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The Last Jedi: Legendary (Released) — Page 47

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Looking at it in print, it feels weird to capitalize the name without capitalist JEDI MASTER, and capitalizing the whole thing is too much.

Only General Leia Organa’s band of Resistance fighters stand against the rising tyranny, certain that JEDI MASTER LUKE SKYWALKER will return and restore a spark of hope to the fight.

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I agree, capitalizing the whole thing is too much. I guess capitalizing only his name doesn’t bother me as much. Ah well, just wanted to hear your opinion.

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Hal 9000 said:

^ Eh, I wouldn’t want to count on changing TROS’s crawl, and to me it’s perfectly fine not to have CAPS. If there’s something to capitalize, great, and if not, that’s all right.

I’d say a couple of words for TRoS could be valuable to capitalize, such as REBELLION or HIDDEN POWER, heck, even FIRST ORDER and RESISTANCE would make more sense there, as the crawl actually sets up a different state for the galaxy, while TLJ’s is mostly recapitulating where we left off. I just thought since you’d already be reaching out to Sir Ridley, maybe you could knock two mynocks with one stone. It’d be an opportunity to do the change to “silencing” as well…

I also had a question about TFA’s crawl, but I’ll post that on it’s respective thread.

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Any particular reason why this edit doesn’t use Poppa’s Praetorian guard continuity fix?

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One of the guards in the end has a dagger that he could and should be using. His arm goes behind Rey’s torso and out of our view, and the dagger disappears when he brings his arm up into view. Weird CGI continuity mistake. The edit is removing the dagger from his hand to begin with, I believe.

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Oh, sweet! Thanks for that.

Poppa actually also edited the background fight between the guard and Rey, so she actually disarms him on camera.

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Hal 9000 said:

It does now!

Ha, it never ends for ol Hal. Will this one still be marked as v5?

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Yep, and I guess I just forgot to mention it here, go figure.

V5 changes: New crawl to better get across the impression that the First Order isn’t a huge brute force but are making surgical strikes to take over the galaxy’s existing governmental structure, and a few other tiny things like adding a shot or two back into the scene with Chewie and the porgs and using poppasketti’s hood for Rey’s reflection in the mirror.

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Those sound like some pretty good changes. I might have to make the swap from Rekindled to Legendary! I always preferred the Hux prank call here anyway.

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Legendary’s more conservative take has always been more my speed. The only big thing I really miss is Finn vs Phasma (Finn’s only “win” pre-9), but I get cutting it for pacing reasons at least, and it’s done cleanly enough with the deleted scenes and new special effects that it doesn’t hurt the cinematic experience. As opposed to, say, Rekindled’s handling of Finn & Rose on Crait, which is a terrific effort for a fan edit but doesn’t quite feel like something the theater would have shown.

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Hey Hal, thanks for bolding Luke Skywalker in the crawl! Didn’t know you actually went through with that idea because of the “Jedi Master” title coming before it.

It’s worth mentioning that the leaked Duel of the Fates crawl actually did a similar thing, with only “KYLO REN” being bolded in “Supreme Leader KYLO REN”. So it definitely has precedence, even though that isn’t really a canon source.

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I’m really not a fan of the change to Luke’s line but oh well, let the past die, slaughter it if you have to. It’s neat to see the new crawl, the first paragraph definitely sets the broader stage much better, similarly to Restructured. I do feel it’s odd to talk about “central star systems” in the crawl when they don’t really play a role in the movie, and I think that makes the sentence a tad too wordy.

I understand it’s done and dusted, though, just sharing my two cents. This edit might be my second favourite Star Wars movie and I’ve seen v4 so many times, I guess I’m just hesitant to further changes, specially to the Rey/Luke/Kylo stuff which is the best of the film.

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Am I crazy or am I seeing a lighter toned space shot switch to the darker space shot after the crawl in V5 ends. I think I can see like a faint flicker as it switches from fanedit to actual movie?

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Rey mentions to Luke that the FO will control “all the major systems within weeks.” That’s what I had in mind, anyway.

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Am I crazy or am I seeing a lighter toned space shot switch to the darker space shot after the crawl in V5 ends. I think I can see like a faint flicker as it switches from fanedit to actual movie?

Not that I can see when I look, but who knows. It’ll never match perfectly but I can’t tell anything. Sometimes the films do seem that way when the camera starts panning, as immediately background stars can be more visible.

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Burbin said:

I’m really not a fan of the change to Luke’s line but oh well, let the past die, slaughter it if you have to.

Kinda have to agree. I can still hear the w sound after “He’d vanished” so it sounds kinda wonky.

Plus, I kinda liked what the comics did to explain this. From Luke’s devastated perspective he might think those students joined up with him, but in reality they were just trying to avenge Luke.

Ah well, it’s fine.

