the last couple pages, if one were to remove Mustafar there would be some fruit in also removing showing him with the Wayfinder, in that we see Kylo’s when Rey does. (And it’s less of a sense that Luke reminded Rey of something the audience feels she was already aware of, burning things wantonly.)

Yeah, and my style is usually to be fairly conservative. This particular project could serve as a basis for anyone wanting to exceed its ambition.

It’s wonderful to see you!

In watching through the first few scenes of the movie, skipping around to imitate our ideas, I think the opening feels very rushed removing Mustafar and the chess scene.

You can try it: skip to Kylo approaching Exogol, then skip the chess scene. Feels pretty breakneck. The Mustafar and travel scenes let us get into the movie for a minute before dumping Palpatine on us.

I really don’t mind Mustafar as is, so this isn’t an obvious answer. It might be best as it is, even without the meat of the scene, with or without a couple establishing shots. (Just leave it at the theatrical version so no one’s happy!) Leaving this alone could help losing the chess scene in the opening a bit more forgivable.

This finished movie just doesn’t give us much wiggle room.

https://youtu.be/DCDCWyDrLEU

2:45

The whole gag is a good 15 seconds. The thing farts and howls about it. We need to get that into 4K and back into the movie. All theatrical otherwise.

In all seriousness, I miss my ooooold TPM edit sourced from DVD, where I could mix and match from all the extended podrace bits. Couldn’t really do that while working with the BluRay since it’s so different.

Agreed. It’s best to pursue each option earnestly. I’m sure they’ll all have takers, even if they all can’t be me!