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Community Focus Thread 1: The Phantom Menace — Page 3

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EddieDean said:

I think this idea has legs. I don’t think it’d be too tricky to start - one could watch through TPM and Jar-Jar’s couple of other appearances, taking notes in a spreadsheet of each line, timestamped. You’ve then got that for quick reference to identify your available replacement sounds. Isolate those lines in a working project to create common source replacement words (“I’m”, “I”, “Me”, etc), then take each line in place and replace what you can to tidy it up whilst preserving the meaning, ideally against the video to check for acceptable lip-sync.

Man, I love the data analyst mentality you bring to this forum. For some reason the idea of putting that much work into trying to improve Jar Jar, 23 years after the movie came out, is equal amounts of ridiculous and totally something that we would do. Honestly, one of our first Community Focus edits being Jar Jar related feels totally appropriate, since he basically was the catalyst of the fan editing subculture.

I think that guy’s dub is one of the best out there, but if I personally had to pick, I think I would still try to improve the dialogue as it is, because a major dub like that would still stick out to me. But there’s nothing wrong with going in both directions! Especially if he is down to record dialogue for the entire film (if he hasn’t already done that).

In regards to frankenbyting Jar Jar’s lines, that’s something I could maybe play around with. I don’t have TPM with all of the audio tracks atm, but if someone could share at least the audio with me I could potentially play around with it and do something like Eddie suggested (whenever I actually have spare time).

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Yeah, personally I’d rather conservatively improve Jar Jar than replace him entirely, but there shouldn’t be any competition in this thread; it’s all about ideas and assets, not decisions.

Data analysis is always a great start. Got something to do? Start with a spreadsheet and break that shit down.

I honestly don’t think tweaking up Jar Jar’s voice would be that much work, so long as the voice track is isolated from the music. He can’t have more than 50 relevant lines, and I think a little would go a long way. If I wasn’t focused on Clone Wars I’d pick this up right away.

It’s just about starting it in the right way- get the source file into an editor, watch it through slowly, with each line add it to a spreadsheet and maybe also add a little text over the corner of the video including the timestamp (for ease of future editors replacing it). Video doesn’t need to be high quality as it’s just to help line it up and check lipsync. Cut everything else out, leave the master voice track present (as a source) but muted, make a new voice track to copy to for mucking about with, render. Ideally as two different audio tracks in case people want access to the source still to make their own changes.

I know actually getting the voice right might be a bit of a challenge but he’s so loose and goofy that it must be easier than most to at least get it better than it is.

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Regarding the other idea, about the Naboo invasion being enhanced, or showing the suffering of the Naboo people, the easiest way I can think of getting this idea across would be to add audio of off-screen skirmishes, or the sounds of people crying/wailing/etc.

I know snooker had added plumes of smoke in a night establishing shot of Theed, implying that the Trade Federation was quelling some resistance or rioting that was going on in the city.

You could have Naboo trying to fight back at the beginning of the invasion, but I feel like there really isn’t any footage that’s usable. I feel like video game footage would stick out. And I’ve seen people add explosions to the Theed occupation sequence, but I’ve never seen a version where the new effects didn’t look obvious.

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I liked that one that used the people getting shot at in Star Trek Insurrection. Kind of silly but it worked.

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I have two thoughts on how to fix Jar Jar, either redub him with new lines and a non-offensive voice, or replace him with a different character. I personally would go for the first option but I don’t have the skills.

I’m just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe.

Star Wars has 3 eras: The eras are 1977-1983(pre Expanded Universe), (1983-2014) expanded universe, or (2014- now) Disney-bought version. Each are valid.

Important voice tool:
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EddieDean said:

Vladius said:

I liked that one that used the people getting shot at in Star Trek Insurrection. Kind of silly but it worked.

Which edit was that, Vladius?

I’m pretty sure it was Yads’s Lone Gungan Edition. I haven’t seen it, but the description on fanedit.org says that it used invasion footage from multiple movies, including Star Trek Insurrection.

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EddieDean said:

Actually, screw it. I can see this task very clearly, I’ll pick it up. Editing Clone Wars needs a different type of free time, I can work on this Jar Jar voice idea without it distracting from it.

If you think it wouldn’t be too bad, that would be cool! Maybe you could play around with one or two lines just see if the idea will actually work.

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RogueLeader said:

EddieDean said:

Actually, screw it. I can see this task very clearly, I’ll pick it up. Editing Clone Wars needs a different type of free time, I can work on this Jar Jar voice idea without it distracting from it.

If you think it wouldn’t be too bad, that would be cool! Maybe you could play around with one or two lines just see if the idea will actually work.

Yeah, I’ll post a couple when I’ve had a play. Need to dig them all out first.

