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DZ-330 said:

But the problem with that statement is that this is a sequel in a very disjointed trilogy, and any connections to help make it feel more connected should be a welcome change.

Not only is it a sequel in a trilogy. It’s also the final chapter in a nine film series.

Plus, like others have stated, you can still have Rey be all Helen Lovejoy about the stakes while also tying back and using iconography from the previous movie to hammer that point home.

Anyways, that is some amazing work you guys! I agree with Sherlock though about re-structuring to have it so Rey turns at the mention of Skywalker plus maybe extending the shot a little with a close-up of the show.

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RogueLeader said:

Here is the puppet show! It’s very short, but hopefully people will think it’s worth all of the effort. I’m sure I’ll need to tweak it some more, so I’m just gonna share a streamable link until it’s finalized.

https://streamable.com/h1f3ot

Also wanted to note who all contributed to this very small edit.
I may be wrong, but I believe DZ-330, Cinefy and DominicCobb all had this idea at one point or another.
Proof of Concept by Cinefy
Clean Stage Plates by poppasketti and MoviesRemastered
Puppet Designs by Captain Faraday
Alien Dub by ThisIsCreation
Produced by RogueLeader

Rogue, this is fantastic, and truly gives the ending of the movie more meaning.

Testing is definitely allowed to have his own opinion, but I think the rest of us can agree that this is a fantastic addition to the film. Truly mind-blowing that this wasn’t the way the scene played out originally.

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I showed the scene to my girlfriend who wasn’t clued-in beforehand, and it took three playthroughs before she figured out what was happening.

So I think we should definitely look at slowing it down a bit, though even if it was unchanged it would still be a dramatic improvement to the film.

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Watching the scene again, I think it would work to simply duplicate the theater shots, and put one after the establishing shot of the children that shows Luke simply facing the AT-AT, then show the closeup of the children looking in rapt attention, then the existing shot of Luke deflecting the fire followed by the children laughing.

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BrotherOfSasquatch said:

I honestly really love subtle little edits like this.

Since Hal wasn’t able to hear it, I tried making it a little bit more apparent; for me the sound makes it feel like were really hearing Palpatine’s inner Sith spirit screaming out. George gave Palpatine monster like groans in Episode III after he’s electrocuted to make him seem more creature like / less human.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702816288342278207/845867790724235304/Sith_scream.mp4

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NeverarGreat said:

I showed the scene to my girlfriend who wasn’t clued-in beforehand, and it took three playthroughs before she figured out what was happening.

So I think we should definitely look at slowing it down a bit, though even if it was unchanged it would still be a dramatic improvement to the film.

NeverarGreat said:

Watching the scene again, I think it would work to simply duplicate the theater shots, and put one after the establishing shot of the children that shows Luke simply facing the AT-AT, then show the closeup of the children looking in rapt attention, then the existing shot of Luke deflecting the fire followed by the children laughing.

I appreciate you showing it to her! I always like to think of the hypothetical first-time viewer when making certain edits, so it’s great to get that perspective.

And that idea is sorta what I have been thinking. Maybe I could slightly scale the shot up so it looks slightly different (or scale up the fireball shot), but as far as the action goes, just have Luke and the AT-AT literally just standing there. At the very least, Luke could step forward a little or something. But the important thing is that the minimal-to-no action might help the audience register what the puppets are. Because in the fireball shot, your eyes just sort of follow the action of the puppets, rather than focusing on the puppets themselves. If that makes sense.

And I’ll also make it clearer that Rey is reacting to hearing “Skywalker”.

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This is impressive, most impressive. I would like to see the idea based on the feedback from Nev since it is true, it is quick and would be lost on those who are not crazy obsessive people like us on the thread.

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DZ-330 said:

I don’t think subtitles are needed since they aren’t talking with the main characters.

subtitles for the audience to see… because im saying from an audience viewing this, it happens so fast, its a blink or miss it. because the puppet scene is a very clever way to show that the galaxy is aware of luke’s reignition of hope in the galaxy. just the scene happens so quick unless your eyes are glued to the screen to the last frame, it’ll hardly be noticed. but whatever, it aint my clip so not my say.

