Hal 9000

Apply a 0.75x speed to Lando’s laugh as he arrives with the fleet in TROS.

I think one thing that makes restructuring the opening feel wrong is that even though we hear “the Falcon still hasn’t reported in,” we see Poe and Finn appearing to just start their mission. The reason it took so long to get back was because Poe screwed up the Falcon with his shenanigans.

DZ-330 said:

Here is a very rough mockup of the restructure:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kUZNzMavv6m_hTcBi1yqY4–sQalmApq/view?usp=sharing

Link says I need access. (I requested it.)

nl0428 said:

Also, I know that you’ll be making two versions to please both sides of Rey’s lineage (like you did with Padmé’s fate in your edit of Episode III), but just curious which you’d prefer overall for the story, Hal? I prefer her to be a nobody than be Palpatine’s granddaughter.

I think Rey Palpatine is dumb, and would much rather they had just continued what TLJ solidified about where she came from.

However, this film of which I am working on a fan edit was built with her being a Palpatine in mind, so I need to be mindful of that. Plus, as I interact with Star Wars more broadly, I don’t enjoy giving my heterodox version of the saga more incompatibilities. To be able to still chew on “the story that we got.”

Burbin said:

Since no one has brought it up, what about trimming the line “Dark science, cloning, secrets only the Sith knew.”

It’s so dumb considering there was an entire war named after clones with no direct relation to the Sith.

Well, it’s nice to have an onscreen reference to the possibility of Palpatine being a clone. For lack of any other way to make that more solid of an idea, I’d be reluctant to remove it.

And as cool of an idea as it is, Palpatine’s microphone reading of “more than a clone, less than a man” just seems to different to fit in.

I’d bet my last jar of mustard on it.

Leia is always going to be a very weird thing about this movie, but I don’t plan to remove her for my edit.

I like the scene where Chewie supposedly dies, I just don’t like that it was a cheap fakeout! However, it’s a little beyond the scope of this project to just remove. Now, we see Rey sense Chewie’s alive, and see him a bit later when the crew rescue him. Damn, it’d be good to have that Kylo Chewie scene to work with.

Hey, that’s what the movie needs. JJ needs to overcome his allergy to ships taking off and landing.

Put JJ in the Clockwork Orange chair watching the Enterprise scene from Star Trek TMP.

I’ll give it an earnest try and watch the first 12 minutes of the movie when I can.

Since I don’t have strong feelings one way or the other, I could plan to use “Ben, come home” if and when Dominic (or anyone) gets it to sound seamless.

Adding the dyad to the opening scene seems pretty sketchy to me. The audio is pretty rough. I’m okay with leaving the dyad pretty much as it is, clunky though it be.

Movies Remastered, would you mind posting or directing me to a clip of your idea for adding a DOTF moment to the acolytes?

Personally, I think the order of scenes at the start of the movie is fine. Reordering them makes a bit more sense if you want to remove the “who is she” thing, but even then…

Let me stew on that.

I will play with the Sith whispers thing, but if anyone has the chance to first, feel free!

What does everyone think of having an allusion to DOTF as the acolytes kneel in front of Palpatine? I think it was brought up before and shot down. If it sounds diagetic and isn’t tracked, I think it could work. Maybe even enough not to need to use it for the DSII duel.

Too many things to comment on at the moment!

I think skipping “Leia knew it too” is the way to go.

I’d happily remove Klaud if those two shots can be worked on to remove him.

I’ll try again to remove the lightspeed skipping dialogue.

I’ll try a quick cross fade as Finn senses Rey dying. Good idea!

I plan to include lines for the Knights of Ren from the other thread, but probably just a couple.

Chase Adams said:

Hal 9000 said:

Watto chimes in prominently as the civilian fleet arrives in TROS.

I had a similar idea, we could have the two-headed podrace announcer yell “SKYWALKER!” by repurposing audio from TPM.

