RogueLeader, I like that a lot but I don’t think it’s going to be totally convincing and natural with what we’re stuck with.
Krausfadr, that’s certainly an intriguing idea, but sort of the same. I don’t imagine that really working gangbusters. They really should have FILMED something like that, though. Ugh.
Since it might take a little work to mask out the windows and such, perhaps Coruscant could just be added to the shot of the Knights’ flying toward the Star Destroyer. Maybe Coruscant could be added to the bottom of the screen, similar to how poppa replaced Endor in that one shot of the Falcon flying toward Kef Bir.
IMO, I think if you leave out the transports landing, but go straight to the interior shot of the stormtroopers disembarking and then charging into battle, it looks good. I also think muting the Battlefront footage would help, if you were to keep it in.
Strongly agree here. Not that I’m a big fan of the Battlefront stuff, but the landing is the worst part due to the odd speed and camera angle, and there shouldn’t be any voices when they leave so that it flows a bit better into Kylo’s reveal.
I threw together a SUPER rough cut in the default Windows editor of how this would look.
I like the battlefront footage, but I don’t want to throw half the viewing audience. The people that I showed this to that I know in real life were themselves split along the lines of people who play video games and people who don’t. I don’t know what it is about that footage, but if it is going to be drawing to a number of people I’d prefer not to include it in the very first scene. Just having the one shot of the TIEs added works better than I imagined it would. So I’m happy for the TIE fighters to show up, have a drum solo for a minute, and then proceed with the movie.
What is left to do for v1?
Not a great deal. You can look at the first post and see what does not have a check mark next to it. Most of what remains at this point are things needed from other people that are still being worked on. Also, since I’m crazy busy and have a full schedule all the time, I’m hoping we can give this thing a good gestation period in order to avoid doing a V2. Even if that means putting out a serious workprint with good specs, just not doing subtitles and commentary and all that other stuff.
I don’t know if anybody has suggested this yet, but I have an idea for extra footage that could potentially be put in to smoothen the pacing. When rey and the others escape pasaana in Ochi’s ship, the next time we see the falcon it’s being flown to the first orders Star destroyer, and ren talks to the emperor. There is a deleted scene from the force awakens where kylo is in the falcon searching it, and he goes up to the pilot seat, clearly thinking about his dad. Since the falcons abandoned on pasaana, we could add this scene in so kylo is the one who flies the falcon back, and he hears voices of his dad/mom when he is in the falcon. This could be done with some vfx on his helmet to make the red cracks on it, and some color correction so it looks like pasaana when he is in the cockpit.
That’s a really interesting idea. I wonder if his TFA outfit would be too much of an issue, though. The helmet is missing the red cracks, sure, but his cloak in TFA is completely different as well, and there’s also a potential continuity issue of him not wearing his helmet in the previous Pasaana scenes.
There are snowtroopers in the scene too, which would severely limit the available shots or require even more intense special effects editing.
+1
It was recently confirmed by (Lucasfilm art manager) Phil Szostack that the scene was filmed and finished but was cut for time.
I did want to ask, because I honestly cannot tell, was my voice in the sampler? Just find it funny that I can’t even tell if my own voice is there after the effects. Lol (And if so, I’m frankly glad it didn’t make it to the finalists!)
You were, you even got some votes! I didn’t put the full vote count because I worried some might be a little embarrassed if they didn’t get any votes, but I can post a sheet of who was who for each Knight if you’re curious
Nah, I was just amused at really not being able to tell!
Yeah, I’ve come to agree more strongly, too. If I hadn’t already committed to putting out a Rey Nobody version of Ascendant I would cite those points.
I would much rather they have stuck with Rey Nobody, and they could certainly have written something compelling from that point. But, I don’t think fan editing that point back in results in a better TROS in and of itself. But it’s ambiguous, so I’ll be glad to just swap out scenes and chunks for an alternate version!
What is the best source for the Palpatine message, shitty video game footage captured by some guy?
“Skywalker is dead, the Republic, Destroyed. The work of generations is complete. The day of revenge is at hand, the day of the Sith. Send the fleet across all the galaxy, let it burn. The Final Order begins.”
“Yes my lord”
It raises the steaks from “a world they know” to the entire galaxy. It also ties everything in the past two films into a neat knot.
Now Poe’s dialogue makes more sense in response to this. “so Palpatine has been out there all this time, pulling the strings”
That’s very nice. It will likely be quite a while before I’d be able to sit down and assemble that myself, but hopefully applying a uniform radio effect will make it all cohere. Where would “across” come from?
If anyone would like to get that audio together, though, please feel free. I think that’d be a solid opening to the scene. 😃
I’ve mocked up about every possible combination of the footage already. See my Vimeo channel (?) from that link to see the others. I didn’t put passwords on them.
Very interesting. I like the idea of “A day of revenge, a day we all can share” or whatever, then Poe saying “He’s been planning his revenge,” then “The Final Order begins” and Poe saying “He calls it the Final Order… in 16 minutes attacks on all three worlds begins.”
YES.
(Si, Threepio!)
Excellent work! I think a blind poll like you laid out makes it totally fair for your voice to come out on top. As you say, as long as there are options so each knight can have a unique voice.
I did want to ask, because I honestly cannot tell, was my voice in the sampler? Just find it funny that I can’t even tell if my own voice is there after the effects. Lol (And if so, I’m frankly glad it didn’t make it to the finalists!)
Here’s how it would be with just the TIEs shot.
Cool, man, thanks for the detailed breakdown. I could see something like that working as a replacement for that one line.
In thinking about Mustafar… It’s true that the original idea didn’t really pan out, of making it visually clearer that it was that planet using lava. As it stands we just extended it with more of the same environment. I keep getting, including from people IRL, a 50/50 split on finding the added video game footage believable vs weird. The only relatively noncontroversial shot is poppasketti’s TIEs, but I don’t think it really improves the scene to only add that shot alone. In light of all this, I think it would be better to leave it with the theatrical. 😕
Oh, of course, because you removed Poe’s line and the surrounding reactions.
That plays pretty well. However, it borrows shots from later in the scene and it may not work to lose them.
Yeah, I like NOT having anything capitalized in TROS:A. And, for that matter, nothing in the crawl that would even feel like would need to be capitalized.
“I will earn your family’s saber, one day.”
“You are family.”
If only we had a good source for that. That would’ve been nice.
ALLOL
YES that kid has been terrible lately at night.
I’m just kidding. It was like 3AM for me.
tried a little take on the palpatine message, might be a little too subtle
https://vimeo.com/433918483
pw: fanedit
That’s not a bad idea. If there were enough footage to be able to let it play out before they comment on it I think it’d work. As it is, it makes me wonder why they aren’t listening to it intently until it’s finished.