Yeah that’s much better. And yes, RL, I’m thinking I’ll wait until all the Rey Nobody stuff is ready and update both versions at once.
It’s a surprising amount of work to prep a release, with all the audio and subtitles that go into it.
Just wanted to assure Nev that I was able to work a bit on the 5.1 for his Leia death scene, and while I am not done yet I will still return to it as I am able.
I was literally thinking last night, “Ugh, now I’m facing a V5; why didn’t we explore this idea before?” And was like “Oh yeah, it literally wasn’t possible before.” lol
I gotta say, I don’t love that particular render of the line, as it sounds sort of AI-crusty. But something like that, yeah.
I think that’d be a bit too on the nose, but some mention of training would be a nice parallel.
Hmmmm… implies that it took her some time to sense it. Sort of mirrors Luke sensing rising darkness in Ben while training him.
Sorta sounds like he’s got a big ego on ‘im.
If I had to make a call on the wording right this minute and live with it, I’d go with “Leia learned the truth after my passing.” Doesn’t explicitly comment on Luke’s own knowledge and leaves it open, though implies she learned it from Luke and preventing the misunderstanding that she knew during the prior movies.
I’d prefer ‘learned’ or ‘discovered’ over ‘sensed,’ because it makes me wonder why she didn’t sense it sooner.
And I think I’ve come around on Poe as undercover cop. Zorri does tell him “He’s not stupid enough to come back here.”
So… there likely will be a V5 at some point. It’d be silly to be hasty about it, though. I imagine waiting until all the Rey Nobody pieces are finished to Dom’s satisfaction and then release a final version of both at once.
The analytic part of my brain would feel better having that partitioned off, though, lol.
You’re right it’s not necessarily the case but I just want to put up the bowling bumpers around that for the audience. Something that says she learned or discovered the truth would be enough, not merely that she knew. Because that leaves it open to maybe she knew from the moment she first saw her.
“I did a postmortem reconnaissance mission and dropped a shitton of military intel on her, and told her about your grandpappy.”
I’ve been thinking about Leia and the conversation on Ach-To since it was brought up here recently. It really would be good to have some mention of Leia somehow, because the scene barrels right into a Leia-centric conversation. And the film honestly does work better (in a vacuum) when Leia is aware of Rey’s heritage throughout. What I don’t like is the implication that Leia and/or Luke knew during the events of TFA/TLJ. Asking the audience to watch those stories again and try believe that is a bridge too far.
What if we simply replaced “Leia knew it too” with “Leia learned the truth after my passing”? That way it doesn’t state Luke told her, but it’s implied.
If I’d presented it to myself 2 days after seeing TROS through the miracle of time travel, I’d hardly have believed it myself. I’m grateful for the enormous help and dedication of the core group and ancillary work and discussion throughout. Not just for the end result but the experience.
It seems a bit backwards to massage the film to mesh with prior EU material since EU material will already bear that out in time as it does. If we say Poe left to join the Republic, even if that helps things that have been published so far surely it’ll come into conflict with future EU material.
Nothing wrong with making the change because you prefer it that way, but current EU seems like an unusual motivation.
Sending you a PM.
JJB, you’re suggesting that we depict Poe as never having actually been a spice runner but doing so only undercover, and so he’d be taking our main characters back to a group he was working to betray all along? Seems foolhardy, even for him. I do like the Skywalker line, to contextualize what we are seeing going on there and add to that thread we tried to build up.
Certainly not going to promise a V5, but I will note these alternate lines for the moment, as well as Nev’s idea to mute lines for that shot.
It does seem like Rey and Kylo have a much larger reaction to Leia sensing/resolving what to do than they do when she actually does die. Kylo in particular when he stares off into space after collapsing, dejected; seems like he’s maybe just feeling that way because he himself is about to die.
Also the music repeats itself once, so I might see if there’s another cue to sub in that works.
Not sure the idea 100% works, but I’ll enjoy recreating the audio to the best of my ability when I get the chance to!
That must mean that beneath those shots in my timeline is a glowing red MEDIA MISSING thing.
I’ll get around to fixing that and re-exporting. Thank you for highlighting it.
All right, I’ll plan to do this next time I can.
Nev, if you can send me the elements used other than the film’s soundtrack I’d be happy to recreate it in 5.1. (And send the stereo mock-up.)
FE wants me to make a 5.1 mix,
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Yeah, you’re absolutely right about the Force ghost thing. I agree that Luke knowing things by virtue of being a ghost and passing these things along to the living should not be a reason for any decisions about changes to make or not make.
And Nev, that’s an interesting idea for a restructure. It’s a little unclear, but that might even make it slightly more interesting.
Yeah, if it were up to me to rewrite Star Wars from memory while taking liberties in a postapocalyptic context, that’s one thing I’d tweak. I think the Jedi ghosts should function with ambiguity so that even if you wanted to say they were imaginary it wouldn’t change the story. The two instances that sort of do this is Kenobi in ROTJ and Luke in TROS, as their ghosts reveal novel, technical information to the living characters. It’s one thing to have your mentor pop up and encourage you to use what you know or even piece something together from what you know, and another to pop up and reveal previously unknown intel.
But that’s moot for our purposes here. Even so, though, it would seem sorta dumb to me for Luke to just say, “Well when I died I snooped around and learned that you were Palpatine’s granddaughter and so I told Leia.” But you’re right; I can’t really imagine how else Leia would possibly have known!
Imagine if R2-D2 had been shot by stormtroopers on the Death Star while attempting to come aboard the Falcon, and so Kenobi allows himself to be killed. Then when they make it to the rebel base, he appears as a ghost to deliver his omniscient insight about how to coordinate an assault.
All this is to say that I just can’t make any sense out of the idea that Leia knew. And so I would rather Luke take a “so what?” approach, as if to say “I’ve been there, kid” and tell her it doesn’t mean anything. It’d be nice to include Leia in the scene to a greater extent, and what the scriptwriters did sort of makes sense in an immediate emotional way even though it causes confusion and muddies the story up to that point.
The dice died toward the end of TLJ though.
You can make a good case for it, JJB. And I’d much prefer what you describe over implying she was already aware of Rey being a Palpatine.
And, Nev, I most likely stupidly applied the LUT to the island sequence, save for the training flashback. Hopefully it ain’t too terribly bad.
About Leia knowing Rey was a Palpatine…
To me the idea just makes no sense. Even if books or comics explain it, it is a real headscratcher within the film series itself.
I don’t think it works to have a medium-sized revelation during the island scene about Leia knowing about Rey’s struggle or sense of darkness. We can see it on Leia’s face earlier in the film anyway. I think it is more effective for Luke to pierce Rey’s avoidance with a straightforward “So what?” about her being related to Palpatine. Not that Leia knew and didn’t care but that it doesn’t matter.