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Why can’t we just make it golden in TFA instead?
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Who cares what Anthony Daniels thinks?
Anyway, if anyone were crazy enough to actually make his arm red in TLJ I’d use it too.
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Why can’t we just make it golden in TFA instead?
Using the new TikTok voice thing, make him say “I am instantly recognisable.”
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What if when Luke goes to visit Ben, Ben lights his lightsaber first? That could go a long way to fixing what people perceived as a betrayal of Luke’s character. Will it completely win over most of them? Probably not, but I think it could still help.
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What if when Luke goes to visit Ben, Ben lights his lightsaber first? That could go a long way to fixing what people perceived as a betrayal of Luke’s character. Will it completely win over most of them? Probably not, but I think it could still help.
How exactly would that work? Ben was asleep during the whole lightsaber-igniting affair. If you’re planning to have him wake up, ignite his lightsaber, and then show Luke’s “briefest moment of pure instinct”, that just sounds unnecessarily elaborate.
My personal favorite solution to the whole “Luke almost killed his nephew” thing is DonKamillo’s approach: Cut to black after Luke says “Snoke had already turned his heart”, and then cut to Ben looking at Luke (with the saber glow in his eyes removed). That way, it seems like Kylo saw Luke standing over him in his sleep and assumed the worst, allowing the whole Rashomon flashback thing to be kept in without Luke’s murderous instincts.
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What if when Luke goes to visit Ben, Ben lights his lightsaber first? That could go a long way to fixing what people perceived as a betrayal of Luke’s character. Will it completely win over most of them? Probably not, but I think it could still help.
How exactly would that work? Ben was asleep during the whole lightsaber-igniting affair. If you’re planning to have him wake up, ignite his lightsaber, and then show Luke’s “briefest moment of pure instinct”, that just sounds unnecessarily elaborate.
My personal favorite solution to the whole “Luke almost killed his nephew” thing is DonKamillo’s approach: Cut to black after Luke says “Snoke had already turned his heart”, and then cut to Ben looking at Luke (with the saber glow in his eyes removed). That way, it seems like Kylo saw Luke standing over him in his sleep and assumed the worst, allowing the whole Rashomon flashback thing to be kept in without Luke’s murderous instincts.
A middle way that I personally like best is SparkySywer’s version, which I’m using in my own edit. Luke looks at a sleeping Kylo and senses the darkness, ignites his lightsaber, and immediately deactivates it - then looks over at Kylo again to realise that he was awake the whole time, and heard it. Because he doesn’t stand there holding an ignited saber, it really does feel like the briefest moment of acting on pure instinct, and immediately coming to his senses.
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I like that. Got a link to the clip? I think he had to remove some saber glow in a shot iirc.
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Yeah, he did some very cool VFX work to remove the saber reflection from Kylo’s eyes. I’ll render a sample clip with my additional audio work tonight.
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Ooh this sounds great
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This is a rough test of Palpatine’s Unlimated Power of Red Sith Lighting. Bad thing, Leia’s Saber keeps turning Yellow lol. https://streamable.com/boxtfq I will admit though the rescoring for the most part (Yes I know some of the music doesn’t work) actually fits well.
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Has anyone considered using the “Shot That Launched A Thousand Modern Day Star Wars Discourses”? Which I of course mean is this: https://static0.gamerantimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Kylo-ren-trailer.jpg
I feel like the only two places in the trilogy you could use this shot would either be:
- During Rey’s Lightsaber Mind Trip in TFA
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- Used during one of the multiple Force Skype sessions/visions between Kylo and Rey in TROS. It could also fit really nicely in fan edits for this movie with the KYlo vs. Darth Vader scene a lot of people have added into the film.
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It could also go in one of the TROS Force visions, though I genuinely can’t remember now which of those are in the theatrical and which were added for Ascendant.
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You don’t think it could fit in the actual fight they have in that forest?
