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Jar Jar Bricks said:

Poppa’s edit actually doesn’t remove it, I’m pretty sure. I had to go in and remove it myself. Was pretty easy to do it seamlessly, though.

Would @Poppa consider a V3.1 with any potential changes needed in TLJ to make TROS a more coherent-ish story?

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Has anyone here heard back from jonh? I feel like it’s been quite a while. I would love for him to export V3 of his Force ghost sequence to us.

Also, I was thinking of giving Luke’s line, “Leia told me she had sensed the birth of her son” a try using the same process they used to get Alec Guinness to say “Rey.” I’ll look through Mark Hamill’s career in voice acting to see if there’s a plausible way to do so.

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.

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Can someone help explain to me why “Leia told me she had sensed the birth of her son” is an improvement? To me, having someone close to you die is more of a reason to cease and desist than having a child being born. Can a mom not be a Jedi too?

Not trying to be rude, I’m just curious how this line change is viewed as an improvement?

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DZ-330 said:

Can someone help explain to me why “Leia told me she had sensed the birth of her son” is an improvement? To me, having someone close to you die is more of a reason to cease and desist than having a child being born. Can a mom not be a Jedi too?

Not trying to be rude, I’m just curious how this line change is viewed as an improvement?

Because during the flashback where Luke was training her, the twins were still young, and it is very likely that Ben had not been born at that point. By having Leia end her Jedi training to focus on being a mother, it would make sense to lay down her lessons from Luke. It also makes it seem Ben chose to die rather than it being destined to be.

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.

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Neither is perfect, but (to some people, myself included) the choice to leave the Jedi path to focus on raising a child is more intuitively understandable as a choice a parent might make in the real world (even if making the opposite choice would also be valid) than choosing to leave to prevent her son from dying when she leaves the Jedi path and her son dies anyway.

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Cadavra said:

Neither is ideal, but (to some people, myself included) the choice to leave the Jedi path to focus on raising a child is more intuitively understandable than choosing to leave to prevent her son from dying when she leaves the Jedi path and her son dies anyway.

Yep. It’s at least “better” than the original line with this rationale.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Master Lawdog said:

Because during the flashback where Luke was training her, the twins were still young, and it is very likely that Ben had not been born at that point. By having Leia end her Jedi training to focus on being a mother, it would make sense to lay down her lessons from Luke. It also makes it seem Ben chose to die rather than it being destined to be.

What if…

Luke: “It was the last night of her training. Leia told me that she had sensed the death of her son at the end of her Jedi path. She surrendered her saber to me and said that one day… it would be picked up again… by someone who would finish her journey. We’ll always be with you, but this is your fight.”

Leia quits being a Jedi, because as it has been explained numerous times, she never wanted to be one. Leia wanted to focus on politics and then dumped her son on Luke later on to train. What if we just make that line about Leia realizing that, being a Jedi is not for her, and someone else would eventually take her spot. In my opinion, it makes her taking on Rey as a trainee even stronger as she believes Rey would be her successor as a Jedi. Just food for thought!

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This is the way.

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DZ-330 said:

Master Lawdog said:

Because during the flashback where Luke was training her, the twins were still young, and it is very likely that Ben had not been born at that point. By having Leia end her Jedi training to focus on being a mother, it would make sense to lay down her lessons from Luke. It also makes it seem Ben chose to die rather than it being destined to be.

What if…

Luke: “It was the last night of her training. Leia told me that she had sensed the death of her son at the end of her Jedi path. She surrendered her saber to me and said that one day… it would be picked up again… by someone who would finish her journey. We’ll always be with you, but this is your fight.”

Leia quits being a Jedi, because as it has been explained numerous times, she never wanted to be one. Leia wanted to focus on politics and then dumped her son on Luke later on to train. What if we just make that line about Leia realizing that, being a Jedi is not for her, and someone else would eventually take her spot. In my opinion, it makes her taking on Rey as a trainee even stronger as she believes Rey would be her successor as a Jedi. Just food for thought!

You know what, that could actually work.

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.

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DZ-330 said:

Master Lawdog said:

Because during the flashback where Luke was training her, the twins were still young, and it is very likely that Ben had not been born at that point. By having Leia end her Jedi training to focus on being a mother, it would make sense to lay down her lessons from Luke. It also makes it seem Ben chose to die rather than it being destined to be.

What if…

Luke: “It was the last night of her training. Leia told me that she had sensed the death of her son at the end of her Jedi path. She surrendered her saber to me and said that one day… it would be picked up again… by someone who would finish her journey. We’ll always be with you, but this is your fight.”

