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The Last Jedi: Legendary (Released) — Page 46

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I like that crawl. The middle paragraph could do with being split into multiple sentences to simplify it a bit, but the core of it is strong. I think the first paragraph is good.

“It’s like rhymetry. They poem.” - Leorge Gucas

TROS Novelisation: The Faraday Edit, TLJ: Stoic Edition, ROTS: The Faraday Nudge, ROTS Ultracut: Order 66, Kenobi: Faraday Cut, Godzilla Vs Megalon, Godzilla Vs Gigan, Godzilla: Final Wars, The Light Rises, Faraday Jr.'s Star Wars

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Made a quick edit of Hal’s:

Having decimated the New Republic capital, Supreme Leader Snoke presses his advantage to seize military control of the galaxy’s central star systems.

Failing to prevent the devastating Starkiller atrocity, General Leia Organa’s RESISTANCE fears that only the return of Jedi Master Luke Skywalker can restore a spark of hope to the fight.

But the Resistance has been exposed. As the First Order speeds toward the rebel base, the brave heroes mount a desperate escape…

The Skywalker Saga:
I · II · III · IV · V · VI · VII · VIII · IX
This is the way.

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Chaos engulfs the galaxy! Having decimated the New Republic’s capital and military, Supreme Leader Snoke presses his advantage to seize control of the galaxy’s central star systems.

In the wake of this disaster, General Leia Organa’s RESISTANCE fears that only the return of Jedi Master Luke Skywalker can restore a spark of hope to the fight.

But the Resistance has been exposed. As the First Order speeds toward the rebel base, the brave heroes mount a desperate escape…

“It’s like rhymetry. They poem.” - Leorge Gucas

TROS Novelisation: The Faraday Edit, TLJ: Stoic Edition, ROTS: The Faraday Nudge, ROTS Ultracut: Order 66, Kenobi: Faraday Cut, Godzilla Vs Megalon, Godzilla Vs Gigan, Godzilla: Final Wars, The Light Rises, Faraday Jr.'s Star Wars

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I like Faraday’s. My one suggestion is “Chaos reigns!” Instead of “Chaos engulfs the galaxy!” From what I recall the crawls that have an exclamatory sentence at the beginning are usually limited to a couple words, maybe three.

EDIT: Also, this could just be me, but literally every time I read the final paragraph of TLJ’s crawl I think the word “must” belongs before “mount”. For example - “As the First Order speeds toward the rebel base, the brave heroes must mount a desperate escape.”

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I do like where Faraday is heading with that revision.

If we’re gonna revise the crawl… I guess it’d only make sense to make the font for the title match TFA and TROS. I don’t really like the symbolic statement that makes, but it seems to make sense to do.

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Another thing I noticed: the middle paragraph is creating the insinuation that Luke’s return to the fight is something our heroes fear, which is definitely the opposite of how it should be. So how about the following instead.

In the wake of this disaster, General Leia Organa’s RESISTANCE fighters trust that the return of Jedi Master Luke Skywalker will restore a spark of hope to the fight.

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In the wake of this disaster, General Leia Organa’s RESISTANCE is desperate for the return of Jedi Master Luke Skywalker, certain that he can restore a spark of hope to their fight.

The Skywalker Saga:
I · II · III · IV · V · VI · VII · VIII · IX
This is the way.

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Yeah I like that better DZ. Sounds pretty similar to the original actually.

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Here is a take on CaptainFaraday’s using some of the other ideas posted, and just removing Snoke entirely (like TLJ does):

Chaos reigns! The New Republic
has been decimated. In the wake of
this terrible disaster, the treacherous
FIRST ORDER races to seize control
of the galaxy’s central star systems.

General Leia Organa’s RESISTANCE is
desperate for the return of Jedi Master
Luke Skywalker, certain that he can quell
the rising threat and restore a spark of
hope to their fight.

But the Resistance has been exposed.
As the First Order speeds toward
the rebel base, the brave heroes
mount a desperate escape…

The Skywalker Saga:
I · II · III · IV · V · VI · VII · VIII · IX
This is the way.

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I’ve been thinking a lot about our dissection of the events in the ST, which we were talking about earlier, and I’ve thought about a simple revision that would go a long way in better setting the stage for what we actually see in this movie, and better connect with both TFA and TRoS.

