I agree, and also don’t want to press our luck with the cumulative effect of AI voice usage. I’m only anticipating a few minor things for V5 in that regard.
And yeah, any updated takes for older AI lines I’m all for, JJB.
I really don’t want to add Sith eyes to non-vision Rey, as much as I appreciate and enjoy Nev’s TFA edit.
V5 will likely be further buttoning things up, rather than big overhauls.
I will see how that plays, JJB! It actually sounds really good.
That’s gonna have to be a “no,” although if you wanted to rip the 3D discs and recreate the edits’ video stream, you could. I don’t know if there’s a way to contrive a 3D effect for modified shots.
Her line would be “To save her son now, will take all the strength she has left.” I posted a link to it in this thread awhile back.
Oh, right. Sorry, forgot about that when mixing it together!
Hal, is this something that you are considering for V5 of Ascendant when the time comes?
No, I think it muddles what’s happening and I don’t think it works fully. I’d also rather have Leia reach out as herself first before we let Han take over the show.
Also, JJB, what Maz line do you mean?
Here, Nev, here is that scene with 5.1 audio. It’s a first attempt, and so if you have feedback and are interested in making it better, let me know. The sync is not identical to the clip you provided, so you are aware.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zZuEYos__YBJMY8rSfjggjOS-02Hxr3n?usp=share_link
Hmm, it sounds like the central channel is missing.
Other than that, it sounds good 😉
Try the mkv I just added. The mov file is for editing rather than viewing, with six separate mono tracks that together comprise the 5.1.
There are certainly flaws here, so again, if this is something you want to develop further let me know.
Yeah, I don’t there’s a way around the GPS coordinates aspect of the dagger. And that’s okay. I’d wager that sampling 3PO’s Sith-eye voice would yield an AI voice capable of carrying a modified phrase or two though.
Just some sort of clue wedged in there that it guides its Force-sensitive bearer based on the dark side somehow.
And I like that new 3PO line idea! “I do believe I am some sort of… spy.” Perfect.
Here, Nev, here is that scene with 5.1 audio. It’s a first attempt, and so if you have feedback and are interested in making it better, let me know. The sync is not identical to the clip you provided, so you are aware.
The mov file is for use in editing, and the mkv is more suitable for straightforward viewing.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zZuEYos__YBJMY8rSfjggjOS-02Hxr3n?usp=share_link
Here are my thoughts, ideas, and wonderings about V5 at this point.
Mute a few lines right after the swirling Knights of Ren photoshoot, just to let things breathe a moment
Including Rey reacting to Leia having known her dark heritage secret, but using a new line to imply she learned or sensed this sometime after TLJ
Anything else we can do about the dagger? And I wonder about reinstating it being depicted as her parents’ murder weapon; it was removed to allow for greater clarity that it can mystically reveal directions to the wayfinder.
Anyone else feel 3PO’s line “Terrible job, sir” was out of character? Wonder about maybe changing it to something like “Excellent job sir” … “Nobody’s perfect” or something. (Probably not.)
3PO has one or two lines too many after the heroes fall underground. I’ll mute at least his last one of “we might still be.”
New lines for Zorri Bliss to give Poe backstory of having worked undercover, and to contextualize the fighting on Kijimi as related to Luke’s inspiration
And when arriving on Kijimi, I’d ideally like to replace some of the ‘Star Wars reference’ stormtrooper lines with lines that support the above recontextualization of the violence in the streets
Any ideas for the short exchange between the stormtroopers and 3PO?
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So I’ll just make it very short: Thanks boys and girls, from the bottom of my heart - you made Star Wars great again. I’ll be forever grateful.
Potentially loaded phrasing aside, thanks for the kind words. Always fulfilling to hear about these being enjoyed.
Hal, what is your workflow like since this edit has two branches; Rey nobody and the main edit? Are they two separate projects in your editor and you copy and paste changes from the main timeline to the Rey Nobody project?
Just curious. Thanks for all your hard work!
I’ll duplicate (copy and paste) the main timeline and then implement the Nobody pieces.
And yeah, the AI voices have compelled further work after I felt settled with V2 because the tech solved problems we didn’t think we could.
Yeah that’s much better. And yes, RL, I’m thinking I’ll wait until all the Rey Nobody stuff is ready and update both versions at once.
It’s a surprising amount of work to prep a release, with all the audio and subtitles that go into it.
Just wanted to assure Nev that I was able to work a bit on the 5.1 for his Leia death scene, and while I am not done yet I will still return to it as I am able.
I was literally thinking last night, “Ugh, now I’m facing a V5; why didn’t we explore this idea before?” And was like “Oh yeah, it literally wasn’t possible before.” lol
I gotta say, I don’t love that particular render of the line, as it sounds sort of AI-crusty. But something like that, yeah.
I think that’d be a bit too on the nose, but some mention of training would be a nice parallel.
Hmmmm… implies that it took her some time to sense it. Sort of mirrors Luke sensing rising darkness in Ben while training him.
Sorta sounds like he’s got a big ego on ‘im.
If I had to make a call on the wording right this minute and live with it, I’d go with “Leia learned the truth after my passing.” Doesn’t explicitly comment on Luke’s own knowledge and leaves it open, though implies she learned it from Luke and preventing the misunderstanding that she knew during the prior movies.
I’d prefer ‘learned’ or ‘discovered’ over ‘sensed,’ because it makes me wonder why she didn’t sense it sooner.
And I think I’ve come around on Poe as undercover cop. Zorri does tell him “He’s not stupid enough to come back here.”
So… there likely will be a V5 at some point. It’d be silly to be hasty about it, though. I imagine waiting until all the Rey Nobody pieces are finished to Dom’s satisfaction and then release a final version of both at once.
The analytic part of my brain would feel better having that partitioned off, though, lol.
You’re right it’s not necessarily the case but I just want to put up the bowling bumpers around that for the audience. Something that says she learned or discovered the truth would be enough, not merely that she knew. Because that leaves it open to maybe she knew from the moment she first saw her.
“I did a postmortem reconnaissance mission and dropped a shitton of military intel on her, and told her about your grandpappy.”
I’ve been thinking about Leia and the conversation on Ach-To since it was brought up here recently. It really would be good to have some mention of Leia somehow, because the scene barrels right into a Leia-centric conversation. And the film honestly does work better (in a vacuum) when Leia is aware of Rey’s heritage throughout. What I don’t like is the implication that Leia and/or Luke knew during the events of TFA/TLJ. Asking the audience to watch those stories again and try believe that is a bridge too far.
What if we simply replaced “Leia knew it too” with “Leia learned the truth after my passing”? That way it doesn’t state Luke told her, but it’s implied.
If I’d presented it to myself 2 days after seeing TROS through the miracle of time travel, I’d hardly have believed it myself. I’m grateful for the enormous help and dedication of the core group and ancillary work and discussion throughout. Not just for the end result but the experience.
It seems a bit backwards to massage the film to mesh with prior EU material since EU material will already bear that out in time as it does. If we say Poe left to join the Republic, even if that helps things that have been published so far surely it’ll come into conflict with future EU material.
Nothing wrong with making the change because you prefer it that way, but current EU seems like an unusual motivation.