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EddieDean said:

Vladius said:

I liked that one that used the people getting shot at in Star Trek Insurrection. Kind of silly but it worked.

Which edit was that, Vladius?

I honestly don’t remember, sorry. It was many years ago.

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Right, here’s the in progress Jar Jar voice polish spreadsheet. Just all 108 of his lines in order so far, but now I’ll go through and grab the timecodes (I’ve got them highlighted in my editing software). Figured I’d post the sheet now in case anyone wants to pick out priority lines, or if they want to spot good sources to make key words like ‘I’m’, etc, or other replacements.

I’ll also mark the sources as dirty or clean in terms of background SFX (so we know if they’re usable), and add context. Once it’s in that state, whether or not I output anything decent, it should be a good resource for anyone else who wants to have a play around on their own - and if anyone makes a fixed line, I’ll add it in here too.

I haven’t added his lines AOTC or ROTS yet, can anyone pinpoint those?

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Hahaha, I can’t believe you did this, and so quickly…

I can’t give timecodes, but I think Jar Jar only has 3 scenes in AOTC.

  1. When Obi and Anakin reunite with Jar Jar and Padmé.
  2. Chancellor and Senators are debating what to do about the crisis near midpoint or end of act 2. I don’t think Jar Jar actually says anything here.
  3. Jar Jar gives emergency powers to the Supreme Chancellor.

In ROTS, all he says is “Excuse me” when all of the politicians came out to welcome the Chancellor back from being rescued.

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RogueLeader said:

Hahaha, I can’t believe you did this, and so quickly…

I can’t give timecodes, but I think Jar Jar only has 3 scenes in AOTC.

  1. When Obi and Anakin reunite with Jar Jar and Padmé.
  2. Chancellor and Senators are debating what to do about the crisis near midpoint or end of act 2. I don’t think Jar Jar actually says anything here.
  3. Jar Jar gives emergency powers to the Supreme Chancellor.

In ROTS, all he says is “Excuse me” when all of the politicians came out to welcome the Chancellor back from being rescued.

There is also the scene where Padme tells him to replace her in the senate while she’s in hiding.

“Vader! Hologram, now!”

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I suppose we should also consider his lines in the few episode of TCW he’s in (at least the ones that were Ahmed Best) if the goal is to have as much as possible to construct new words/phrases.

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evansj1983 said:

I suppose we should also consider his lines in the few episode of TCW he’s in (at least the ones that were Ahmed Best) if the goal is to have as much as possible to construct new words/phrases.

That’s a really good shout. Is anyone able to provide a list? (Could copy my spreadsheet to use as a template, then I’ll merge them?) I’ve watched those episodes to death for my edit, please don’t make me watch them again! 😉

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Damn, Eddie, that was fast!

Well, I’m motivated! I’ve just finished adding the time codes to the spreadsheet - no other info there yet though.

I’ve also just finished editing TPM down into just 18 minutes containing all of JarJar’s lines, all with a video timestamp. That’s rendering now and I’ll upload it soon. But it should give anyone who wants to edit JarJar’s voice the right tool to have all the sources, all the lines to change, and decent enough video to lipsync, that they can then extract their new audio from it in high quality to reinsert easily into their own edit. I’ve created that file in a way that I can easily fix it, add sources from the other movies, or other languages, so if anyone has any further needs from it let me know.

(Actually, it’s rendering as a huge file - does anyone know how to output from Sony/Magix Vegas at lower video? Or my best option to downscale the video easily after it’s done? I have a bunch of tools, I just don’t have any brain left.)

I haven’t edited any lines yet, because I’ve run out of sanity. But the tool will soon be available to anyone to make editing his voice easier. Democracy!

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https://gfycat.com/uncomfortablesecondbassethound

Here is the shot I was thinking about.

I would check out her thread, because she had quite a few ideas related to Phantom Menace. As far as getting the best quality versions of these shots, we might just have to message her. She’s not on here a lot but she pops around sometimes still.
Even if she doesn’t have all of these shots on her computer, it gives us an idea for potentially remaking them too.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Snookers-Assorted-Star-Wars-edit-ideas/id/73571

Also, send me a link to that video once you get it exported!

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Another idea I had would be to create new dialogue and redub Anakin and Padme in all three prequel films because it’s not great.

I’m just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe.

Star Wars has 3 eras: The eras are 1977-1983(pre Expanded Universe), (1983-2014) expanded universe, or (2014- now) Disney-bought version. Each are valid.

Important voice tool:
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1472151/action/topic#1472151

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EddieDean said:

I’ve also just finished editing TPM down into just 18 minutes containing all of JarJar’s lines

Why even bother continuing the thread when it’s already produced the perfect version of TPM?