I think we can all agree that the biggest outlier is the bit about Snoke “deploying merciless legions” to take control of the galaxy, I think this single line is what has made a lot of people overestimate the power and reach the FO had, as it’s been misinterpreted to imply they just swiftly took over the whole galaxy immediately. However, as we discussed, that’s not what we actually see in the films.

Now here’s the simple change I propose:
“The First Order reigns. Having decimated the peaceful Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke now gathers his forces to seize military control of the galaxy.”

Now, instead of the immeasurable reach of Snoke’s “legions”, it’s implied that the First Order’s resources have a limit. Moreover, this helps to imlpy that the fleet that gives chase to the Resistance consist of a sizeable chunk of the Fist Order, most if not all of it, as Snoke was in the process of gathering everything he has to scheme a takeover (a takeover that hasn’t happened yet, as Rey says, it would be weeks before they take over the major systems, if left unopposed). The idea of Snoke gathering his forces also pairs perfectly with what we last saw of him in TFA, as the last thing he does is instruct for Hux and Kylo to regroup with him. And it also subtly implies that the destruction of the Starkiller did make a dent on the FO’s resources, as now they gotta “regroup and go back at em”, as Poe puts it.

So basically, Snoke is gathering his remaining forces, planing to take over. He believes there’s no one left to oppose him, as the Republic’s destroyed and he has sent Hux to “snuff out the Resistance once and for all”. But Hux fails, so now Snoke takes the fleet he’s amassed and personally launches an all-out attack on the Resistance to make sure they’re wiped out for good (while also manipulating Kylo to find Skywalker and thus end the last bit of hope in the galaxy).

Also, I don’t think “The First Order reigns” should be removed, I think that statment is key. Not only does it clearly establish the stakes, as the First Order is now the more powerful faction at play, but also establishing the idea of the First Order “reign” is absolutely key to Kylo’s character journey, as his whole plot in this movie revolves around overtaking the “reign” of the First Order, and his whole motivation in TRoS is about mantaining that “rule”. As I’ve said before, that statement was never meant to imply the FO already has control over the galaxy, and with the change I propose, it makes it clear that taking over is Snoke’s plan, but not something he has accomplished already.

As for the rest of the crawl, I think there’s a reason why it hadn’t been changed in all this time, and that’s because it’s pretty good, I don’t think it needs to be altered any further. It would’ve been nice if there had been some remains of the Republic show up in VIII and/or IX, but they don’t. You can imagine that there are remains of that government that the FO wants to take over, those planets that blew up can’t literally be all there was, but they don’t really play a role as far as what we actually see in the movies, so it seems pointless to try and clarify in the crawl that not all of the Republic was wiped out.

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I agree with Burbin’s take here. TLJ is maybe the only crawl outside of the OT that generally doesn’t leave the audience more confused than before they read it. If it is going to be changed to add a bit more polish/continuity, it should be done minimally, and Burbin’s revision gets the job done.

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I suspect Burbin is right. The existing crawl serves this film, and changing it too much feels contrived to suit other ancillary material.

Nevertheless, here’s another…

The First Order reigns. Having [removed all the peaceful Republic’s defenses], Supreme Leader Snoke gathers his remaining forces to seize control of the galaxy’s central solar systems.

Only General Leia Organa’s band of Resistance fighters stand against the rising tyranny, certain that Jedi Master Luke Skywalker will return and restore a spark of hope to the fight.

But the Resistance has been exposed. As the First Order speeds toward the rebel base, the brave heroes mount a desperate escape…

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Hal 9000 said:

I suspect Burbin is right. The existing crawl serves this film, and changing it too much feels contrived to suit other ancillary material.

Nevertheless, here’s another…

The First Order reigns. Having [removed all the peaceful Republic’s defenses], Supreme Leader Snoke gathers his remaining forces to seize control of the galaxy’s central solar systems.

Only General Leia Organa’s band of Resistance fighters stand against the rising tyranny, certain that Jedi Master Luke Skywalker will return and restore a spark of hope to the fight.

But the Resistance has been exposed. As the First Order speeds toward the rebel base, the brave heroes mount a desperate escape…

The First Order reigns. Having decimated the peaceful New Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke gathers his remaining forces to seize control of the galaxy’s central star systems.

(I also changed it to “star systems”, since that’s what they call them in the SW movies, and “solar system” refers specifically to the star Sol.)

