Hal 9000

Sending you a PM.

JJB, you’re suggesting that we depict Poe as never having actually been a spice runner but doing so only undercover, and so he’d be taking our main characters back to a group he was working to betray all along? Seems foolhardy, even for him. I do like the Skywalker line, to contextualize what we are seeing going on there and add to that thread we tried to build up.

Certainly not going to promise a V5, but I will note these alternate lines for the moment, as well as Nev’s idea to mute lines for that shot.

It does seem like Rey and Kylo have a much larger reaction to Leia sensing/resolving what to do than they do when she actually does die. Kylo in particular when he stares off into space after collapsing, dejected; seems like he’s maybe just feeling that way because he himself is about to die.

Also the music repeats itself once, so I might see if there’s another cue to sub in that works.

Not sure the idea 100% works, but I’ll enjoy recreating the audio to the best of my ability when I get the chance to!

That must mean that beneath those shots in my timeline is a glowing red MEDIA MISSING thing.

I’ll get around to fixing that and re-exporting. Thank you for highlighting it.

All right, I’ll plan to do this next time I can.

Nev, if you can send me the elements used other than the film’s soundtrack I’d be happy to recreate it in 5.1. (And send the stereo mock-up.)

NFBisms said:

FE wants me to make a 5.1 mix,

🙄

Yeah, you’re absolutely right about the Force ghost thing. I agree that Luke knowing things by virtue of being a ghost and passing these things along to the living should not be a reason for any decisions about changes to make or not make.

And Nev, that’s an interesting idea for a restructure. It’s a little unclear, but that might even make it slightly more interesting.

Yeah, if it were up to me to rewrite Star Wars from memory while taking liberties in a postapocalyptic context, that’s one thing I’d tweak. I think the Jedi ghosts should function with ambiguity so that even if you wanted to say they were imaginary it wouldn’t change the story. The two instances that sort of do this is Kenobi in ROTJ and Luke in TROS, as their ghosts reveal novel, technical information to the living characters. It’s one thing to have your mentor pop up and encourage you to use what you know or even piece something together from what you know, and another to pop up and reveal previously unknown intel.

But that’s moot for our purposes here. Even so, though, it would seem sorta dumb to me for Luke to just say, “Well when I died I snooped around and learned that you were Palpatine’s granddaughter and so I told Leia.” But you’re right; I can’t really imagine how else Leia would possibly have known!

Imagine if R2-D2 had been shot by stormtroopers on the Death Star while attempting to come aboard the Falcon, and so Kenobi allows himself to be killed. Then when they make it to the rebel base, he appears as a ghost to deliver his omniscient insight about how to coordinate an assault.

All this is to say that I just can’t make any sense out of the idea that Leia knew. And so I would rather Luke take a “so what?” approach, as if to say “I’ve been there, kid” and tell her it doesn’t mean anything. It’d be nice to include Leia in the scene to a greater extent, and what the scriptwriters did sort of makes sense in an immediate emotional way even though it causes confusion and muddies the story up to that point.

The dice died toward the end of TLJ though.

You can make a good case for it, JJB. And I’d much prefer what you describe over implying she was already aware of Rey being a Palpatine.

And, Nev, I most likely stupidly applied the LUT to the island sequence, save for the training flashback. Hopefully it ain’t too terribly bad.

About Leia knowing Rey was a Palpatine…

To me the idea just makes no sense. Even if books or comics explain it, it is a real headscratcher within the film series itself.

I don’t think it works to have a medium-sized revelation during the island scene about Leia knowing about Rey’s struggle or sense of darkness. We can see it on Leia’s face earlier in the film anyway. I think it is more effective for Luke to pierce Rey’s avoidance with a straightforward “So what?” about her being related to Palpatine. Not that Leia knew and didn’t care but that it doesn’t matter.

PM sent.

NFBisms said:

And now we have subtitles, thanks to the amazing snooker! I’ve added those .srt files to the Google Drive folder for anyone that wants them too.

CrescendoLunarlaz said:

Hal 9000 said:

I’ll send you a PM.

Hey did you send me a PM yet? ❤️

Yes. I sent you a PM, which you can see by clicking on the speech bubble at the top-right of this webpage. Not emailing though.

It wasn’t something I updated, and it sounds good to me as I just double-checked.

Yep.

V4 is now available in all the usual places.

And the Google Drive is working again! It’s 100% up to date now.

PM sent.

snooker said:

I’m working on my own subtitles for these and I’d be glad to share them when I finish!

Glad you posted this before I started to make some myself!

This fucking rules.

Andor is the best televised Star Wars show to date and I adore what you’ve done to fold Rogue One into the show as a mindblowing series finale arc. It fits right in. The replaced musical score gives it the same feel as the show and helps it feel appropriately distinct from the main saga.

These three episodes work wonderfully not only as an arc but each on their own. The endpoints of all three nail that slow burn we all love about Andor.

I can’t imagine the work that you must have put into the soundtrack for these. But it works. It’s only my prior familiarity with the film that tipped me off to some alternate sound effects here and there but this felt 100% seamless to my ears, at least while watching on built-in TV speakers from across the room.

I love these, and very much look forward to including them next year in a full watch-through of Andor. Exceptional job.

Just popping in to say that V4 of Ascendant will be here very soon. And to check in on the state of this effort, for the eventual ‘Rey Nobody’ companion version.

I’m ready for the pieces whenever they are.

As it has been, Ascendant’s Rey Nobody alternate version doesn’t seek anything radical beyond facilitating the removal of her being made into Palpatine’s granddaughter, and I’ll leave more ambitious ideas such as her killing her own parents to other projects.

Thanks, Dom and RL. You’re the best.

I’ll send you a PM.

It’ll be updated once more also, pending TMWNN completing his FX work.