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Has anyone considered using the “Shot That Launched A Thousand Modern Day Star Wars Discourses”? Which I of course mean is this: https://static0.gamerantimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Kylo-ren-trailer.jpg
I feel like the only two places in the trilogy you could use this shot would either be:
- During Rey’s Lightsaber Mind Trip in TFA
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- Used during one of the multiple Force Skype sessions/visions between Kylo and Rey in TROS. It could also fit really nicely in fan edits for this movie with the KYlo vs. Darth Vader scene a lot of people have added into the film.
That is my favorite shot in the entire sequel trilogy and it wasn’t even in the film. lol
It does have me wondering if there are other alternate scenes/cut scenes from the trailers that could be useful. This is the only cut shot I can think of but I’ve never really taken a deep dive into those.
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You don’t think it could fit in the actual fight they have in that forest?
I don’t think so, Kylo has his cape/hood on in the trailer shot when it’s off in the actual movie. It is a pretty cool shot, but I’m pretty sure it was only filmed for the promo material.
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I’m wondering if it was supposed to be in the vision because Kylo has his hood and mask on there when he jumps in front of Rey from behind a tree. Obviously he didn’t have it in the actual fight.
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Stumbled across this old article yesterday and it reminded me that my initial opinions were very similar to this writer.
You can argue that Rey deflecting lightning back in Sidious’ face was her acting in self defense, but I still don’t think the execution is nowhere near as interesting or emotionally powerful as Luke’s act of non-violence at the end of Return of the Jedi.
This isn’t to downplay the amazing work done with adding the Force ghosts to the end of the film in Ascendant. It is a major improvement on the story the filmmakers decided to tell.
With Obi-Wan leaving Anakin for dead at the end of ROTS, and Luke sparing his father and throwing his weapon down, I can’t help but think that the natural climax of TROS would’ve been the Kylo Ren and Rey duel, where Rey almost kills, then chooses to heal, her mortal enemy. It would just be hard to accomplish that and still have a decent runtime.
Idk, I’m just curious if there is another way you could really spin the theatrical ending. Rey gets strength in hearing the voices of her new family/attachments, rather than the Jedi? Or the Jedi voices encourage her with different kind of advice?
Either way, you kind of just end the series with an old man’s face getting melted.
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Either way, you kind of just end the series with an old man’s face getting melted.
To be fair, the old man who was getting melted was the most evil person in the galaxy, so I don’t have much sympathy for him.
In general, I’m kind of glad TROS chose to eschew the whole “kill him and you’ll be just like him” trope. I get that it’s “part of the fabric of Star Wars” or whatever, but I’ve always thought it was stupid: Luke kills millions of underpaid, abused foot soldiers while everyone around him cheers, but the instant he meets someone who committed mass genocide it somehow becomes wrong to kill him? Despite all of TROS’s flaws, JJ realizing that idea is stupid is probably the best decision he ever made.
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Yeah, I see what you mean. It feels like a common trope where the hero kills faceless goons without remorse, but when it’s time to kill the big bad, who is arguably the most responsible for the Bad Stuff, the hero spares them.
Again, I know the idea is that Rey is defending herself by blocking the lightning, but it feels like she aggressively shoves it back in his face. Maybe the message you could get from that is that Rey’s anger, or desire to protect others using self defense, doesn’t define her or make her fall to the dark side. Maybe the idea being she is in control of her emotions, rather than just ignoring/purging them like the old Jedi ways.
I think something nice would be for Rey to end the story with some kind of boon. New knowledge or wisdom that will keep the new Jedi for repeating the same mistakes. But nothing is ever really brought up clearly regarding that, at least in TROS.
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I think something nice would be for Rey to end the story with some kind of boon. New knowledge or wisdom that will keep the new Jedi for repeating the same mistakes. But nothing is ever really brought up clearly regarding that, at least in TROS.
