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The 1080p BR is encoded in h264 and you can use FFmpeg to convert it to an mp4 that Premiere can open with the command “ffmpeg -i inputfile.mkv -c:v copy outputfile.mp4”.

This won’t work so well for the 4K BR for two reasons: firstly, it’s h265 (10 bit) encoded, and secondly it’s in HDR. Tonemapping HDR down to SDR yourself is quite the headache - I must confess I tend to use someone else’s SDR tonemapped version of the film (available… elsewhere) instead. I usually then use FFmpeg to convert said SDR tonemapped 4K footage to DNxHR HQX for editing according to the details laid out here. You can also use fairly recent Handbrake versions (maybe only nightlies?) to convert h265 footage to lossless h264 for editing - set the quality slider to 0, level and things to auto, and make sure the resolution is set to 3840x2160 with no anamorphism or cropping - but this produces even bigger files. 4K video generally always gets even more huge as soon as you take it to any codec besides h265.

Of course, as demonstrated in Movies Remastered’s post above, the tone mapped 4K SDR footage isn’t quite identical to the 1080p footage because it’s essentially a different grade of the movie. I use Dre’s colour match tool to match the 4K footage to the 1080p footage if necessary.

FFmpeg isn’t so scary once you’ve used it a few times. It’s pretty difficult to screw anything up with your computer - mistyped commands almost always quickly throw an error message (fail fast!).

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RogueLeader said:

sherlockpotter said:

(I’m pretty sure the general idea originally was suggested by someone else. I can’t remember who, but I don’t think I’m clever enough to have thought of this on my own.)

https://streamable.com/gnkec6

Lol, I love the proof of concept. Can we just put this into an edit?

I’m pretty sure I was the person, or one of the people, who suggested that idea. I would probably have one shot of Kylo and Luke just having a stand off, and then in the second shot Kylo takes a swing at Luke, who ducks below the stage, and immediately pops up behind him, making the children laugh. This would be fairly easy to do, if I had a Kylo puppet. It’d be much easier to time this than the timing of that damn fireball! But I think people at the time had some good arguments for why it should be the AT-AT vs Luke rather than Kylo vs Luke. If there was enough demand for it, and Faraday had time to design a Kylo puppet, I wouldn’t mind putting something together.

That sounds fantastic! Way better than anything I could cobble together in 30 minutes of keyframing lol. The other really nice thing about doing a closeup of Kylo and Luke is that, it would probably be easy to made a puppet that looks like Kylo with his mask on, rather than “a guy with a blue stick” who looks like Luke. And I don’t mean that as an insult to Faraday - I think the Luke puppet looks perfect for the style of something these aliens would have made. But if “they” were trying to replicate a mask, rather than a human face, it would be easier for “them” to draw, you know?

So then, maybe ThisIsCreation could expand on the original voiceover a bit? Say, “jiajkvlw LUKE SKYWALKER hwaiofppp KYLO REN grhjailg.” Between seeing a Kylo Ren mask, and hearing the names, I feel like that should alleviate any confusion about what the puppet show is representing.

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Movies Remastered said:

RogueLeader said:

Funny that you mention this, because I went down the same rabbit hole with Handbrake and ffmpeg and I still have the same problem too!

Really? *Exhale! People have ripped on me for not using ffmpeg like it’s gonna fix all the problems but this doesn’t sound promising. I posted this a while ago and still haven’t found a solution. 😦

MR, your problem here might just be that your source is HDR (high dynamic range) rather than SDR (standard dynamic range). Regular, 1080p Blurays are usually SDR, whereas UHD Blurays are usually HDR. The HDR color encoding will look muted and washed out on a non-UHD compatible screen, and it probably won’t play well next to the SDR Bluray anyway. (I don’t claim to be an expert on any of this, so anyone can feel free to correct me.)