Leia quits being a Jedi, because as it has been explained numerous times, she never wanted to be one. Leia wanted to focus on politics and then dumped her son on Luke later on to train. What if we just make that line about Leia realizing that, being a Jedi is not for her, and someone else would eventually take her spot. In my opinion, it makes her taking on Rey as a trainee even stronger as she believes Rey would be her successor as a Jedi. Just food for thought!

I had suggested that a while back - I’m pretty sure I even did a mock-up of it - the last I heard Hal was on the fence about it though.

Hal, any thoughts? I can dig through my files and reupload it later if you want to see it again.

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Sensed the end of her Jedi path… DZ-330 and sherlockpotter, a very simple, elegant solution that works well! Sometimes the answer is right there ready to bite.

heil Palpatine!

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Master Lawdog said:

Has anyone here heard back from jonh? I feel like it’s been quite a while. I would love for him to export V3 of his Force ghost sequence to us.

Bump. Also wondering this question too. Does anyone happen to have a ProRes version of his force ghost V3, or should i ask did he share it with anyone?

thanks

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I think jonh has not been seen since presenting that clip, but had said he’ll provide the footage at some point. Should be easy to slot in once he does.

I still don’t have strong feelings about the “death of her son,” though I feel that truncating it to merely “sensed the end of her Jedi path” isn’t something I want to do. I’m probably going to leave it as is.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Okay, I think there might be a way to do it. I’m not the best at this, but I looked at Luke’s lines in The Last Jedi. I took the word “burn” from “I’m going to burn it all down” and “myth” from “But if your strip away the myth and look at their deeds, the legacy of the Jedi is failure.”

If someone can try smoothening this out, we could get “birth” in there somewhere.

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It’s just a very dull concept, “Leia sensed the death of her son so she left her Jedi path, but she said that one day someone would come to complete her son’s destiny to die”. It’s so clunky, and it’s an odd thing to introduce near the end of the final film, where there was no previous notion that Leia had any sort of premonition of her son’s fate, she even said “I know my son is gone” in the last film.

That’s why people considered changing it to ‘birth’ to make things simple. But I think it’s a lot more fitting if Leia simply sensed she was not meant to be a Jedi, it fits better with the Leia we see in the previous films. Luke is talking to Rey about the “destiny of a Jedi”, so it’s fitting to juxtapose that with Leia sensing it wasn’t her destiny to be a Jedi.

It makes more sense if the “journey” Rey has to finish is strictly centered on being a Jedi (the center of her character journey and her main struggle in this film). Adding “oh and also Ben will die when you pick up her journey” just muddles things to the point that’s the one thing people take out of that scene. Shifting the focus of Leia’s path solely on ‘being a Jedi’ also fits pretty nicely with the line change to “I’m a Jedi” on Exegol, which would be followed by the sabers “fizzling out”, finishing their journey.

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I agree, nicely put burbin.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Agree with Burbin on this. Should just be “sensed the end of her Jedi path”. No need to tie it up in Ben.

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Sentence mixing it in my head, it doesn’t seem like it’d sound natural. There ought to be emphasis somewhere in the sentence, like “Leia told me she sensed the end of her Jedi path.”

My stance on revising fan edits.

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DZ-330 said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Poppa’s edit actually doesn’t remove it, I’m pretty sure. I had to go in and remove it myself. Was pretty easy to do it seamlessly, though.

Would @Poppa consider a V3.1 with any potential changes needed in TLJ to make TROS a more coherent-ish story?

I don’t think I’m going to be able to make any new iterations anytime soon, but I think the V3 (especially the “Palpatine” version) is intended to make those adjustments.

I kept the line about Rey’s parents because I felt it was too important for the scene.

It’s a little hard to explain, but basically “You’re nothing… but not to me” is my favorite line in the film. It’s a seductive line from Kylo, telling Rey exactly what she has been dying to hear. It’s truly tempting.

For me, this only works if Kylo is twisting the knife about her parents, and just the idea that “they were nobody” doesn’t cut it for me. It makes it seem like Rey wants to be important or from some kind of noble family, when really she just wants to be loved.

So, whether Kylo is lying, or he saw visions distorted by Snoke…etc. I’d rather have the retcon in TROS than mess with a key moment in TLJ.

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Fair enough. Plus we know Kylo didn’t see the whole truth. Headcanon is that he made that up to help twist the knife some.

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Well put @Burbin 👏

Hopefully this can be realized in this cut of the film.

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If anyone is still interested in my attempt, I’m not the best editor in terms of manipulation to audio, but I took Luke’s line, “I’m going to burn it all down,” took “burn” and cut off the last part to mix it in with the “th” part in “death of her son.”

I just updated my editing software, and it will take some getting used to. Sorry about that late reply.

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This is probably not possible but rearranging the sentence makes it sound better:

“Leia told me she sensed her Jedi path was at an end”

After being beaten and battered by prequel hate, I promise not to be that to the next generation.