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Could we try generating a few tales of “Final lesson, Rey”?

Eh, doing that doesn’t seem to solve anything. Whether fear led him there but didn’t keep him or kept him there but didn’t lead him there seems to be splitting hairs.

I’d rather leave the line alone, but I appreciate the thought about it.

The focus should remain on Rey and not get too detailed about Luke. I don’t like him saying “I failed” in the present tense in TROS.

The existing line sets up his point well, in saying it’s what “kept him here” before Luke interrogates Rey’s misguided journey to that location.

I don’t know how to rephrase the existing line to retain the link to the location, lead naturally into a question of Rey’s fear, and change the implication about Luke.

In isolation, it wouldn’t be fair to characterize Luke’s reclusion to the island as due to straightforward fear. But in the context of the whole TROS Ach-To sequence, I don’t have a problem with this line. He’s making a point by picking up on a relevant factor from his own experience that mirrors Rey’s closely enough. Luke didn’t shut himself away due to fearing his raw power, but he did fear Ben’s. And perhaps that (but not only that) is enough to extend this question to her to relate and begin to pull her out of her slump.

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I don’t see a need to use AI voices for this project, especially since it ended up achieving its goals entirely without any. This project is complete, but I’m happy if anyone wishes to build on it wholly or in part.

Wow, what a flurry of activity in the last day and a half!

At least what I can tell over phone speaker, those sound pretty good,
JJB. For the flashback, Luke speaks at about the right pace, though he sort of rushes through “chose compassion over hatred.”

Couple quick thoughts to respond to holdups!

I don’t feel a need to tinker with “it was fear that kept me here” as it’s a natural lead-in to the point Luke wants to make. Even if we quibble about TLJ, it’s not untrue that fear was part of the equation for him.

I do not think it works to shoehorn in dialogue during the X-wing scene, so I’m not interested in pursuing that.

As far as “final lesson”… could we perhaps try a few variations on it, to see if it can fit in seamlessly? It’s tricker now that we’re keeping more of the conversation. Maybe “My final lesson, Rey:”?

And once we can get things right, I’d be happy to assemble an entire Ach-To sequence to present.

Thanks so much for all the effort and discussion. As has been the case for this project from the beginning, it would have been dead in the water if it weren’t for you. I can’t dedicate meaningful time to these projects any longer, but want to
make V5 worthy of its finality.

Also, JJB, can you send me the line “What’s troubling you, Rey” for Leia? I like it but I only have your test clip and not the line on its own.

Okay, I finally found some time to dig into this project a little. Here is the state of the flashback sequence.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VBFPUHnRAGrGfMWsUy5pnSo31u54SY0m/view?usp=drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kDmXzsVWWzbfOoC8DKCLNvfSex2wV3-I/view?usp=sharing

The delivery of “Leia sensed it as she trained you” could be better, and possibly the wording. Rey responds with, “She still trained me,” which sounds a little redundant.

I hate to lose the reference to Padme, but I think it flows better (and lets us get away with the alteration a little more cleanly) without it. 😕

Clever, and a good way to include a little of the mono mix, assuming that’s the source for the cleaner sound.

Not hurrying to do so, but yes. Letting it breathe, and intending for it to be branded as final. If you skim back through the thread you’ll find a list of what’s done and what’s not yet.

Not happening here, is the practical answer.

That is pretty cool! I already removed that whole scene though. IMHO the Death Star doesn’t need to be in the prequels at all, and I prefer to leave it purely as a product of the Empire, as though only they would even think to design such a thing.

We’ve got jackets. Sending you a PM.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

For one thing, the scene wouldn’t involve any mention of Kijimi in the way I envision it being cut. It would just be about how Palpatine is threatening the galaxy with a generic threat of destruction if they don’t stand down and Poe is acting general. But then the problem would be how it may be too short of a scene.

What makes you think the AI line wouldn’t work there? Just not enough space?

Oh, like they’re just hearing more Palpatine ranting over the radio? Not sure but I can take a look later and see about it. I don’t think it’s super necessary though.

The only relevant bit is about two seconds for a character to say, “Leia made you acting general.” I really do not want to re-include the scene because Ascendant has been better not to have had it.

I wish there was more room to maneuver but I wonder about an AI line for Poe as he starts to speak with the deceased Leia. “‘Acting general?’ I gotta tell you, I don’t really know how to do this…”

That almost certainly wouldn’t work effectively. But you do raise a good plot-related concern. If it can be alleviated another way I’m open to that, but not to reinstating the Kijimi sequence.

I still don’t see the point of reinstating that scene. At present we’re able to have a small stretch of the movie that is not too bombastic, focusing in on some character sequences.

Wild idea. The holograms in ANH were done by filming the footage displayed on a TV. Would… would that look good if you tried it that way?

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new clip, cool idea? or should it be left out?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LtisXHOaCNtUP6GF5UMT2AXSU_C-Wy_Q/view?usp=sharing
audio is still a wip

Always seemed like a solid idea, but I think this is the best execution that’s been done.

That scene was removed because Kijimi isn’t destroyed. I don’t see how that part could be kept without this.

And as far as a line, I’m not sure.

I agree that I’d have liked to see Luke haunt Kylo Ren in Ep9. But it doesn’t feel right to wedge in a sentence or two over voiceover. Luke is clearly introduced to us on Ach-To and by then there’s no Kylo Ren to haunt. I just don’t think it works.

And that scene sounds real good, JJB. Would it be too cheesy to use ‘love’ instead of compassion? It’s a little more tied into the friendship theme of this movie, and more of a direct lift from the DOTF script.

That all sounds great. And yes, I already have folded in the “come home” line. 😃

Any other opinions? Leia is implied to have discovered Rey’s lineage, and not being told how is a wash compared to the theatrical anyway. And we get to link Rey’s resolution to hold to compassion to Leia. Now Ach-To feels cohesive again. Thank you, JJB!

That new spy line is perfect, JJB! It’s actually really funny, and helps the following line about his “first laser battle” too.

Here is everything that remains incomplete or undecided about V5:

• We need a line for Luke to serve as something like, “Leia sensed it during your training” to impy Leia learned about Rey’s lineage somehow between films.

• Undetermined about a potential line for Kylo to suggest that the dagger “revealed” to Rey her parents’ fate at the hands of Ochi, to support our change for the dagger to be a mystical revelatory device rather than Rey sensing “horrible things” it has done.

That’s it, as far as I have kept track! It’s a very short list. I’m not in a rush, but whenever V5 can be complete, and it’ll take a while most likely for me to recompile everything, then it can happily sit there and wait for the ‘Rey Nobody’ components.

That sounds great!

JJB, I am finding that the “I appear to be some sort of spy” line takes just a little too long to fit into the moment properly.

Could we try a few alts for this one that are a little shorter? Maybe “Some sort of spy, I think” or something like that?

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