The clip I shared was actually from an 8-bit, SDR, 4K source, so hopefully it will match the 1080p colors more closely. I’ve also tried to convert it to MP4 for you, so hopefully I converted it correctly and it will work a little bit better: https://mega.nz/file/LkQXRQ4Q#RoVm_ytNAb8yVukbDvCCor-6mFgJKpysRIyPnC5NxIU

(Sorry about the video glitch in the first few seconds; it’s a byproduct of trimming the video in ffmpeg that I couldn’t get around, but it doesn’t affect the parts of the scene that are actually relevant to the puppet show. And again, for anyone who wants to use it, this will need the new LUTs to look correct next to the rest of the scene; I just converted the 4K source directly.)

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sherlockpotter said:

Like, okay, at this point, Rey is partway through her line “I am a Jedi.” The camera is doing a dramatic push in, the music score is rising up and crescendoing…to me, this pause is almost like Rey is “charging up” to unleash her final Jedi move on Palpatine. It’s a moment that should be building in hope and strength, not trying to tear Rey down more. So those “you’re nothing” whispers kind of work in opposition to what the scene seems to be trying to convey.

Hmm I get what you mean. The intention was to emphasize Rey embracing her identity as a Jedi (and, later, a Skywalker) by rejecting the labels people have given her all trilogy. It’s the make-or-break moment of the climax, and “All the Sith” are trying to wear her down while Sheev gloats. For me, it makes her triumphant moment stronger, because she’s not just pushing back physically, she’s pushing back against all that Sith “negging”

I get the idea of having Jedi encourage her instead, but:

  1. It’s way easier to record creepy random Sith voices than to get authentic impressions for famous Jedi.
  2. I feel like right up until she finishes her line, the music is still telling us “things don’t look so good”.
  3. She has the four Jedi behind her already, it would be weird to have them speak off-screen when we’ve just shown them appear.
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axlanian said:

sherlockpotter said:

Like, okay, at this point, Rey is partway through her line “I am a Jedi.” The camera is doing a dramatic push in, the music score is rising up and crescendoing…to me, this pause is almost like Rey is “charging up” to unleash her final Jedi move on Palpatine. It’s a moment that should be building in hope and strength, not trying to tear Rey down more. So those “you’re nothing” whispers kind of work in opposition to what the scene seems to be trying to convey.

Hmm I get what you mean. The intention was to emphasize Rey embracing her identity as a Jedi (and, later, a Skywalker) by rejecting the labels people have given her all trilogy. It’s the make-or-break moment of the climax, and “All the Sith” are trying to wear her down while Sheev gloats. For me, it makes her triumphant moment stronger, because she’s not just pushing back physically, she’s pushing back against all that Sith “negging”

I get the idea of having Jedi encourage her instead, but:

  1. It’s way easier to record creepy random Sith voices than to get authentic impressions for famous Jedi.
  2. I feel like right up until she finishes her line, the music is still telling us “things don’t look so good”.
  3. She has the four Jedi behind her already, it would be weird to have them speak off-screen when we’ve just shown them appear.

I totally get what you’re going for - obviously, my own personal reading of the scene is subjective. And I had the same technical concerns as you about incorporating the Jedi whispers. It’s just a bit like…whiplash to me, I guess? It almost undermines her line to me, to interrupt it.

“You’re nothing, nothing, nothing-I’m a Jedi-KERPOW-Wait what?”

What if there are Sith whispers in the background throughout Palp’s speech, and then one final whisper of “YOU’RE NOTHING.” Before Rey says, “I’m…”?

Granted, you had this idea to fill the pause a bit more, and this would then defeat that point…

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RogueLeader said:

CaptainFaraday said:

It’s so weird and wild seeing my puppet designs actually fabricated, put into motion, and put into the movie. I feel like I got to do the fun bit and RL did the hard work. I’m absolutely floored by the result, and I’m very proud to be part of it all.

I’m glad you’re happy with how it turned out! Honestly, your enthusiastic message offering to help with the puppets is what really gave me the push to do this. I would’ve been stuck on the puppet designs forever if wasn’t for you!

I’m really glad to have helped!

I’ll add my voice to the crowd saying it would be great to extend the shot.