“It’s like rhymetry. They poem.” - Leorge Gucas

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Tell that to the AOTC crawl.

If RJ was going to refer to star systems in this crawl I’d imagine he’d consider that way of doing so for that reason. Not a huge deal either way, of course. TPM’s crawl uses “star systems” so there’s precedent for both (but I didn’t remember that until looking it up just now.)

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Hal 9000 said:

Tell that to the AOTC crawl.

I had to look it up because I couldn’t believe it. George Lucas writing that has the same “focused on the story” chad energy as Peter Capaldi saying that he’d always wanted the role of Doctor Who.

“It’s like rhymetry. They poem.” - Leorge Gucas

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I rather like this crawl, then. The remaining two questions are whether to use ALL CAPS (at all or for two names that were already ALL CAPS in the prior film), and what font “The Last Jedi” should be (the font it used originally, which was used for ROTJ, the prequels, and possibly ANH or the one used by ESB, TFA, and TROS)? One thing to consider about the second is that for the eventual ‘Rey Nobody’ version of TROS: Ascendant I was hoping Ridley could reexport that crawl with the only different being that it would use the font used in TLJ, as a play on the difference between visions for the ST.

The FIRST ORDER reigns. Having decimated the peaceful New Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke gathers his remaining forces to seize control of the galaxy’s central star systems.

Only General Leia Organa’s band of RESISTANCE fighters stand against the rising tyranny, certain that Jedi Master Luke Skywalker will return and restore a spark of hope to the fight.

But the Resistance has been exposed. As the First Order speeds toward the rebel base, the brave heroes mount a desperate escape…

My stance on revising fan edits.

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If you do render this crawl with the ALL CAPS, can I please get a copy to use in my TLJ Stoic Edition edit? I frankly like it better than what I wrote.

“It’s like rhymetry. They poem.” - Leorge Gucas

TROS Novelisation: The Faraday Edit, TLJ: Stoic Edition, ROTS: The Faraday Nudge, ROTS Ultracut: Order 66, Kenobi: Faraday Cut, Godzilla Vs Megalon, Godzilla Vs Gigan, Godzilla: Final Wars, The Light Rises, Faraday Jr.'s Star Wars

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You had mentioned a while back on the Ascendant thread that you weren’t a fan of TFA and TLJ capitalizing the same two words, and also that you wanted one of your ST crawls to have no capital letters to mirror how it is in the OT. I’ve been thinking this would be a good chance to tackle both things.

I feel that TLJ’s crawl works the best as the one cap-less crawl in the trilogy, and also fits the best with the tone of the movie, not to mention it’s a more direct mirror to TESB in the OT. And this would open up the chance to get some capital letters on TRoS’s crawl, which, as I also mentioned a while back, would fit a lot better there for both the crawl and the movie’s tone.


Also, one final nitpick (sorry), but I think it’s more important to establish the FO is pursuing military control over the galaxy. It makes it clear they’re a militant group and not a proper government. And Rey would then be expanding on it by specifying they’ll take over the major systems, rather that just repeating what we already know from the crawl.

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Sure that’ll be made available regardless. I’ll take that as a vote for caps.

Also, isn’t it exactly what you wrote? lol

Nah, mine dicked around more talking about seizing key territories etc. This one says the same thing but with better phrasing.

“It’s like rhymetry. They poem.” - Leorge Gucas

TROS Novelisation: The Faraday Edit, TLJ: Stoic Edition, ROTS: The Faraday Nudge, ROTS Ultracut: Order 66, Kenobi: Faraday Cut, Godzilla Vs Megalon, Godzilla Vs Gigan, Godzilla: Final Wars, The Light Rises, Faraday Jr.'s Star Wars

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^ Eh, I wouldn’t want to count on changing TROS’s crawl, and to me it’s perfectly fine not to have CAPS. If there’s something to capitalize, great, and if not, that’s all right. One consideration is that TLJ capitalizing THE FIRST ORDER probably helps the fist sentence be presented all on one line nicely and without being spaced out too much. I’ll probably just respect how RJ had it.

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How would you feel about capitalizing Luke Skywalker instead of the two factions? TFA’s crawl already emphasizes the Resistance and First Order, so it seems somewhat repetitive here. And I’d say that Luke is at the heart of this story, really.