Lol

You’ve all given me a hell of a lot of feedback on day 1 of the first workprint. I thank you.

I’ve just updated the OP with my intentions at this point in time and the status of each.

If anyone is interested in Muffy’s idea of making it appear that Kylo is farther away from Rey as they fight over the Chewie shuttle, feel free to give it a shot. I didn’t put it on my list, though.

Watto chimes in prominently as the civilian fleet arrives in TROS.

Absolutely.

That’s really not bad. And you’re absolutely right, it shows Luke back in his right mind taking what the Force throws at him. I guess maybe in this version Leia may not have known at all. And, hey, why would she?

You know what? If you’d like I wouldn’t mind volunteering to dub over another medical droid. Lol

Anyone know where to find some good Sith whispers? Or maybe Palpatine can continually chant “find me.”

natm said:

Hal 9000 said:

Okay and I think as of this post everyone should have a PM.

Can you pm me it please I’d really enjoy to see what you have come up with so far. It seems like you guys are all great at this and I’m excited to see how it differs from the theatrical cut

I got you.

I bet that guy could produce a fitting piece intended to be overlaid onto the actual scene, but he’d have to do that intentionally, I think.

I’m really okay personally with a music-less duel scene. I’m just planning to do an alternate track because it’s such a popular idea and alternate audio is easy to include. But I don’t like the idea of just tracked music; we would all have roasted them if that’s what they had done. So it’s tricky. But I’ll use tracked music if it’s the best option for an alternate track for those that want it.

Tangential: I don’t plan to add “come home” to Leia’s last words. I can’t help but feel it’s even more of a “cut up bits and pieces of Fischer for TROS.” And it makes it even weirder. Is she saying “come home” to me as I die and take you with me?

Thanks, Muffy. I’ll look forward to your mockup.

I won’t comment on everything, but I’ll try most of those.

Is there anything worth altering about Boolio’s lines if subtitling him? “Holy hell, I heard Palpatine returned somehow. I had to search everywhere to find this SATA cable.”

Hmm, removing the dyad exposition may make it feel even more weird. “The power of love has healed my cold heart. Healed it… FOR EVIL.”

Fair enough.

Thanks to everyone for the feedback so far. Good stuff. Hopefully it won’t be too long before there can be a more complete workprint, with a crawl and Mustafar especially.

DZ-330 said:

I think this might have gotten lost in the thread but does anyone else have any feedback on cutting the Finn scenes from Rey and Kylo’s duel and have it not cut away except for the Leia moment.

I can take a look at that and see how it plays.

JEDIT: There’s a few points that would either be awkward cuts it having to cut out a fair bit of the duel. I’ll probably leave Finn there, just with one or two fewer exclamations if “RAAAAAYYYY”.

And I can’t even remember, did anyone ever find a non-soundtrack version of Duel if the Fates that sounded like a good fit for TROS?

Yes, I’m absolutely going to use Dominic’s two flashback scenes. They just aren’t ready yet.

Hadn’t thought of it, but if “excellent name” can be seamlessly trimmed that’d be all right.

“They fly now” has now been cut. (“They cut ‘They fly now’ now!” “They cut ‘They fly now’ now?” “They cut ‘They fly now’ now.”)

I’ve cut the TIE explosion, though it still rolls away like a meatball on a sunshiney day.

Even though I put some work into getting the audio right, I agree that the Hux Chewie scene might be better omitted. Man, ideally we’d be able to put the deleted Kylo and Chewie scene there.

I’m planning to use whatever added score for the DSII Duel is deemed best, as an alternate audio track.

I don’t plan to remove the Luke and Leia music from the Lando and Jannah scene. To me it telegraphs a potential family connection, or at least a spiritual family bond as they each fill the gap left by the other’s missing parent or child. It’s a leitmotif way of implying that Lando’s not just being a dirty old man. I dunno, I can see how it feels off, but I get what it’s going for.

Yeah, the ending is real nice. 😃