I don’t want to remove the dyad, but I’d prefer to change the line to “we’ve become a dyad” if it can sound seamless. Which I doubt. So if not it’ll just be left as is.
Wow, poppasketti, that looks amazing!
Sherlockpotter, your mock-up of that line isn’t too bad, but I don’t think we’ve got the raw material for stitching it together. It’s all right, though.
And to answer the question posed while I was typing, I don’t think that added line is a problem given the mask. I don’t think I’d ever have noticed anything if it wasn’t in the spotlight as an added line. I love that poppasketti augmented it with consonants from real Kylo dialogue.
Just thinking out loud here. The only problem I have with the dyad this is that without any explanation I am left to assume it’s basically what we’ve seen and heard about Kylo Ren and Rey’s connection from the previous two movies.
“There’s been an awakening… the dark side, and the light.”
“Darkness rises, and light to meet it. I warned my young apprentice that as he grew stronger his equal in the light wound rise.”
And especially given that we’re effectively told that for all practical purposes Snoke really does equal Palpatine, it seems baffling that the former is totally unfazed by this but for Palpatine it is an unforeseen (and hugely lucky) surprise.
It’s like “well yeah they’re a dyad. Snoke’s been saying that since the 2014 Thanksgiving TFA teaser trailer.” It’d be different if perhaps he reacted with “wow since dyads are so rare I didn’t know they could do THIS! AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA”
It’s just so silly! Other than that single, dumb moment it’d be easy to fix. Just lop off part of Kylo’s sentence. “My mother was the daughter of Vader, your father was the son of the Emperor. [What Palpatine doesn’t know is] we’re a dyad in the Force, Rey. Two that are one.”
How would it go to just lop off the only other mention of it?
“Stand together, die together!” (Gonna kill these fools) “Ack. The life force of your bond… [A dyad in the Force]. A power like life itself, unseen for generations.”
It’d be a little destructive, but ya wish it could work this way. Now I understand why they employ the story group full time, to spin this stuff to make sense.
Perhaps, if poppasketti feels up to trying it out!
It’s not a huge deal, though.
Yeah, I don’t think changing the dyad line is going to work. Neither instance of Kylo Ren (masked) saying “become” fit the sentence.
I agree with RogueLeader.
To me it would help give a reason (or reason-adjacent concept) why Palpatine seems surprised by something like that. The only thing that would stand out is Kylo saying “What girl?” in TFA but that’s pretty minor and could just be that he sensed her or whatever.
Hard to say if it’ll sound good but I’d be happy to try it out. May not be tonight though if I have to sleep on the couch with the sick widdle boy again.
Ooooh, that’d be good.
Probably, but I won’t for this project.
Yeah, I don’t see any downside to that. Happy to include any of that that Chase or anyone else is happy sith.
(Typo deliberate)
Good discussion, revisiting an idea from earlier. But I will leave the scene alone altogether. Anyone who desires to tinker with this should have an east time doing so.
One last observation is that the spice runner thing pays off Finn’s “how do you know how to do that?” line as Poe hot wires a speeder. It’s true we removed the other two links in the chain (due to the lightspeed skipping scene) but that one remains.
For Zorri and Rey, I see three options:
Leave it alone. Zorri recognizes Rey’s skill and gives her a nod of respect. Rey accepts her compliment and extends her hand. Going into the following scene, we understand Zorri has decided to help.
Rey owns the other crew members, presumably killing them all since we don’t see them again. She holds a gun to Zorri’s head, asking for her help. Zorri, who we imagine wouldn’t act out of cowardice, reluctantly admits her willingness to help by responding with just “okay.”
Rey owns the other crew members. She holds a gun to Zorri’s head, voicing her desire for help. She retracts her saber and extends her hand, assuming Zorri’s cooperation.
Make him a subtitled invisible character.
I wouldn’t worry about the scene feeling weird coming after Chewie’s supposed death, ala Ben Kenobi.
And while I’m mainly focused on the movies, I know the EU will pick up on and flesh out Poe’s backstory. So for our purposes here I really don’t mind. (It’s only an issue because of the EU anyway; live by the EU, die by the EU.)
As I said, the only part to the scene I’d be likely to change is Zorri’s line to Rey. I do like her response of “I care.” I’ll probably just leave this scene alone aside from the already-removed line and the crackly saber effect.
Once again I think you’re on the money, Jar Jar.
The only thing there that I’m inclined to agree with is the reverence paid to Rey by Zorri saying she thinks she’s okay. However, I recall fielding that idea dozens or hundreds of pages ago and someone convinced me not to for reasons I can’t recall. I think it was so that Zorri doesn’t appear to only help them out of a gunpoint threat.
Maybe Luke hallucinated a second Sun as he was dying from focusing so hard.
The novelization suggests that the Ach-To scene begins near dusk, continues overnight, and ends with the sunrise. If that can be realized well and without making the scene difficult to see, it could be a good way to imply a longer stay on the planet. Especially now that the 16-hour ticking clock has been removed. Yeah they’re in a hurry, but that specific element is gone.
RISE. Anyone feel up to the task? Obviously we will want to use jonh’s haircut footage once finalized, but the work done to the footage can be applied to this footage. This isn’t needed, but could be a nice alteration. I’d say better as subtle; I don’t want it to look like the theater’s bulb burned out. Just enough to convey the time of day using cinema parlance.
Well, we can see (one of) the Sun(s) coming up anyway as we pan over to Luke in that moment. It’s just not lit like it was pre-daybreak. Who knows with a binary system like that, I guess. Wonder if the novelization clarifies the time of day, not that it’d matter.
I’m not sold, but it would introduce a sunRISE.
It’d have to be subtle enough not to make the scene hard to see. The fire and everything would need to look bright.
Here’s sherlockpotter’s medal shot and placement in a full test, LUTs applied and everything else the way it will be in the final:
With AI voices getting better all the time…
“When I left you I was but the learner. But in some ways… a lotta ways… I’m really ahead of you.”
I’d also like to see a Shaw version as an alternate, as it really has merit. However, Hayden feels right for the moment because you know if they’d put ghosts in there they absolutely would’ve (and might’ve) shot Hayden for the scene.
However, Shaw would make sense as it seems the rule is that the Force ghosts appear as the age at which they died. Luke and Anakin have their injuries and missing body parts restored.
I don’t accept Hayden’a ghost for ROTJ because it just doesn’t belong there. It does here, and I’d probably stick with it but would love a Shaw version as an alternate. Now that I’ve got more Google drive space to work with perhaps I could host both to choose from.
A voice clip of Shaw would be a nice touch, I agree there too.
MR, you didn’t know Hal did prequel edits?
I’m not certain whether jonh is still planning to pursue a Shaw ghost, and he sort of pops up as he pleases once in a while.
I don’t have any preferences for the Luke figure, just whatever you can put together that looks feasible to have been made by those aliens. It doesn’t necessarily need to look as crude as the Canto Bight slave kids’ since this would have been made by adults for a show rather than duct taping trash to make a secret toy.