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RogueLeader said:

Here is the puppet show! It’s very short, but hopefully people will think it’s worth all of the effort. I’m sure I’ll need to tweak it some more, so I’m just gonna share a streamable link until it’s finalized.

https://streamable.com/h1f3ot

Also wanted to note who all contributed to this very small edit.
I may be wrong, but I believe DZ-330, Cinefy and DominicCobb all had this idea at one point or another.
Proof of Concept by Cinefy
Clean Stage Plates by poppasketti and MoviesRemastered
Puppet Designs by Captain Faraday
Alien Dub by ThisIsCreation
Produced by RogueLeader

God fuckin damn, everyone pack it up… nothing’s gonna top this. Amazing work.

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RogueLeader said:

Here is the puppet show! It’s very short, but hopefully people will think it’s worth all of the effort. I’m sure I’ll need to tweak it some more, so I’m just gonna share a streamable link until it’s finalized.

https://streamable.com/h1f3ot

Also wanted to note who all contributed to this very small edit.
I may be wrong, but I believe DZ-330, Cinefy and DominicCobb all had this idea at one point or another.
Proof of Concept by Cinefy
Clean Stage Plates by poppasketti and MoviesRemastered
Puppet Designs by Captain Faraday
Alien Dub by ThisIsCreation
Produced by RogueLeader

I have to say you gave that puppet show a much more meaningful meaning at least to me. Star Wars is something most people 1st watch as kids. The kids seeing a Star Wars event though it’s in their reality and they’re enjoying it and laughing gives it a meta feeling in a way. The movies are suppose to bring Joy, Hope, life lessons, stories of good vs evil. That’s the way I take it and I really enjoy it.

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TestingOutTheTest said:

I’ve mentioned this before, but I don’t really like the idea. I feel it’d take away the original point of the scene: to establish the stakes for the movie, hence Rey looking at the children - the future of the galaxy. Terrio even confirmed this in The Skywalker Legacy documentary. Now, it’d just be another reinforcement of Luke’s return on Crait and how it inspired hope.

Honestly man why are you even here. RL just spends all the time making this thing and you chime in with your usual bullshit. Just get the fuck out, don’t troll edit threads if all you’re gonna do every time is say that something is a bad idea.

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ZaneFlare92 said:
I have to say you gave that puppet show a much more meaningful meaning at least to me. Star Wars is something most people 1st watch as kids. The kids seeing a Star Wars event though it’s in their reality and they’re enjoying it and laughing gives it a meta feeling in a way. The movies are suppose to bring Joy, Hope, life lessons, stories of good vs evil. That’s the way I take it and I really enjoy it.

I also love how it metafictionally parrots ROTJ as well with how C-3P0 was telling the Ewoks about the adventures him and the rest of the gang went on. The legacy lives on. And the Force will be with this universe, always.

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DominicCobb said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

I’ve mentioned this before, but I don’t really like the idea. I feel it’d take away the original point of the scene: to establish the stakes for the movie, hence Rey looking at the children - the future of the galaxy. Terrio even confirmed this in The Skywalker Legacy documentary. Now, it’d just be another reinforcement of Luke’s return on Crait and how it inspired hope.

Honestly man why are you even here. RL just spends all the time making this thing and you chime in with your usual bullshit. Just get the fuck out, don’t troll edit threads if all you’re gonna do every time is say that something is a bad idea.

The only thing he seems to be Testing lately is your patience. lmao.

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So this is a really bad example of a potential way to clarify everything. Stretches the scene, and makes the Last Jedi callback more overt. Doing it successfully would depend on A) The resolution of the stage clean plate. (Here, I zoomed in on a 4K source, but if the clean plate is only 1080p already, it would probably look too fuzzy.) And B) How much more RogueLeader wants to suffer for his craft in terms of doing more puppetry. (In no way am I saying you “have” to do this, RL.)

Welcome to the Star Wars fandom, ladies and gentlemen. Today, we play with puppets.