Someone mentioned adding a Kylo Ren moment; I personally feel like “human figure and AT-AT” is easier to instantly understand what you’re looking at than “two human figures fighting,” even with Kylo’s mask and a possible voiceover. However, if adding it is the consensus, I can design a Kylo puppet in the same style. At the very least we’d then have the option.

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sherlockpotter said:

RogueLeader said:

sherlockpotter said:

(I’m pretty sure the general idea originally was suggested by someone else. I can’t remember who, but I don’t think I’m clever enough to have thought of this on my own.)

https://streamable.com/gnkec6

Lol, I love the proof of concept. Can we just put this into an edit?

I’m pretty sure I was the person, or one of the people, who suggested that idea. I would probably have one shot of Kylo and Luke just having a stand off, and then in the second shot Kylo takes a swing at Luke, who ducks below the stage, and immediately pops up behind him, making the children laugh. This would be fairly easy to do, if I had a Kylo puppet. It’d be much easier to time this than the timing of that damn fireball! But I think people at the time had some good arguments for why it should be the AT-AT vs Luke rather than Kylo vs Luke. If there was enough demand for it, and Faraday had time to design a Kylo puppet, I wouldn’t mind putting something together.

That sounds fantastic! Way better than anything I could cobble together in 30 minutes of keyframing lol. The other really nice thing about doing a closeup of Kylo and Luke is that, it would probably be easy to made a puppet that looks like Kylo with his mask on, rather than “a guy with a blue stick” who looks like Luke. And I don’t mean that as an insult to Faraday - I think the Luke puppet looks perfect for the style of something these aliens would have made. But if “they” were trying to replicate a mask, rather than a human face, it would be easier for “them” to draw, you know?

So then, maybe ThisIsCreation could expand on the original voiceover a bit? Say, “jiajkvlw LUKE SKYWALKER hwaiofppp KYLO REN grhjailg.” Between seeing a Kylo Ren mask, and hearing the names, I feel like that should alleviate any confusion about what the puppet show is representing.

I am down for that, if it goes ahead then it can be timed out so the real words hit exactly when they should.

Edit: I cannot believe how beautiful the design of the puppets are. The walkers have such an elegant design

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DominicCobb said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

I’ve mentioned this before, but I don’t really like the idea. I feel it’d take away the original point of the scene: to establish the stakes for the movie, hence Rey looking at the children - the future of the galaxy. Terrio even confirmed this in The Skywalker Legacy documentary. Now, it’d just be another reinforcement of Luke’s return on Crait and how it inspired hope.

Honestly man why are you even here. RL just spends all the time making this thing and you chime in with your usual bullshit. Just get the fuck out, don’t troll edit threads if all you’re gonna do every time is say that something is a bad idea.

So… refuting criticisms of a movie you guys don’t like is trolling or bullshitting?

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TestingOutTheTest said:

DominicCobb said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

I’ve mentioned this before, but I don’t really like the idea. I feel it’d take away the original point of the scene: to establish the stakes for the movie, hence Rey looking at the children - the future of the galaxy. Terrio even confirmed this in The Skywalker Legacy documentary. Now, it’d just be another reinforcement of Luke’s return on Crait and how it inspired hope.

Honestly man why are you even here. RL just spends all the time making this thing and you chime in with your usual bullshit. Just get the fuck out, don’t troll edit threads if all you’re gonna do every time is say that something is a bad idea.

So… refuting criticisms of a movie you guys don’t like is trolling or bullshitting?

No, but it means that THIS PARTICULAR EDIT clearly isn’t going to satisfy you, and therefore THIS PARTICULAR THREAD clearly isn’t worth your time. PLEASE do yourself and everyone in this thread a favour and take it somewhere else.

Please, make your own thread, outline your objections and support for TROS, and start generating ideas which align with YOUR goals.

Because this edit clearly doesn’t.

Be well, and kindly move on.

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While I was playing around with the two shot idea (I think it’s going to work!) I did notice that we do see the puppet stage from a side angle two more times after Rey kneels down to speak to the alien girl.