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If there was any way to reinstate Lukes 3rd lesson to Rey that would go a long way as it tells us more about Lukes views of the jedi of old, but refs the caretakers so its a no go 🤔
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-He5_RtDE1o

“We Are What They Grow Beyond” - Yoda


My Prefered Saga Viewing Preference:
Ep. III - Revenge of the Sith Special Edition (StankPac Edit) * Rogue One - A Star Wars Story (Hal 9000 Edit)
Ep. IV - A New Hope D+77 (OohTeeDee Edit) * Ep. V - Empire Strikes Back D+80 (OohTeeDee Edit)
Ep. VI - Return of The Jedi OTD83 (OohTeeDee Edit) * Ep. VII - The Force Awakens Restructured (Hal 9000 Edit)
Ep. VIII - The Last Jedi Legendary (Hal 9000 Edit) * Ep. IX - The Rise of Skywalker Ascendant (Hal 9000 Edit)

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I’m actually trying to edit the two deleted caretaker scenes into this edit, Muffy. An additional benefit is that Luke’s changed line is reverted back to v4. Just trying to make the audio pops go away currently.

EDIT: Also, I realize Snoke’s line about destroying the whole island is missing in this edit with the idea of the caretakers not existing, but honestly I think that scene works better without that particular line to begin with. It just feels kinda clunky.

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I’ve got mixed feelings about that scene. It doesn’t really add brand new information regarding Luke’s motivations, it just lays them out a bit more obviously. It’s also yet another scene of subversion and comic relief in an already long movie that’s already packed with both.

More than either of those, though, it’s a bit odd tonally to imply that not only was Luke not alone in his exile (a big reason Hal removed the caretakers in the first place), but also that they had a monthly party while he was there. It only makes it look more like Luke is running away from his responsibilities for purely selfish reasons, when really his self-exile is supposed to be a form of tragic sacrifice (he’s determined that the Jedi only make things worse, so he’s carrying the burden of the religion to a lonely grave).

Also, just to nitpick, this is technically a continuation of the second lesson scene, not a third lesson. The third lesson never officially occurs, which I think is a deliberate decision on Rian Johnson’s part to leave things open to interpretation. Perhaps the third lesson is the one Rey has to learn for herself when she leaves, or the third lesson is one that Luke himself has to learn from Yoda, or maybe it’s when Luke returns to the light and teaches Rey and Kylo something with his sacrifice. Heck, with TROS, maybe the third lesson is literally when Rey returns to Ach-To and Luke gets to teach her one last time.

Anyway, if Hal decides to add that scene back in I won’t mind terribly, but I don’t think Rian was wrong for cutting it. Much like the alternate Phasma death scene, it’s arguable that it distracts more than it really adds.

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I don’t think Hal has any plans to add it lol

The only reason I’m interested in doing so is that in the original movie Luke’s criticisms of the Jedi are way too shallow. “This one specific Jedi trained and created Darth Vader”. Sure, whatever. I find it much more interesting to look at the idea of inaction vs. becoming too involved (the Clone Wars). And basically the idea that the right way to do things might be somewhere in the middle, and without the Jedi themselves involved.

I agree that the bathos in the scene is quite jarring in a film already full of it, but it’s something I may be willing to overlook.

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My initial thought was that either the scene goes back in or the Caretakers go out. That’s their reason for being and without it they’re an afterthought that has the effects outlined above.

The scene itself is good, but it has unfinished VFX. And I do agree it’s powerful to have Luke and Rey’s last interaction pre-fallout to be one where you think things are just about to improve and Luke will turn things around.

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It is a shame that modern Lucasfilm doesn’t finish the special effects on all their deleted scenes like they did for the prequels. Of course, after TROS, I guess we’re lucky we got any deleted scenes.

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The only unfinished VFX I could see was Rey floating across the water while she ran. Unless I’m missing something?

And tbh, TAS has much more obvious unfinished VFX in the background during the Obi-Wan/Mace Windu deleted scene. Doesn’t bother me much there, either.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

Burbin said:

I’m really not a fan of the change to Luke’s line but oh well, let the past die, slaughter it if you have to.

Kinda have to agree. I can still hear the w sound after “He’d vanished” so it sounds kinda wonky.

Plus, I kinda liked what the comics did to explain this. From Luke’s devastated perspective he might think those students joined up with him, but in reality they were just trying to avenge Luke.

Ah well, it’s fine.

I just listened to this line myself. I completely agree it definitely does sound too wonky in the edit.

But honestly, I… actually kinda am on board for this line change, lol. Ben now being alone literally and emotionally during this rage slaughter (using that mighty Skywalker blood) causes Luke telling the story to become even more heartbreaking and intense for me watching it just now. I like it. It makes Luke being so horrified in his failure that much more potent. I dunno, I kinda like it.

Were the dozen vanished students implied to be the Knights Of Ren? If so, I guess that is an issue. The explanation of what they are is extremely vague as is in the trilogy, so I dunno, might need this detail intact for them? Honestly don’t personally mind keeping them their own thing that Kylo creates (with the aid of Snoke or whatever) after this slaughter, lol.

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