(I’m pretty sure the general idea originally was suggested by someone else. I can’t remember who, but I don’t think I’m clever enough to have thought of this on my own.)

https://streamable.com/gnkec6

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RogueLeader said:

NeverarGreat said:

I showed the scene to my girlfriend who wasn’t clued-in beforehand, and it took three playthroughs before she figured out what was happening.

So I think we should definitely look at slowing it down a bit, though even if it was unchanged it would still be a dramatic improvement to the film.

NeverarGreat said:

Watching the scene again, I think it would work to simply duplicate the theater shots, and put one after the establishing shot of the children that shows Luke simply facing the AT-AT, then show the closeup of the children looking in rapt attention, then the existing shot of Luke deflecting the fire followed by the children laughing.

I appreciate you showing it to her! I always like to think of the hypothetical first-time viewer when making certain edits, so it’s great to get that perspective.

And that idea is sorta what I have been thinking. Maybe I could slightly scale the shot up so it looks slightly different (or scale up the fireball shot), but as far as the action goes, just have Luke and the AT-AT literally just standing there. At the very least, Luke could step forward a little or something. But the important thing is that the minimal-to-no action might help the audience register what the puppets are. Because in the fireball shot, your eyes just sort of follow the action of the puppets, rather than focusing on the puppets themselves. If that makes sense.

And I’ll also make it clearer that Rey is reacting to hearing “Skywalker”.

Yeah, keeping the wide shot on the introduction to the puppets and then zooming in on the fireball shot would be the logical way of doing it.

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NeverarGreat said:

RogueLeader said:

NeverarGreat said:

I showed the scene to my girlfriend who wasn’t clued-in beforehand, and it took three playthroughs before she figured out what was happening.

So I think we should definitely look at slowing it down a bit, though even if it was unchanged it would still be a dramatic improvement to the film.

NeverarGreat said:

Watching the scene again, I think it would work to simply duplicate the theater shots, and put one after the establishing shot of the children that shows Luke simply facing the AT-AT, then show the closeup of the children looking in rapt attention, then the existing shot of Luke deflecting the fire followed by the children laughing.

I appreciate you showing it to her! I always like to think of the hypothetical first-time viewer when making certain edits, so it’s great to get that perspective.

And that idea is sorta what I have been thinking. Maybe I could slightly scale the shot up so it looks slightly different (or scale up the fireball shot), but as far as the action goes, just have Luke and the AT-AT literally just standing there. At the very least, Luke could step forward a little or something. But the important thing is that the minimal-to-no action might help the audience register what the puppets are. Because in the fireball shot, your eyes just sort of follow the action of the puppets, rather than focusing on the puppets themselves. If that makes sense.

And I’ll also make it clearer that Rey is reacting to hearing “Skywalker”.

Yeah, keeping the wide shot on the introduction to the puppets and then zooming in on the fireball shot would be the logical way of doing it.

Makes sense. For the record, I think where “Skywalker” is placed now is fine. Seems like she recognizes it on sight before she hears the name. But could work placed earlier too.

Hopefully you have the 4K footage of the scene to work with RL, would definitely make your life easier.

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sherlockpotter said:

So this is a really bad example of a potential way to clarify everything. Stretches the scene, and makes the Last Jedi callback more overt. Doing it successfully would depend on A) The resolution of the stage clean plate. (Here, I zoomed in on a 4K source, but if the clean plate is only 1080p already, it would probably look too fuzzy.) And B) How much more RogueLeader wants to suffer for his craft in terms of doing more puppetry. (In no way am I saying you “have” to do this, RL.)

Welcome to the Star Wars fandom, ladies and gentlemen. Today, we play with puppets.

(I’m pretty sure the general idea originally was suggested by someone else. I can’t remember who, but I don’t think I’m clever enough to have thought of this on my own.)

https://streamable.com/gnkec6

I just had the biggest smile on my face watching that. This scene is really going to be something special.

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TestingOutTheTest said:

As someone who does like TRoS, I just feel like some changes miss the original executed meaning of specific things/plot points/whatever and/or undermine those.