Yeah, that would certainly be nice. If JJ actually cared about building on TLJ, he probably would have had the main lesson be something along the lines of “Injustice is wrong, but hesitating to fight injustice because of an outdated dogma is just as wrong.” Trevorrow’s Duel of the Fates script went too far with the whole “Grey Jedi” thing, but I think he was on the right track. However, JJ didn’t really care about building on TLJ, so he just ended on the exact same message ROTJ ended on. It would be pretty hard to change that in a fanedit though.
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Either way, you kind of just end the series with an old man’s face getting melted.
To be fair, the old man who was getting melted was the most evil person in the galaxy, so I don’t have much sympathy for him.
In general, I’m kind of glad TROS chose to eschew the whole “kill him and you’ll be just like him” trope. I get that it’s “part of the fabric of Star Wars” or whatever, but I’ve always thought it was stupid: Luke kills millions of underpaid, abused foot soldiers while everyone around him cheers, but the instant he meets someone who committed mass genocide it somehow becomes wrong to kill him? Despite all of TROS’s flaws, JJ realizing that idea is stupid is probably the best decision he ever made.
It’s not stupid. It’s because Luke would be acting in anger and doing exactly what the Emperor wanted, turning to the dark side in the process. The Force and the dark side have supernatural influence over the situation in a way that they don’t in a normal battle scene. The conflict is a primarily spiritual one and has nothing to do with the outcome of the Battle of Endor. “Soon I’ll be dead, and you with me.” That’s one of the Emperor’s temptations, to goad Luke into thinking he can reverse the losing battle, or take revenge, if he just works up the nerve to kill him.
Luke wasn’t going there to take out the enemy military leader or something like that (such as Obi Wan vs. Grievous.) If he was, it would be a sticky ethical question like it is at multiple times in Revenge of the Sith (such as executing Count Dooku and Mace Windu getting ready to execute Palpatine.) But that’s just not why Luke was there, it wasn’t about that.
Since the Empire is already built and the damage is already done, Palpatine is really only an old man who can shoot lightning bolts (and none of the rebels knew the second part.) It’s not Luke’s responsibility to carry out punishment. The Death Star and the Emperor are going to get blown up anyway, and he’s on a personal quest to confront/redeem his father.
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What’s more, TROS doesn’t actually change that or abandon it. Palpatine repeats the same stuff he says to Luke, to Rey, “strike me down.” They copy the part where he directs Luke/Rey to look at the battle going on (after this was already copied in TLJ.) They just ignore what he said or justify it by making it so she reflects his own attack back at him, like Mace Windu does.
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I can’t help but think that the natural climax of TROS would’ve been the Kylo Ren and Rey duel, where Rey almost kills, then chooses to heal, her mortal enemy.
I take it you’re referring to the Death Star ruins duel? It’s an important scene, yes, but it doesn’t wrap up the story. You need Exegol for that. And if we’re going for parallels, RotJ didn’t just end when Vader killed Palpatine, they still had to blow up the Death Star. Is it as emotionally impactful? No, but it’s still a necessary resolution. The same goes for Exegol. The way I see it, the trilogy’s arc of Rey and Kylo wraps up when Kylo throws away the saber and Exegol is a sort of victory lap.
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Do you just mean Exegol in general? Because I think an edit that made the Kylo and Rey duel the climax would be intercut with the battle of Exegol, but it would just be focused on the Resistance stopping the fleet rather than anything to do with Palpatine. At least that’s how I see it playing out. Joshuabri’s edit goes for this idea.
Again, not arguing that it’s a radical change, this is the radical redux thread after all.
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Do you just mean Exegol in general? Because I think an edit that made the Kylo and Rey duel the climax would be intercut with the battle of Exegol, but it would just be focused on the Resistance stopping the fleet rather than anything to do with Palpatine. At least that’s how I see it playing out. Joshuabri’s edit goes for this idea.
Again, not arguing that it’s a radical change, this is the radical redux thread after all.
I haven’t watched Joshuabri’s edit yet. But honestly, I really love the idea of one of these films’ climaxes taking place in the span of lightyears away from one another.