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The first one would be easy enough to crop, I think. I’m debating if that second shot is worth messing with. The yellow alien entering left of frame walks past it, so you only see the stage for two or three seconds. I could try covering the gold thing with the walker puppet, but you could argue they’ve had a set change since they started talking. What do you guys think?

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I dunno if anyone will be able to really see anything or can tell. I mean, those angles don’t show a whole lot … at least based on these angles. I would almost need to see it video form with the “new” scenes added in to see if it sticks out at all.

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RogueLeader said:

https://vimeo.com/553993952

Hmm… So, I’m not really a huge fan of this idea. However, it has sparked an idea for something else we could try for this scene.

What if we overlay the Sith whispers we’ve been using for all the dagger scenes over this entire exchange? It could fill in the gaps plus be a thematic thing in regards to Rey’s arc in this movie (one final Sith pull at the very end of her conflict) while also somewhat playing into Palp’s line about being all the Sith.

I would make a mockup of it but I don’t have the whispers sound effects. Preferably, I would use this clip to do my mockup of it (courtesy of Sade): https://streamable.com/fimixx

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TestingOutTheTest said:

So… refuting criticisms of a movie you guys don’t like is trolling or bullshitting?

wonders if the mods are watching so he can be blocked from this thread

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I really doubt anyone would ever notice, and it’s plausible it’s just another scene of their show by that point.

And about the Palpatine voices. I wonder if that’s just a little much to cram into the scene. I like it, but it could be confusing, resolving an ambiguous thing about Sith consciousness at the eleventh hour.

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RogueLeader said:

While I was playing around with the two shot idea (I think it’s going to work!) I did notice that we do see the puppet stage from a side angle two more times after Rey kneels down to speak to the alien girl.

The first one would be easy enough to crop, I think. I’m debating if that second shot is worth messing with. The yellow alien entering left of frame walks past it, so you only see the stage for two or three seconds. I could try covering the gold thing with the walker puppet, but you could argue they’ve had a set change since they started talking. What do you guys think?

Yeah I don’t think it’s worth putting any effort into those shots. This movie already has glaring continuity errors, and you would probably need to zoom in on those images to see anything. Even at that, I doubt anything would be there that would break the continuity much. Like someone else said, it could just be a new scene.

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Hal 9000 said:

I like it, but it could be confusing, resolving an ambiguous thing about Sith consciousness at the eleventh hour.

Sorry I guess I didn’t clarify. If you’re interested in exploring this idea of multiple voice layers for Palpatine like RL pitched, I would do it for all of his dialogue in the entire movie. Then editors could adjust levels however they like, or even do what RL suggested initially and only have the extra Sith voices come through occasionally.

I would essentially be supplying WAVs of each Sith voice separately so they could be mixed in as desired. Maybe sometimes you only want the whispery ones, maybe sometimes just the croaky ones, or the deep ones.

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RogueLeader said:

but you could argue they’ve had a set change since they started talking. What do you guys think?

It was talked about when Poppa and I were working on the clean plate. The first one is debatable but the second definately could be a set change. I can try to remove them if you’d like though.

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Movies Remastered said:

RogueLeader said:

but you could argue they’ve had a set change since they started talking. What do you guys think?

It was talked about when Poppa and I were working on the clean plate. The first one is debatable but the second definately could be a set change. I can try to remove them if you’d like though.

My two cents, the play is essentially “The Legend of Luke Skywalker” so it obviously ends at the last place anyone has ever seen him at.

Basically, I think just waiving it off as a scene change/play is ending and a new one has started is justifiable.

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This is not a general discussion thread on TROS. This is a fan edit thread of a specific editor. Fan edits are able to make changes to the movie that can change, modify or add to whatever scenes, messages, etc. discussion on changes/ideas that meet the editor’s goal of the edit is fine, but crapping on any and all changes because it makes modification to the movie is tiring. Also, it doesn’t help when such views are either presented as “fact” and other views are wrong or “they don’t understand.”

But back on topic I am still giddy about the puppet stuff … it’s so promising!

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