I wasn’t gonna say this because the thread’s already moved on, but there are a few other people who are mentioning this so…

Dude you really need to chill. It seems like any creative thread that mentions TRoS gets derailed by you trying to argue about the movie.

This isn’t the TRoS Argument thread, if you were looking for that, it’s [here]. Or try any of the number of TRoS opinion posts you yourself have made. None of the threads in the Fanedits section or the Scripts section are TRoS argument threads either, these people are trying to create their own stuff and all you’re doing is telling them they can’t. If you want to give constructive advice or criticism, something to actually improve their project, give them constructive advice. “You’re wrong and bad just for making a TRoS-related project” is not constructive criticism. If you disagree with their project wholesale, don’t open the god damn thread.

It’s no different from the people who hate the sequel trilogy wholesale but bitch about it all day long on the internet, just don’t watch them and move on with your life.

It’s not like these fanedits are going to replace TRoS. If you don’t like the creative choices being made, this fanedit is not for you. Just like how if someone hates the creative choices made in TRoS, that movie is not for them. Don’t watch it.

Not to link to the same thing twice, but it kinda sucks that the first comment on this thread, a script for an alternate Episode 9, is always going to be that. Yes, I know you apologized in that thread, but has your behavior changed, literally at all? No.

Anyway, something that actually contributes to this thread: RL’s puppet show is absolutely amazing. I’m genuinely surprised that fanediting has come so far that something like this is not only feasible, but has been done. Fucking great job, dude.

NeverarGreat said:

I showed the scene to my girlfriend who wasn’t clued-in beforehand, and it took three playthroughs before she figured out what was happening.

So I think we should definitely look at slowing it down a bit, though even if it was unchanged it would still be a dramatic improvement to the film.

TBH, I think it kind of works best as is, being quick. It’s something small that gives more life to the movie and more cohesion to the trilogy, but doesn’t really need to be dwelled on.

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The plate I used to was from poppasketti, and it was just 1080p I think.

It would be great if the plate was 4K, but I feel like it probably would’ve been a pain to clean, and there wasn’t an expectation to crop the shot initially.

There is an effect on After Effects called Detail-Preserving Upscale, so I’m hoping I could potentially crop the shot for a second zoomed-in shot, without it looking super noticeable.

Also, for the the OTS shot of Rey looking at the children and the puppet show, I just zoomed in to not show the stage from an angle. Trying to do anything with the stage from that angle was a pain in the ass. It would be nice to get a 4K source for that shot, at least, but I might be able to use the previous mentioned effect to help maintain its quality as well.

And you might be right, Sparky. At the very least I might screw around with the two shots idea and see if it works or not.

And thanks for all the responses, everyone! I appreciate all of the feedback and the compliments.

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It’s so weird and wild seeing my puppet designs actually fabricated, put into motion, and put into the movie. I feel like I got to do the fun bit and RL did the hard work. I’m absolutely floored by the result, and I’m very proud to be part of it all.

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RogueLeader said:

The plate I used to was from poppasketti, and it was just 1080p I think.

It would be great if the plate was 4K, but I feel like it probably would’ve been a pain to clean, and there wasn’t an expectation to crop the shot initially.

There is an effect on After Effects called Detail-Preserving Upscale, so I’m hoping I could potentially crop the shot for a second zoomed-in shot, without it looking super noticeable.

Also, for the the OTS shot of Rey looking at the children and the puppet show, I just zoomed in to not show the stage from an angle. Trying to do anything with the stage from that angle was a pain in the ass. It would be nice to get a 4K source for that shot, at least, but I might be able to use the previous mentioned effect to help maintain its quality as well.

And you might be right, Sparky. At the very least I might screw around with the two shots idea and see if it works or not.

And thanks for all the responses, everyone! I appreciate all of the feedback and the compliments.

A one shot alternative might be slowing down the plate as much as possible before it looks weird, they laying the puppet show in. If we could see it for even just a few more frames it could help registering what’s going on more.